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mutinyco

#210
May 07, 2004, 12:14:56 AM
Yes, everything I do is preplanned. In fact, I knew you were going to ask if it were preplanned. The site is a ghost, anyhow, so it's not like I'm trying to build a new audience. But self-promotion never hurts.  :shock:
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe

El Duderino

#211
May 07, 2004, 01:54:01 AM
i just finished watching it and noticed that in the classroom scene when they're talking about how to spot a gay person, a lot of the people look in the camera. that is all.
Did I just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget?

mutinyco

#212
May 07, 2004, 10:12:23 AM
The scene is about how you can't tell who someone is by their appearance. Notice one kid who looks straight-up like he'll be one of the killers. But isn't.
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe

soixante

#213
May 08, 2004, 04:49:07 PM
Elephant felt like a Kubrick film, with its endless tracking shots of characters walking down corridors.  It was as if Kubrick had directed Carrie.

The film shows the thin line between geniuses and psychopaths.  The main killer plays Beethoven on the piano and quotes Shakespeare, and has artistic talent (when he's hit with the spitball, he is drawing something on a sketchpad).
Music is your best entertainment value.

Jeremy Blackman

#214
May 08, 2004, 04:57:51 PM
BIG NASTY SPOILERS

The best moment of the movie is when the photographer photographs them as they enter the library. I think I cried. The second best is probably the bolemic bathroom moment.

SoNowThen

#215
May 08, 2004, 04:59:04 PM
I watched this again last night.

It would've easily been my favorite movie of last year if it would have not included the classroom circle-discussion and the 3 girls puking. I realized how very much I hate those scenes. But GVS took a lot of crazy chances, some worked out, some didn't, but they're totally forgivable given the product as a whole.

I just love Love LOVE the pacing. This is one movie I'd give almost anything to see all the uncut footage, just to see how he went about (minimally-approaching-nonexistently) "covering" scenes.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

mutinyco

#216
May 08, 2004, 06:08:42 PM
Nothing was pre-planned. They figured it out each day on the set.
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe

SoNowThen

#217
May 08, 2004, 08:39:16 PM
I figured that, but I mean: what do his trim bins look like?

It's just that it was so minimal, yet never once got in-your-face stylized, like a Tarkovsky scene, where the coverage is scant. I love that too, but for this movie it needed a form that was minimal while still keeping it's little toe in the shallow end of natural. The framing and the editing... damn...!!

But I guess it also comes back to what P said before, letting the sound take over as a driving force.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

El Duderino

#218
May 08, 2004, 08:51:23 PM
*SPOILERS*

probably the scene that took me by surprise was when they enter the library (yes, that was great camerawork) when Elias takes their picture and then they shoot the girl. that right there, i literally jumped in my seat. this movie has some sequences that are scarier that Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

SoNowThen, what's your beef with the classrom circle discussion and the 3 girls puking scenes? that shit really goes on and i think GVS wanted to show that.

oh, and that documentary on the DVD sucks.
Did I just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget?

NEON MERCURY

#219
May 08, 2004, 08:53:28 PM
quasi-spoilerr..maybe..



but after watching this a few more times..i think my favorite moment..would be when the geeky chic walks into the gym...mainly it s the gym  ..it looks phucking beautiul....i guess i can relate b/c  at my high school i would walk across empty gyms also.and when i saw that it evoked somethign out of me............oh well....

SoNowThen

#220
May 08, 2004, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
SoNowThen, what's your beef with the classrom circle discussion and the 3 girls puking scenes? that shit really goes on and i think GVS wanted to show that.

I think I may have touched on it before, but here goes:

those are the only two scenes where I feel like the director totally took over and bashed us over the fucking head. The rest of the movie felt like a mosaic and a group contribution, whereas whith those two scenes something broke for me in the magic. The discussion I think because of two things, one, maybe school changed in the 5 years since I've been out, but we never pushed the desks aside and had a circle talk like a fuggin AA group. Also, I found it odd that all the viewpoints of the kids were strikingly similar, no one argued or anything. Not my experience when discussing topics in class. As for the puking, I dunno, it was such a cheap shot in the worst possible way, what did it tell me about the girls that I didn't get from the marvellous previous scene in the lunchroom? To have all three do it at the same time seemed like screwball comedy, imo.

These are very minor things though. I really do love this flick. Like I said, he went for broke with every single moment, so it's only natural that some just don't work for me.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

El Duderino

#221
May 08, 2004, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen

These are very minor things though. I really do love this flick. Like I said, he went for broke with every single moment, so it's only natural that some just don't work for me.

understood
Did I just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget?

Chest Rockwell

#222
May 08, 2004, 09:13:47 PM
Both of you have Harvey Keitel in your avatars.

El Duderino

#223
May 08, 2004, 09:21:26 PM
we know
Did I just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget?

mutinyco

#224
May 08, 2004, 10:01:30 PM
At least it's not a shot from his mid-90s nude phase in every movie...
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe
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