Fahrenheit 9/11

Started by Gold Trumpet, April 01, 2003, 09:21:36 AM

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Jeremy Blackman

Yes, if you're going to make an attack like that on national TV describing a specific scene in the movie, try actually seeing the movie first.

modage

i agree, he should've seen the movie first, but still... he wasnt wrong was he?
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

Sleuth

I'm tired of all of these directors looking like depressed sasquatches
I like to hug dogs

Jeremy Blackman

Quote from: themodernage02i agree, he should've seen the movie first, but still... he wasnt wrong was he?
I definitely think he was wrong, and he would probably be embarassed to discover the tonal context of that scene. It's classic Moore hyperbole, exactly like the NRA/KKK connection in Bowling for Columbine, and his reaction to the McCain remark, "I now know what the Christians probably felt like walking into the Colosseum."

I mean... do you remember the scene? With the kid flying the kite? And the reflection in the pond?

It's probably the most complicated, subtle, ambiguous scene in the movie, but I guess it failed.

cine

Quote from: MacGuffinMcCain, a booked guest on the show, later shot back, "I admire his skills as a movie maker and certainly admire his success at making money.

Jeremy Blackman

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Quote from: Chest RockwellOnce you see Outfoxed do make sure to give us your opinion. I was thinking of buying it.
The editing was average. Every single graphic was obnoxious and distracting. There's one scene with a vertical wipe that slides across this guy's face to avoid a jump cut... I had no idea what it was at first... some kind of wobbly public access level iMovie effect.
I finally discovered what that wipe is. It's "jaws wipe" in Final Cut Pro. The most silly thing you could possibly use.

MacGuffin

Moore to Pursue Best Picture Oscar

Michael Moore says he won't submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration as best documentary at this year's Academy Awards. Instead, he's going for the bigger prize of best picture.

Moore's critically acclaimed film slams President Bush's war on terror as ill-advised and corrupt. The movie has cheered Democrats but enraged the president's supporters, who booed Moore when he visited the Republican National Convention last week.

"For me the real Oscar would be Bush's defeat on Nov. 2," Moore told The Associated Press during a phone interview Monday from New York.

The $6 million film has become a sensation that collected $117.3 million in the United States this summer, despite an early roadblock when the Walt Disney Co. banned its Miramax Films division from distributing the political hot-potato.

In the midst of the presidential campaign, Moore's announcement is a strategic move for his Oscar campaign. Documentaries and animated films have their own categories, but the conventional wisdom in Hollywood is that those niche awards can limit a film's appeal in the overall best picture class.

Moore said he and his producing partner, Harvey Weinstein, agreed "Fahrenheit 9/11" would stand a better chance if they focused solely on the top Oscar.

He also said he wanted to be "supportive of my teammates in nonfiction film."

So many documentaries such as the gonzo fast-food satire "Super Size Me" and the sober look at Arab television news in "Control Room" have made the rounds in theaters recently that Moore, who won the best documentary Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine," said he wanted to give others a chance.

"It's not that I want to be disrespectful and say I don't ever want to win a (documentary) Oscar again," Moore said. "This just seems like the right thing to do. ... I don't want to take away from the other nominees and the attention that they richly deserve."

Moore also hinted in a recent interview in Rolling Stone he would like the movie to play on television before the presidential election. According to the rules of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, playing on TV would invalidate its contention in the documentary category, but not for best picture. With the movie coming out on DVD Oct. 5, it's not clear whether the TV deal would happen.

Regardless of who wins the election, Moore said the movie's presence at the Academy Awards in February will provide another forum for Americans to think about its message.

"The issues in the film terrorism, the war on terrorism, the Iraq war will be with us five months from now, sadly," Moore said. "The issues that the film raises will be no less relevant, in the new year."
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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hedwig

I like the whole "give the other Oscars a chance" thing (it sounds arrogant but it's really kind of generous) but on the other hand I don't really know what to think of this.

MacGuffin

Times Won't Reprint Article for New Book

The New York Times will not permit Michael Moore to include an article criticizing its own reporting for an upcoming companion book to the DVD release of the filmmaker's "Fahrenheit 9-11."

"We strongly value The Times's neutrality in its election coverage and we are determined not to associate ourselves with any work in film or print that attacks either candidate," New York Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis said in a statement released Thursday.

Moore's "The Official `Fahrenheit 9-11' Reader" is scheduled to come out next month in conjunction with the DVD release of "Fahrenheit 9-11," Moore's take on President Bush, the Iraq war and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The movie, which relentlessly criticizes and ridicules the president, has earned more than $100 million at the box office, a record for a documentary.

The Times article, published in May, was a self-analysis of the newspaper's pre-Iraq war reporting, including Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

"In some cases, information that was controversial then, and seems questionable now, was insufficiently qualified or allowed to stand unchallenged," according to the article.

Moore's publisher, Simon & Schuster, said several other publications granted Moore permission to use material, including The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. Only the Times refused.

"Michael Moore attracts controversy and this is no exception," David Rosenthal, Simon & Schuster's executive vice president and publisher, said in a statement Friday.

"Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the top honor at the Cannes Film Festival in May, was controversial even before it reached theaters, in July. The movie lost its original distributor when the Walt Disney Co. refused to let subsidiary Miramax Films release it because of its political content.

Miramax chiefs Harvey and Bob Weinstein bought back the film and arranged for independent distribution through Lions Gate Films and IFC Films.
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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mogwai

is there any reports that shows how many people saw this doc on the 11th this saturday?

Fernando

Quote from: mogwaiis there any reports that shows how many people saw this doc on the 11th this saturday?

Here are the estimates of the past weekend and F911 doesn't appear there, I assume it didn't do that great, you should check this link later to see how did the film.

MacGuffin

Fahrenheit 9/11 To Be Reissued

Michael Moore is updating his Fahrenheit 9/11, adding previously deleted scenes, excerpts from testimony before the 9/11 Commission, and other material -- and will reissue it theatrically on Sept. 24, published reports said today (Friday). The reissue is apparently intended to promote the Oct. 5 DVD release, which will also include the additional scenes. Meanwhile, Simon & Schuster, the publisher, said Thursday that the New York Times had refused permission for Moore to include in his upcoming book The Official Fahrenheit 9/11 Reader an article in which the newspaper reviewed its shortcomings in reporting on the events leading up to the war in Iraq. A spokeswoman for the newspaper later said that it is "determined not to associate ourselves with any work in film or print that attacks either candidate."
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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Pedro


modage

Quote from: Pedro the Alpacawhat the fuck is he doing.
making A LOT of money.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

NEON MERCURY

Quote from: Pedro the Alpacawhat the fuck is he doing.

..adding more "special effects" back into his film...