Fahrenheit 9/11

[MacGuffin]

The question, of course, is when in November this book will be published.

According to the Los Angeles Times, a Simon & Schuster spokesperson said, "our goal is to have both books out by election day."

[Vile5]

and at last i could see it!!!!
well i liked it very much but i'm not sure if it really deserved the Golden Palm in Cannes mmmmmm...
The documentary is really good but there is something that in my opinion does not give it much reliability: Moore's voice...i mean, he's not impartial at all BUT i know that's his style and it's tolerable
well after all i guess the most important thing about this film is what it shows not only to American people but the rest of us, my friend and i agreed that night that politicians are the same around the world doesn't really matters where they are from, which language they talk, it's always the same mediocrity, insensitivity, cruelty, everything, and us doing nothing, knowing nothing...and i thought those things were property just of the third world, what a naive i was

[rustinglass]

How does the old texan saying go?

"fool me once....shame on.... shame on you?... if you fool me I can't get fooled again"

It looks like he messed it up, but I don't know how it really goes.

[Thrindle]

How does the old texan saying go?

"fool me once....shame on.... shame on you?... if you fool me I can't get fooled again"

It looks like he messed it up, but I don't know how it really goes.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Yes, it really is that simple.

[pete]

How does the old texan saying go?

"fool me once....shame on.... shame on you?... if you fool me I can't get fooled again"

It looks like he messed it up, but I don't know how it really goes.

nah, it was, according to the Daily Show:
"fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on...shame on you.  You see, the fool can't get fooled again."

[Jeremy Blackman]

This reminds me of the pressing question...

Why did he not use The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" as the closing song?

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

[modage]

Michael Moore vs Pete Townshend: Fahrenheit 9/11 director branded a "bully"  
July 14, 2004

Former 'The Who' star and top child pornography researcher, Pete Townshend, has hit out at Michigan-born filmmaker Michael Moore. According to the BBC:

Moore had wanted to use Townshend's song Won't Get Fooled Again on the soundtrack to his anti-Iraq war film Fahrenheit 9/11. After Townshend refused, the guitarist, 59, claims Moore accused him of being in favour of the war.
Townshend has posted an entry in the Pete's Diaries section of his website, in which he claims that Moore's accusations "distort the truth":

He says – among other things – that I refused to allow him to use my song WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN in his latest film, because I support the war, and that at the last minute I recanted, but he turned me down. I have never hidden the fact that at the beginning of the war in Iraq I was a supporter. But now, like millions of others, I am less sure we did the right thing.
There is something of the Charles Pooter about Pete Townshend. He always seems to be bumbling into things, upsetting people, apologizing, getting arrested, apologizing again. And that is a brilliantly Pooterish sentence: "But now... I am less sure we did the right thing" - as if he's just looked around, seen the tumbleweed, and realised he'd hitched his waggon to the wrong horse.

Pete has carved a peculiarly Pooterish character for himself by suggesting that, whilst being desperately keen to help anti-child-pornography charities, he is unable to because of the bad publicity brought about by his arrest over the "research"...


Every time it occurs to me to say something about what is going on I remind myself what happened to me this year: I was arrested, suspected of wallowing in the very shit that most upset me. It sent me a clear and loud message. I must learn to keep silent and focus my energies elsewhere.

One of Pete's most Pooterish traits is that very often (usually in the context of an apology or a clarification of some misunderstood stance) he goes into rather too much detail, slightly over-explaining his actions or his thought processes, for example:


Once I had an idea what the film was about I was 90% certain my song was not right for them.... I suggested in the email that they might use something by Neil Young, who I knew had written several songs of a more precise political nature, and is as accessible as I am. Moore himself takes credit for this idea, and I have no idea whether my suggestion reached him, but it was the right thing to do.

It's always worth keeping an eye on Townshend's site to see what new thing he's clarifying or (apologizing for), e.g.

I am sorry this stuff keeps rearing its ugly head. Jimi Hendrix, Peter Meadon, Kit Lambert, Keith Moon, the Cincinnati Eleven, John Entwistle. I suppose we have to accept that everyone has to die in the end, but in every one of the cases above I have at some point said things in pain that I have later regretted.
And on the subject of saying stupid things, this is his closing sentiment about Michael Moore:


I wish him all the best with the movie, which I know is popular, and which I still haven't seen. But he'll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.

Except of course when the man with the guitar isn't able to change the world because of all the negative publicity that surrounds him, so he just has to sit on his yacht and grind his teeth...

[Jeremy Blackman]

Ah.

[Chest Rockwell]

What was the point of that article?

[Pubrick]

What was the point of that article?

to remind ppl that pete townshend is still alive.

[Ravi]

top child pornography researcher, Pete Townshend

This makes it look like he looks at a lot of child porn.

[Pedro]

top child pornography researcher, Pete Townshend

This makes it look like he looks at a lot of child porn.

well, he kinda did..

[cron]

I just watched this film and still have a knot in my  throat. Regardless on anyone's opinions even Michael Moore's,  fuck you/them, i have to say that snuff films and the war on irak are the two worst things i've been a witness of, and i've seen shit . I haven't been in Irak,  but I intended to, in December 2002, back when it was a possibility, and it was just a 4 hour away drive from where i lived.

 I won't say much about this film , being that it only has one opinion, which doesn't lets you form any. However , i will say this:

JB, please do not vote for Nader.


I guess this is like beating a dead horse, because the Michael Moore avatars over here are gone. Attention spans are very short these days.

EDIT: I knew i'd regret half of this post two hours later.

[MacGuffin]

Moore Invites McCain To See Movie

Director Michael Moore has offered to take US Senator John McCain to see Fahrenheit 9/11, after the politician slammed his controversial film. At the Republican National Convention on Monday, guest speaker McCain prompted boos against Moore after denouncing the documentary, which attacked American President George W. Bush's handling of the September 11 terrorist attacks. McCain called Moore - who was covering the event at New York's Madison Square Garden for newspaper USA Today - "a disingenuous film-maker who would have us believe that Saddam (Hussein)'s Iraq was an oasis of peace". And Moore made an appearance on comedian David Letterman's chat show Wednesday night, where he encountered more boos - coupled with cheers - and offered to take McCain to the cinema. Moore told Letterman, "He hasn't seen it yet. I'll take him to the movies while he's here in New York. It's just playing down the street and if he doesn't like it, afterwards I'll let him pummel me like you suggested!" McCain, a booked guest on the show, later shot back, "I admire his skills as a movie maker and certainly admire his success at making money. Seems like he could afford a shave and a haircut!"

[ono]

McCain disappoints me.  I thought he was above that kind of thing.