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SoNowThen

#135
December 04, 2003, 03:16:00 PM
I think muty meant that by giving us pure subjectivity of ALL the main characters (through the shooting and sound mainly, as you mentioned), we get an all-encompassing objectivity so as to not really have the filmmaker side with one character or the other, but we get the same presentation for all...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

RegularKarate

#136
December 04, 2003, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: peteI mean everything is shot with extremely shallow depth of field, that doesn't seem like distance to me.

Good way to achieve a shallow depth of field is to get the camera set at a far distance and zoom in.

pete

#137
December 04, 2003, 03:43:50 PM
that's the camera's distance, zooming in until the subject fills the frame is called a "close up".
"Tragedy is a close-up; comedy, a long shot."
- Buster Keaton

SoNowThen

#138
December 04, 2003, 03:45:00 PM
.... Kubrick did a lot of those   :)
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

pete

#139
December 04, 2003, 03:47:35 PM
...kubrick's mocked a lot of his subjects via those.
"Tragedy is a close-up; comedy, a long shot."
- Buster Keaton

RegularKarate

#140
December 04, 2003, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: petethat's the camera's distance, zooming in until the subject fills the frame is called a "close up".

Touche

aclockworkjj

#141
December 04, 2003, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: RegularKarateGood way to achieve a shallow depth of field is to get the camera set at a far distance and zoom in.
or making sure you are wide open...always....

pete

#142
December 04, 2003, 04:13:58 PM
let's not forget low light.
"Tragedy is a close-up; comedy, a long shot."
- Buster Keaton

SoNowThen

#143
December 04, 2003, 04:16:37 PM
and slow lenses
and fast stocks
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

RegularKarate

#144
December 04, 2003, 04:17:20 PM
Yeah, but the main reason for low light is so you can shoot wide open (beavers)

modage

#145
December 04, 2003, 04:23:15 PM
...or to keep the electric bill down.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

Pwaybloe

#146
December 09, 2003, 09:14:19 PM
I just got back.  Pretty powerful stuff.  I really hope high school kids will watch this when it comes on DVD, because they sure ain't in the theater.

Anyway, I loved the Altman inspired scene in the school office.  Overlapping dialogue, moving camera from conversation to conversation...  Great stuff.

ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ

#147
December 09, 2003, 09:48:23 PM
Mac (or anyone for that matter) if you ever find out the release date of Elephant on DVD please either post it here or PM it to me...

I have to see this movie...
"As a matter of fact I only work with the feeling of something magical, something seemingly significant. And to keep it magical I don't want to know the story involved, I just want the hypnotic effect of it somehow seeming significant without knowing why." - Len Lye

smash

#148
December 09, 2003, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: aClockworkWalrusMac (or anyone for that matter) if you ever find out the release date of Elephant on DVD please either post it here or PM it to me...

I have to see this movie...

Same here...disappointing not even having the option to see this play in theaters...

mutinyco

#149
December 10, 2003, 10:03:44 AM
It's an HBO movie. So eventually it'll be on TV.

SoNowThen: It's fast lenses and fast stocks... They used Vision 500T on Elephant. Not your typical stock for a film like this.
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-St. Joe
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