Intolerable Cruelty (Now Polling)

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SoNowThen

#45
September 20, 2003, 02:47:15 PM
that last line made me laugh for ten minutes. all in his delivery and facial expressions -- reminding me of Mastroianni in his heyday. this will be comedic gold.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Ghostboy

#46
September 20, 2003, 04:33:05 PM
Yeah, every time that trailer comes on, that line makes it completely worthwhile. I think it's brilliantly executed.

I was actually in line at a screening for this on Wednesday, but forces beyond my control demanded that I leave before it started. It was painful, but at least it's not too long until the 10th rolls around.

modage

#47
September 25, 2003, 03:01:24 PM
official website is full on...

http://www.intolerablecruelty.com/

wallpapers, screensavers, buddy icons, sound effects and flash galore.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

mutinyco

#48
October 02, 2003, 03:58:48 PM
I saw it. It'll be a hit. It's the most commercial the Coen's could go without losing their twisted sensibilities. It's a love story between the 2 most shallow citizens of LA. And that means shallow.
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Walter Sobchak

#49
October 03, 2003, 03:50:03 AM
Well, I only saw the trailer last week, and the first thought I had (the first one since two weeks now, but I don't complain) was that maybe, for the first time, this Coen movie will find a large audience (the Clooney-Zeta Jones factor probably)... And also the fact that where I live (Brussels-Belgium-Europe-World), it is presented (?) as an important movie, just as Harry Potter, The Lord Of The Rings or Independance Day (just kidding, everybody knows that Independance Day is not really a movie... what is it exactly ?)
Time will tell, as someone said...

godardian

#50
October 03, 2003, 03:36:59 PM
Okay, well... I'm just going to say it. As a longtime admirer of the Coens, I'm trepidatious, because I find the trailer... just... awful. I wholly trust that the Coens will come up with something better than the "sassy" slapstick/conventional romantic-comedy the trailer makes it out to be... please say it's so, fellas!

I'll be first in line opening day, of course. I was looking forward to the idea of this more than the idea of Kill Bill, but now... I'm not so sure.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

MacGuffin

#51
October 03, 2003, 11:55:57 PM
Charlie Rose appearance:

MONDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2003
"Intolerable Cruelty"
GEORGE CLOONEY, Actor
CATHERINE ZETA-JONES, Actor
ETHAN COEN, Filmmaker
JOEL COEN, Filmmaker
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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modage

#52
October 04, 2003, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: mutinycoI saw it. It'll be a hit. It's the most commercial the Coen's could go without losing their twisted sensibilities. It's a love story between the 2 most shallow citizens of LA. And that means shallow.

i disagree. its too weird. it might beat their other movies (not that that's very difficult), but i doubt it'll be any type of smash hit.  im guessing 50 mill or less.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

godardian

#53
October 04, 2003, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: mutinycoI saw it. It'll be a hit. It's the most commercial the Coen's could go without losing their twisted sensibilities. It's a love story between the 2 most shallow citizens of LA. And that means shallow.

i disagree. its too weird. it might beat their other movies (not that that's very difficult), but i doubt it'll be any type of smash hit.  im guessing 50 mill or less.

I guess the Coens are probably much more concerned about that than I am. I don't care at all about box office as any sort of measure of success, though I am happy when my favorite artists get to have a financial success... I despise the way our culture and media have turned the weekly box office listings into some sort of horse race for people- including people who just don't care about movies at all- to measure "success" by.

My favorite Coen Bros. film- Barton Fink- did not break any box office records, but it had and continues to have a helluva lot of respect, which is something you can't claim of, say, The Lost World.

P.S. The word "weird" has lost any descriptive powers it might have- anything not dull is apparently considered "weird" by the homogenized public. I'm interpreting it to mean, here, that it's too unformulaic for this presumably timid public to swallow?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

mutinyco

#54
October 06, 2003, 06:54:18 AM
I don't think it's too weird. I think audiences have caught up with the Coens. I don't think box office matters much in the creative world, but I think they're intentionally trying to make some money so they can pursue other projects.

Put it this way: if a couple is going out on a date Friday night, and their choices are between an ultraviolent Tarantino film or a twisted romantic comedy with Clooney and Zeta-Jones, which do you think will win out? In pure box office terms it had broader appeal.
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe

Fernando

#55
October 06, 2003, 10:28:09 AM
Interview with Clooney and Zeta-Jones at Latino Review.

MrBurgerKing

#56
October 06, 2003, 08:38:33 PM
What is the difference between "white-hot" and "red-hot"? The trailer talks about the "white-hot" chemistry of Zeta-Jones and Clooney. I've never heard this expression before.. I guess red-hot works because satan is red, and satan is tempting, and sex is tempting, so red-hot works in an erotic fashion. White-hot however just doesn't work. I guess white could be symbolic for angelic, or 'good', which I guess can be kind of a fetish, an angel, nude under white sheets, but in general I don't equate white with sexual. Especially with the subject matter (seems like a forbidden-type love), it should be red-hot.

White-hot? Maybe it refers to their race, but then again when was the last time you saw a native american romantic flick?

mutinyco

#57
October 06, 2003, 10:21:31 PM
A white flame is hotter than a red flame. It's science. Blue is hotter than red too.
"I believe in this, and it's been tested by research: he who fucks nuns will later join the church."

-St. Joe

ShanghaiOrange

#58
October 07, 2003, 09:10:39 AM
Hey, mutinyco, I just had sex with your mother.
Last five films (theater)
-The Da Vinci Code: *
-Thank You For Smoking: ***
-Silent Hill: ***1/2 (high)
-Happy Together: ***1/2
-Slither: **

Last five films (video)
-Solaris: ***1/2
-Cobra Verde: ***1/2
-My Best Fiend: **1/2
-Days of Heaven: ****
-The Thin Red Line: ***

modage

#59
October 09, 2003, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: mutinycoPut it this way: if a couple is going out on a date Friday night, and their choices are between an ultraviolent Tarantino film or a twisted romantic comedy with Clooney and Zeta-Jones, which do you think will win out? In pure box office terms it had broader appeal.

sure, opening weekend people will give anything a try.  but i dont see this being the type of movie that has that unanimous word of mouth to keep people seeing it week after week.  i dont think once the first group sees it, they'll tell their friends its a "must see".  when was the last successful twisted romantic comedy anyway?
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.
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