The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou

[kassius]

Watched this in theatre, and seen it twice since I bought the DVD on Tuesday.  At first, the movie was a disapointment but the more I watch it, the more I pick up on it and love it.

I do agree about Bill Murray.  I hope I'm wrong and I hope that he continues to work with Wes Anderson but I get this impression that in Bill's mind the film could have been much more then it was and after making Lost in Translation, he was hoping for the perfect project.

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Lot of rolling of the eyes from Murray, him getting pissed with Wes wanting too many takes, things of that nature.
But I mean, it was a huge shoot under difficult circumstances. People are gonna get frustrated and on each other's nerves in those situations. especially with someone like Wes who sees something good, then wants to perfect it by trying many different ways.
In post interviews, he describes Bill as one of his favorite actors. I'm sure they'll work together again. Hopefully on something smaller.

i love the bit when murray looks to wilson and says something like, shit you just can't do anything right for this guy.  wilson looks at him with approval.  after watching the docu and seeing the way anderson works i've got to say i was surprised how unprofessional he was.  he wasn't a tyrant or having tantrums or something, but he just doesn't know how to talk to actors.

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[Redlum]

Hmm, I think you definately see him directing in the most unfavourable scenes/situations on the DVD. The chopper. Underwater with Seymour Cassel. The 'new shoes' easter egg is just a 2 second shot in the film. What you dont see is how the conversational scenes come to be so well paced and staged. The hot air balloon scene for example. The cutting remarks and to the point dialogue in his last three films require a great understanding of/instinct for timing to work as well as they do.

[Pozer]

Have you watched the easter egg on Disc 1? There's a four minute plus take of Murray trying on the shoes with Wes shouting different directions to him.

Where is this?

[MacGuffin]

Have you watched the easter egg on Disc 1? There's a four minute plus take of Murray trying on the shoes with Wes shouting different directions to him.

Where is this?

From the Main Menu, the arrow will start on PLAY THE MOVIE, Arrow Left will take you to Subtitles. Arrow Up to "STARZ ON THE SET." Arrow Up again and the arrow will appear on the ship. Press Play.

[Pozer]

thank you, my friend.

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Lot of rolling of the eyes from Murray, him getting pissed with Wes wanting too many takes, things of that nature.

I remember Bill Murray saying how every take he'd say things differently, and then at the end, Wes would tell him what he liked the most, and they'd do it again, with Bill piecing Wes' favorite parts together.

I was listening to it, and wasn't watching it, so I could've been missing some body language.

[Pozer]

yeah, that stuff must have been toward the beginning of the massive shoot. that shite would get really old after a while.
finally watched the easter egg and i know wes is a perfectionist times two and all, but come on, that many takes for that two second shot of him trying on the shoes. to me, this shows signs of bad directing- wasting all that time and energy for that one little spot. that had to be toward the beginning of production cause bill wasn't as annoyed then, but i can now easily see why he would get fed up with his antics.

[RegularKarate]

come on, that many takes for that two second shot of him trying on the shoes. to me, this shows signs of bad directing- wasting all that time and energy for that one little spot. that had to be toward the beginning of production cause bill wasn't as annoyed then, but i can now easily see why he would get fed up with his antics.

I'm sorry, but I don't really think you know what you're talking about.

That was just one mag they shot for that.  You want it to be funny so you try a few different things, it wasn't really that long considering that shooting one scene often takes a lot longer and they did it all in one take.  It's not like he's Kubrick or anything.

[Pozer]

dude, it was annoying.

[RegularKarate]

dude, it was annoying.

Welcome to the world of filmmaking.  

I hope you're not an actor.

[Pozer]

haha. no, i was just saying i could see why tensions would run so high with a guy like wes at the helm. i should not have used the term bad directing though. you're right, it does take a lot to pull off a comedy bit like that.

[grand theft sparrow]

I have mixed feelings on this article.  

http://www.slate.com/id/2123292/


The O Factor
Was Owen Wilson the key to the Wes Anderson phenomenon?
By Field Maloney
Posted Tuesday, July 26, 2005, at 3:15 AM PT


Is Wes less without Wilson?


