Licorice Pizza - Speculation & General Reactions

[Shughes]

I agree with frustrating. But not sloppy. In fact I think this play has worked and is helping to build anticipation and word of mouth.

It's refreshing not to get something when we expect it. The only issue I can see is people not being able to control their expectations for the way things "should" happen. None of us deserve anything. I'll gratefully receive it when it comes.

(That being said I hope the trailer drops online soon too).

[Drenk]

Well Phantom Thread premiered in NY on Nov 26, same as LP will be. Trailer didn't drop until October 23.....

....but maybe it wasn't ready? They were in post up til the last minute from what I understand.

Yeah. They started shooting in January, very tight schedule.

[kingfan011]

Well Phantom Thread premiered in NY on Nov 26, same as LP will be. Trailer didn't drop until October 23.....

....but maybe it wasn't ready? They were in post up til the last minute from what I understand.

Yes this is true. There was no completed Thread that they could show film festivals months in advance. It was being finished till the last minute.

[Yes]

Well Phantom Thread premiered in NY on Nov 26, same as LP will be. Trailer didn't drop until October 23.....

....but maybe it wasn't ready? They were in post up til the last minute from what I understand.

That is different, though. Phantom Thread had official release on Christmas. Licorice Pizza's official release is Nov 26. Phantom Thread just did early screenings the 26th

I'd expect Licorice Pizza to do screenings and premieres in October

[Lots of Bees]

Apparently alana haim just reactivated her instagram account for the first time in a while.

Good sign for tomorrow??

[Alethia]

Well Phantom Thread premiered in NY on Nov 26, same as LP will be. Trailer didn't drop until October 23.....

....but maybe it wasn't ready? They were in post up til the last minute from what I understand.

That is different, though. Phantom Thread had official release on Christmas. Licorice Pizza's official release is Nov 26. Phantom Thread just did early screenings the 26th

I'd expect Licorice Pizza to do screenings and premieres in October

Oh I was under the impression LP was set for limited release Nov 26, wide Dec 25, like Phantom. Oops.

This makes me feel somewhat more hopeful 

[itwasgood]

Apparently alana haim just reactivated her instagram account for the first time in a while.

Good sign for tomorrow??

Hopefully! Or at least sometime this week.

[pynchonikon]

Since we're all speculating anyway...

Is There Life on Mars was released as a UK Single in June of 1973.  It's previously been established (by us) that our film probably opens in '73 (gas lines). 

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From this article, musing on the story of the song,

Life on Mars serves as the 1970s counterpart to She's Leaving Home by The Beatles in that both songs are, at their heart, about a lost child at odds with her surroundings and disconnected from her family.

The girl, bored at home, abandoned by friends, and unable to focus on the film, feels out of place. She is not at home in her current condition and has reached the exasperated point of, "maybe I'll just move to Mars and get away from these people."

Taking this view of the song, it is suddenly taken away from being a sci-fi fantasy and is a straight-forward song about teenage angst and the desire to fit in.

...the song is telling a story of a girl, obsessed with film and media and pop culture, who no longer sees herself reflected in the media she loves to consume. She has been alienated from her family, her friends, and now, through the lens of media, the rest of the world but she, ultimately, conforms to what she sees on screen. The girl, by this interpretation, goes from consumer to creator and sacrifices her own self in order to ultimately fit in.

While often considered a science fiction song in the style of Space Odity, Life on Mars is more like a character portrait from a Kinks album. We have a lost soul who doesn't see art imitating her life so she decides her life should imitate the art so that she feels a place of belonging. Taken at this value, the song isn't surreal at all and is just simple concept, told with simple words, over a beautiful melody.

Am I overreaching, here?  Sure.  Probably.  But...   

Tbh I wondered too why Paul would choose such a famous and recognizable rock song for the trailer (not exactly his usual thing), I have no idea how spot-on you are, Wilbe, but you might indeed be into something:

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Bowie, at the time of Hunky Dory's release in 1971, summed up the song as "A sensitive young girl's reaction to the media." In 1997, he added: "I think she finds herself disappointed with reality... that although she's living in the doldrums of reality, she's being told that there's a far greater life somewhere, and she's bitterly disappointed that she doesn't have access to it."

