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SHAFTR

#225
May 08, 2004, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: mutinycoAt least it's not a shot from his mid-90s nude phase in every movie...



go ahead and delete this post, I couldn't resist though.
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Chest Rockwell

#226
May 09, 2004, 04:15:32 AM
I can't see the image... :oops:

cine

#227
May 09, 2004, 06:49:58 AM
It's from a site called "gaysitez" so why do you still care?

SHAFTR

#228
May 09, 2004, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: CinephileIt's from a site called "gaysitez" so why do you still care?

haha, it is.  I just google image searched it.
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mutinyco

#229
May 10, 2004, 12:28:16 AM
Somehow, the word "google" should never be used in conjunction with Harvey Keitel being naked...
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The Disco Kid

#230
May 10, 2004, 01:34:43 AM
I just watched this one.

Yeah, it was powerful, but that's because its an explicit dramatization of a very real event that is still pretty raw in our consciousness and continues to have a very powerful effect on all of us. I really dont know what compelled Van Sant to make this seeing as he basically pulled the script from real-life accounts and had nothing to say that we didnt already know. That whole This-Is-Beyond-Our-Understanding bit is a bullshit cop-out.

I sort of felt a bit dirty after watching this, its' pretty much exploitation. It should go right to the top of the Columbine-exploitation heap already stacked about a mile high by the media, politicians, talk show hosts, and Micheal Moore, among others.

And the acting was absolutely HORRID.

Sleuth

#231
May 10, 2004, 01:45:50 AM
I don't think it's saying "this is beyond our understanding."  Who said that?
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coffeebeetle

#232
May 10, 2004, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: The Disco KidI just watched this one.

Yeah, it was powerful, but that's because its an explicit dramatization of a very real event that is still pretty raw in our consciousness and continues to have a very powerful effect on all of us. I really dont know what compelled Van Sant to make this seeing as he basically pulled the script from real-life accounts and had nothing to say that we didnt already know. That whole This-Is-Beyond-Our-Understanding bit is a bullshit cop-out.

I sort of felt a bit dirty after watching this, its' pretty much exploitation. It should go right to the top of the Columbine-exploitation heap already stacked about a mile high by the media, politicians, talk show hosts, and Micheal Moore, among others.

And the acting was absolutely HORRID.

I thought the acting was fine, considering he didn't use real actors.  :roll:
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The Disco Kid

#233
May 10, 2004, 01:03:50 PM
QuoteI thought the acting was fine, considering he didn't use real actors.

Oh, they weren't REAL actors? They must've been fake ones then? Regardless, they had to be some sort of actors because they certainly weren't really shooting and being shot to death by high powered assault weapons. Yes, they most definitely were actors and, yes,  they most definitely were lousy.

What you said is sort of like saying, 'I thought the acting sucked, but it was great considering they were really sucky actors'.

soixante

#234
May 10, 2004, 01:12:41 PM
I think the acting in Elephant was great -- the teenagers that Van Sant used all played within their range.  Nobody gave a melodramatic speech, there were no operatic hystrionics.  Everything felt like found behavior, not staged behavior.

Bresson and Italian neo-realistism directors made use of non-actors, who can lend more reality to a film if they are used properly.  Van Sant is working in that tradition.
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#235
May 10, 2004, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: soixanteBresson and Italian neo-realistism directors made use of non-actors, who can lend more reality to a film if they are used properly.  Van Sant is working in that tradition.
And the Germans before them, in the 20s, 30s, etc.

There's nothing pretentious or revolutionary about the acting in this movie... it was just the right choice.

And it's especially impressive in the really long shots... it's not like they're cutting together from multiple takes and smoothly editing conversations for tone and pacing. I never thought for one second that they weren't professional actors.

SoNowThen

#236
May 10, 2004, 01:28:10 PM
^

Yeah, agreed. It gained its power from the fact that it seemed we were spying on everyday kids in an (at first) everyday situation. The casting of these particular kids is akin to using hand-held video to show immediacy, except that in this case imo the former worked much better than the latter would have.

Plus it helps that he picked two kids that expressed interest in actually wanting to shoot classmates, and it showed in their faces. I don't really think you could "act" that.
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cine

#237
May 10, 2004, 01:28:49 PM
Did I miss something? What was wrong with the actors?

Pubrick

#238
May 10, 2004, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: CinephileDid I miss something? What was wrong with the actors?
they were too brilliant.

especially the dorky chick.
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mutinyco

#239
May 10, 2004, 02:16:39 PM
She wasn't acting.
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