Once upon a time, a young filmmaker from Houston, Texas, put together a yellow submarine of sorts—an enclosed cinematic world with a style and affect that was entirely his own, peopled with his friends and screen heroes. USS Wes Anderson delivered a couple of films that were small-scale but brilliant in a modest, eccentric way. They had what fiction writers call "voice"—a coherent and distinct cinematic language and sensibility. Anderson seemed poised to become the next major American director. Certainly, the eyes and hopes of a generation of sneaker-wearing, thrift-shop dandies, young men and women who cultivate affectlessness but have sentimental hearts, were fixed fast upon Anderson and his merry band.

True, USS Anderson had some nagging tics, and each film seemed more enclosed in the storybook boundaries of Anderson's fantasy world than the one before. After being rescued by Gene Hackman's performance in The Royal Tenenbaums, USS Anderson finally ran aground last winter, with The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou. Rather than develop as a storyteller, Anderson appeared to have floated off to an adolescent never-never land where everyone wears Lacoste, colorful and quirky toys abound, and a vintage emo soundtrack gets piped in whenever a little poignancy is required—a Michael Jackson ranch for the Salinger set.

The disappointment was widespread, yet the critics at the major papers and the hipster blogs all overlooked one important fact: The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou was the first Wes Anderson film in which Owen Wilson didn't share the writing chores. What if Owen Wilson, America's resident goofy roué with the broken nose and the lazy nasal drawl, was the rudder keeping USS Anderson on course, steering its captain away from solipsism and ironic overload?

Owen Wilson has always been taken lightly. The shaggy blond hair, the slightly dazed stare, and his careless, surfer-dude mien make him easy to underestimate, both in terms of acting talent and brains. Yet, there's something wolfish about Wilson, a sharp-edged intelligence gleaming underneath the chilled-out Texas veneer. For a recent example of Wilson's verbal counterpunching, see the letter he wrote to The New Yorker in response to a takedown of Ben Stiller.

It's not surprising that so little is known about him as a writer. Even while the Anderson/Wilson writing partnership was extant, it was mysterious. Barry Mendel, a producer of Rushmore and The Royal Tenenbaums, told a reporter, "Frankly, I have never seen them working together." Luke Wilson, who lived with his brother and Anderson in Los Angeles, and who appeared in all three Anderson-Wilson films, once said, "They're like one of those couples that you wonder, 'Are they really together?' It was kind of a closed-door affair sometimes. I get the feeling they both toss out names, ideas, fragments. But I couldn't tell you. And if I can't, I think probably nobody can."

But there are clues. The Criterion Collection DVDs of Rushmore, Tenenbaums, and the recently released The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou contain revealing audio commentaries, especially Rushmore's. Both Anderson and Wilson—neither of whom went to film school—come off as formidably conversant in cinema, Blockbuster autodidacts for whom a camera angle or line of script conjures up a stream of movie references. And both men are appealingly generous but unshowy with their knowledge, demonstrating copious wit and insight and sensitivity. Of course, we've long been told all this about Anderson, but it comes as a surprise how much it's equally the case for Wilson.

Ben Stiller once described Owen Wilson as having "a library in his head," and hearing his Rushmore commentary bears that out. He calls Max Fisher a "James Gatz" figure, which is the kind of Great Gatsby reference dropped by people who have actually spent time with the book. But for the most part, Wilson's references are cinematic, not literary. Unlike Anderson, whose film vocabulary is impressive but top-heavy with auteurs—Jean Renoir, Truffaut, Michael Powell—Owen Wilson draws on the rich mine of the American middlebrow. When Max, facing expulsion from Rushmore Academy, asks his headmaster: "Can you get me off the hook? You know, for old times sake?" Wilson points out that it's a Godfather reference. When Max, alone in a classroom with his love object, the beautiful young teacher Ms. Cross, gets up, mid-conversation, to stick a pencil into an electric sharpener, Wilson recalls a moment in Terms of Endearment when Jack Nicholson, driving in a convertible across the beach, runs his fingers through Shirley MacLaine's hair and shouts, (according to Wilson): "Wind is in the hair, lead is in the pencil!"