Source: The Complete David Bowie by Nicholas Pegg (2011).

I also found this funny trivia in Wiki:

In 1974, Barbra Streisand released a version of the song on her album ButterFly. In a 1976 Playboy interview, Bowie was asked what he thought of her cover: "Bloody awful. Sorry, Barb, but it was atrocious."

[Montclair]

I feel sorry for Cooper Hoffman. Everybody will be automatically comparing him to one of the greatest actors of all time, his father. And, the first time the world sees him act in anything, it's Paul Thomas Anderson's first film in 4 years. Also, the media will be bringing up his dad's overdose anytime he does press for the film. He's under an unbelievable amount of pressure.

[HACKANUT]

I feel sorry for Cooper Hoffman. Everybody will be automatically comparing him to one of the greatest actors of all time, his father. And, the first time the world sees him act in anything, it's Paul Thomas Anderson's first film in 4 years. Also, the media will be bringing up his dad's overdose anytime he does press for the film. He's under an unbelievable amount of pressure.

I see what you're saying,  but I very much look at this whole film as a celebration of the magic that attracted PTA and PSH to each other in the first place.
I can't pretend to know what Cooper is feeling about all this, but maybe there's a closeness to his father that he can attain here.
I hope so, at least.

[DAPPLE]

Since we're all speculating anyway...

Is There Life on Mars was released as a UK Single in June of 1973.  It's previously been established (by us) that our film probably opens in '73 (gas lines). 

Spoiler: ShowHide

From this article, musing on the story of the song,

Life on Mars serves as the 1970s counterpart to She's Leaving Home by The Beatles in that both songs are, at their heart, about a lost child at odds with her surroundings and disconnected from her family.

The girl, bored at home, abandoned by friends, and unable to focus on the film, feels out of place. She is not at home in her current condition and has reached the exasperated point of, "maybe I'll just move to Mars and get away from these people."

Taking this view of the song, it is suddenly taken away from being a sci-fi fantasy and is a straight-forward song about teenage angst and the desire to fit in.

...the song is telling a story of a girl, obsessed with film and media and pop culture, who no longer sees herself reflected in the media she loves to consume. She has been alienated from her family, her friends, and now, through the lens of media, the rest of the world but she, ultimately, conforms to what she sees on screen. The girl, by this interpretation, goes from consumer to creator and sacrifices her own self in order to ultimately fit in.

While often considered a science fiction song in the style of Space Odity, Life on Mars is more like a character portrait from a Kinks album. We have a lost soul who doesn't see art imitating her life so she decides her life should imitate the art so that she feels a place of belonging. Taken at this value, the song isn't surreal at all and is just simple concept, told with simple words, over a beautiful melody.

Am I overreaching, here?  Sure.  Probably.  But...   

Yeah I'd say there's definitely a correlation between the lyrics of the track and the images it's superimposed onto. What if the whole movie is about how real life is even more beautiful and fantastical than what's usually portrayed on the silver screen? (« But the film is a saddening bore; For she's lived it ten times or more »)

[Tdog]

I feel sorry for Cooper Hoffman. Everybody will be automatically comparing him to one of the greatest actors of all time, his father. And, the first time the world sees him act in anything, it's Paul Thomas Anderson's first film in 4 years. Also, the media will be bringing up his dad's overdose anytime he does press for the film. He's under an unbelievable amount of pressure.

I feel for him and Michael.Gandolfini. the good news is they'll have a TON of support from people looking out for them on their respective press tours and careers.

[Robyn]

No PTA fan will put preasure om him. The media will always be assholes tho

[wilberfan]

I also found this funny trivia in Wiki:

In 1974, Barbra Streisand released a version of the song on her album ButterFly. In a 1976 Playboy interview, Bowie was asked what he thought of her cover: "Bloody awful. Sorry, Barb, but it was atrocious."

That's hysterical--especially given our Jon Peters connection! 

[wilberfan]

No PTA fan will put preasure om him. The media will always be assholes tho

Yes, I think both of these are true.  I've had many moments over the last year quietly hoping that Cooper will come thru all of this okay.