Licorice Pizza - Speculation & General Reactions

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wilberfan

#2655
September 12, 2021, 03:18:10 PM
Yeah, started as an independent shop in Long Beach by a dude (or dudes) in the late 60s, I think.  By the mid-late 80s it was sold-off to the Sam Goody chain.  I've mentioned in other posts that it felt very "corporate" to me (they had stores everywhere)--which meant I've always had a kind of negative association with the name.  It's what was behind my initial disappointment with the title change from Soggy.

wilberfan

#2656
September 12, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
Since we're all speculating anyway...

Is There Life on Mars was released as a UK Single in June of 1973.  It's previously been established (by us) that our film probably opens in '73 (gas lines). 

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From this article, musing on the story of the song,

QuoteLife on Mars serves as the 1970s counterpart to She's Leaving Home by The Beatles in that both songs are, at their heart, about a lost child at odds with her surroundings and disconnected from her family.

QuoteThe girl, bored at home, abandoned by friends, and unable to focus on the film, feels out of place. She is not at home in her current condition and has reached the exasperated point of, "maybe I'll just move to Mars and get away from these people."

Taking this view of the song, it is suddenly taken away from being a sci-fi fantasy and is a straight-forward song about teenage angst and the desire to fit in.

Quote...the song is telling a story of a girl, obsessed with film and media and pop culture, who no longer sees herself reflected in the media she loves to consume. She has been alienated from her family, her friends, and now, through the lens of media, the rest of the world but she, ultimately, conforms to what she sees on screen. The girl, by this interpretation, goes from consumer to creator and sacrifices her own self in order to ultimately fit in.

While often considered a science fiction song in the style of Space Odity, Life on Mars is more like a character portrait from a Kinks album. We have a lost soul who doesn't see art imitating her life so she decides her life should imitate the art so that she feels a place of belonging. Taken at this value, the song isn't surreal at all and is just simple concept, told with simple words, over a beautiful melody.


Am I overreaching, here?  Sure.  Probably.  But...   :ponder:

Yes

#2657
September 12, 2021, 04:38:14 PM
Yes, you're overreaching

And I'm still flustered there's been no online leak yet

wilberfan

#2658
September 12, 2021, 04:41:46 PM
I'm not suggesting a literal translation from song to Licorice plot, but maybe

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the teenage, angsty, not-fitting-in part could apply.  It might get the plot going.


Or not.

thehed

#2659
September 12, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Hi I'm new here! Longtime PTA fan. I watched Fast Times last night and noticed a Licorice Pizza in the background of one shot

Lots of Bees

#2660
September 12, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: wilberfan on September 12, 2021, 04:41:46 PM
I'm not suggesting a literal translation from song to Licorice plot, but maybe

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the teenage, angsty, not-fitting-in part could apply.  It might get the plot going.


Or not.

I don't think you're overreaching. PTA uses songs for that kind of effect all the time - even in simple ways like how "Get Thee Behind Me Satan" and "Changing Partners" are pretty direct translations of Freddie's journey in The Master (even if you'd never be able to predict exactly how from hearing the songs alone).


Also - I've always had a theory that the song playing on Dodd's boat in the long tracking shot where Freddie comes aboard sounds a lot like the Willy Wonka theme, almost luring Freddie in  - "come with meeeee... and we'll beeeee..." but THAT is almost definitely overreaching. I just like thinking about that stuff either way.

Jeremy Blackman

#2661
September 12, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: thehed on September 12, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Hi I'm new here! Longtime PTA fan. I watched Fast Times last night and noticed a Licorice Pizza in the background of one shot

Welcome!

Montclair

#2662
September 12, 2021, 06:17:41 PM
Quote from: thehed on September 12, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Hi I'm new here! Longtime PTA fan. I watched Fast Times last night and noticed a Licorice Pizza in the background of one shot

Lots of Bees

#2663
September 12, 2021, 07:13:42 PM
^^

Drenk

#2664
September 12, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
Why would they stop showing the trailer after it drops online?
Ascension.

Yes

#2665
September 12, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
Did the trailer have the MGM logo?

wilberfan

#2666
September 12, 2021, 07:38:57 PM
It sure the fuck did!  8-)

Montclair

#2667
September 12, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
I'm still not expecting to see the trailer online tomorrow. The marketing for this movie has been nothing but sloppy and frustrating so far.

Yes

#2668
September 12, 2021, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: Montclair on September 12, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
I'm still not expecting to see the trailer online tomorrow. The marketing for this movie has been nothing but sloppy and frustrating so far.

Sloppy, not really. Frustrating, yeah. But this is no different from any PTA marketing.

Alethia

#2669
September 12, 2021, 08:20:46 PM
Well Phantom Thread premiered in NY on Nov 26, same as LP will be. Trailer didn't drop until October 23.....

....but maybe it wasn't ready? They were in post up til the last minute from what I understand.
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