But the most telling moment in the Rushmore commentary comes later, during a long, panning group montage shot—a Wes Anderson trademark—that segues into a scene of an angry and frustrated Max finally confronting a just as angry and frustrated Ms. Cross, who finally tells Max off:

Ms. Cross: "Do you think we're going to have sex?"

Max: "That's kinda a cheap way to put it."

Ms. Cross: "Not if you ever fucked before, it isn't."

The first voice, commenting on the group montage, belongs to Anderson:

"There's a storybook feeling, something about trying to create these insular worlds in these movies. I don't know exactly why we're doing this, but ..."

Then, cut to the classroom scene, where we hear Owen Wilson in the background. "In Bottle Rocket and Rushmore there's an innocence to the characters," Wilson says. "This scene feels very real in a movie that in a lot of places seems sort of dreamy. This scene has a cringe factor to it because the movie has an innocent feel and this sort of breaks through that. It makes you uncomfortable, which is appropriate because it has to puncture Max's make-believe world."

Telling lines, and, one can't help suspect, somehow indicative of the larger system of checks and balances in the Anderson/Wilson partnership.

Wes Anderson's new screenwriting partner is Noah Baumbach, the youngish filmmaker behind the slight but sharp indie films Kicking and Screaming and Mr. Jealousy. Life Aquatic, the first film he co-wrote with Anderson, doesn't bode well for their creative duet, and the two are working on another script, for a movie based on the Roald Dahl children's book The Fantastic Mr. Fox. In a clubby touch, Baumbach and Anderson conduct the DVD commentary for Life Aquatic over dinner at Bar Pitti, a hip restaurant in Greenwich Village. Baumbach's first movie reference is to Fellini's 8 1/2—part of the canon, of course, but not as much of a gut-punch as Terms of Endearment.

One of the good things about old friends is they never tend to be that impressed with you, because they knew you way back when. Judging from the DVD commentary, Baumbach seems a little in awe of Anderson, his superstar director pal, or at least more inclined to second Anderson's vision than to challenge it, as Wilson had seemed to. You're left thinking that the Anderson-Baumbach partnership is not letting much new air into Wes Anderson's world.

Wilson, for his part, seems to be the one who dropped out of the writing partnership with Anderson. Wilson's acting career took off, and time became scarce. He told a reporter a couple of years ago that he preferred acting to writing because it was more social and spontaneous—you could always improvise lines in the moment; whereas to him, writing a script felt like holing away on a term paper. Fair enough. (Most writers, when confronted with the same choice, would follow Wilson's lead in a finger snap, if only they could.) And Wilson's improv approach to comic filmmaking—an approach shared by his coterie of pals (Stiller, Ferrell, Vaughn, et al.)—has yielded some gems. The best line in Wedding Crashers, hands down—"Scientists say we only use 10 percent of our brains, but I think we only use 10 percent of our hearts"—was reportedly a Wilson original.

And the Wilson-Anderson writing collaboration didn't always sound easy. Wes Anderson once described the producer James L. Brooks' role during the writing and revising of the Bottle Rocket script as partly "refereeing our head-butting matches, Owen's and mine." Brooks put it this way, "Wes is very opinionated and very stubborn. And Owen, who does not think the same way as Wes, is also stubborn." Just as you can't blame Lennon and McCartney for going their own ways, neither can you begrudge Wilson and Anderson. But for those for whom watching USS Anderson's first three movies was like, for another generation, hearing Sgt. Pepper's for the first time, Owen Wilson's shore leave can only dishearten.

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USS Anderson

wow, sea analogies suck

[Pwaybloe]

Yeah, and the worst part is that he uses it in the entire article.

The article is kind of jumping to conclusions way too early.  I thought "Zissou" was outstanding.  The third act really sticks out as innovative while tackling the action/adventure genre.   I loved the style, but it seems the article is concerned with context.  "Zissou" didn't have the finishing touches that Rushmore had, but I never once thought "Oh this is so missing Owen, dude."