Intolerable Cruelty (Now Polling)

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kotte

#120
November 03, 2003, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanToo many cliches... the attack dogs, the guy who cries at weddings, the token crazy black guy.

Though cliches, I thought it was a part of the whole screwball genre...but yeah, black crazy guy is too much of modern cliche.

Better executed cliches than most movies have...

Cliches are good if they're done well...I totally believe in that.

Jeremy Blackman

#121
November 03, 2003, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: kotteCliches are good if they're done well...I totally believe in that.

What exactly do you mean by "done well"... For a cliche to be done well (from my perspective) it would have to be creative and original, in which case it would cease to be a cliche and would become parody.

kotte

#122
November 03, 2003, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: kotteCliches are good if they're done well...I totally believe in that.

What exactly do you mean by "done well"... For a cliche to be done well (from my perspective) it would have to be creative and original, in which case it would cease to be a cliche and would become parody.

I was just reading this post and to be frank...I don't know. I think confused genre with cliche...:?

ElPandaRoyal

#123
November 17, 2003, 01:56:40 PM
Finally saw it today, after a series of forced delayings and.... fuck, I'm very disappointed by it. It has some funny moments, a great performance by Clooney Zeta-Jones and some of the supporting cast, but all in all..... didn't convince me. Not a bad film, but a bad Coen brothers film. And that's a shame... :(
Si

kotte

#124
November 17, 2003, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumFinally saw it today, after a series of forced delayings and.... fuck, I'm very disappointed by it. It has some funny moments, a great performance by Clooney Zeta-Jones and some of the supporting cast, but all in all..... didn't convince me. Not a bad film, but a bad Coen brothers film. And that's a shame... :(

It's nothing else but a light comedy...shouldn't expect too much of it. But their name places the expectations a bit high.

Like someone here said (don't remember who) I think they're doing mainstream films to later get to make 'to the white sea'. I hope this is true.

ElPandaRoyal

#125
November 17, 2003, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: kotteIt's nothing else but a light comedy...shouldn't expect too much of it. But their name places the expectations a bit high.

Like someone here said (don't remember who) I think they're doing mainstream films to later get to make 'to the white sea'. I hope this is true.

No doubt you're right about everything you said. Their names place expectations too high (and that's good, because it means they're amazing) and I definatelly think there's a reason for them to do a film like this, for that producer and with some of the scenes that are in it (which, I bet, were in the first draft of the script written by those other guys). One funny thing though: myleast favorite Coen films are this and "O Brother, Where Art Thou?", both starring Clooney. And what's weird is that I think he's great in both films. He just makes me laugh...

Anyway, the movie doesn't afect their reputation for me. I'm just waiting for Ladykillers and for them to be able to do "To The White Sea".
Si

MacGuffin

#126
December 03, 2003, 02:48:51 AM
On February 10th, Universal Studios Home Video will release the latest from the Coen Brothers, Intolerable Cruelty. The disc will be available in separate 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen and full screen editions, each with Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 tracks, multiple featurettes, trailers and more to be announced. Retail is $26.95.
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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Sanjuro

#127
December 03, 2003, 08:04:51 AM
just saw this. great opening sequence, then the whole movie starts to suck except for some funny parts. it picks up in the last act a little and you see more of the coens trademark, but still not good enough a pick up.  
its an ok movie.
its a good romantic comedy (but it works on the lowest level of romantic comedys). i was hoping this to be better. it seemed that the creativity (big lebowski for instance) of the coens seemed to lack in this movie or was it they were just trying to force this blockbuster genre and try to turn it around?
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zerocool41

#128
January 07, 2004, 10:21:40 PM
As time has gone by...i think this movie may play out better on repeat viewings...upon first time i hated it...i walked out completely disappointed.  Catherine Zeta Jones hasn't made a cool movie since she showed up in high fidelity.
I'm going to lay down a monster hand here.

MacGuffin

#129
January 07, 2004, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: zerocool41Catherine Zeta Jones hasn't made a cool movie since she showed up in high fidelity.

I wouldn't call it a 'cool' movie, but her performance in "Traffic" is pretty powerful.
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SoNowThen

#130
January 08, 2004, 12:50:48 PM
"Wheezy Joe, it's a no-go. Tell him."
"No go."
"No go, Wheezy Joe."


I'm probably the only one in the world who thought that was hilarious, right?
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Sleepless

#131
January 10, 2004, 09:28:28 AM
I'll tell you something which has just occurred to me, what with all the discussion of how they tried to expland the rom-com formula - I think the biggest problem is the supporting characters. Billy Bob excepted, they're all rather weak.

It was that "No go, Wheezy Joe" quote that made me think of this - suddenly George Clooney's best friend becomes an active character, but he's so bland, just like the typical *best friend* in any other romantic comedy. This film is just not quirky enough. Obviously they were concentrating more on trying to turn a profit here, but I think it would have worked far more interesting if more of the characters were more interesting.

And Catherine Zeta Jones sucks period.
He held on. The dolphin and all the rest of its pod turned and swam out to sea, and still he held on. This is it, he thought. Then he remembered that they were air-breathers too. It was going to be all right.

MacGuffin

#132
January 10, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: SleeplessAnd Catherine Zeta Jones sucks period.

:shock:  She's a lesbian vampire?!?
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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Sleepless

#133
January 10, 2004, 10:52:20 AM
yes, and she's sired Michael Douglas. How else would he still be alive?
He held on. The dolphin and all the rest of its pod turned and swam out to sea, and still he held on. This is it, he thought. Then he remembered that they were air-breathers too. It was going to be all right.

Redlum

#134
January 10, 2004, 10:59:49 AM
I can't wait to see this again on DVD. It did feel like a watered down Coen movie but I really enjoyed it. I think the absurdity of the Simon and Garfunkel soundtrack choices makes up a great deal of it for me. The pirest walking down the isle with the guitar singing 'April Come She Will' just kills me. I'm sure I missed quite a few jokes first time round, too.

Disapointed as it looks like there wont even be a Coen interview on the DVD.
\"I wanted to make a film for kids, something that would present them with a kind of elementary morality. Because nowadays nobody bothers to tell those kids, \'Hey, this is right and this is wrong\'.\"
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