I'm Not There - Bob Dylan biopic

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February 11, 2003, 11:35:12 AM Last Edit: May 07, 2006, 08:34:05 PM by MacGuffin
Like a Rolling Stone
Todd Haynes plans to direct Bob Dylan biopic. The filmmaker behind the acclaimed ''Far From Heaven'' and ''Velvet Goldmine'' sets his sights on the music legend

The man behind ''Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story'' and ''Velvet Goldmine'' is gearing up for his most ambitious music film yet. Writer-director Todd Haynes -- currently bathing in acclaim and Oscar buzz for his ''Far From Heaven'' -- is planning a movie based on the life of Bob Dylan. ''I don't have a script yet, but when all this [awards hype] settles down, I'm going to get to work,'' he says. ''I have some notes and some very rough things fleshed out, but I'm looking forward to going back into the cave.''

The plot is itself rather Dylanesque. ''It will be a fictional drama that will draw from his life, but it will refract who he is into a cluster of characters played by different actors who will be him, but none of them him,'' says Haynes. ''It's probably the most honest way to tell anybody's story, because we look back on our lives and, hopefully, we occupy different selves that have changed and grown and [been] discarded. He's a great example of that. It's the only way to tackle his multiplicity.''

Haynes hasn't spoken to Dylan but says the singer-songwriter has, through his manager, given his go-ahead and permission to use his music.
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Raikus

#1
February 11, 2003, 11:40:10 AM
As much as I love Dylan and all, I'd rather have Pennebaker's "Dont' Look Back" as his definitive film. Not to mention, doesn't this seem a bit premature to go to press with?
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands, with all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves, let me forget about today until tomorrow.

Gold Trumpet

#2
February 11, 2003, 09:54:11 PM
This is an extremely interesting idea with great possibilities. Lets just hope that it doesn't pain Dylan to be just God instead of trying to show who he really is, and from reading reviews of Don't Look Back, and that he can be as petty as any other rock star. Everyone these days seem to just want to suck the man's dick.

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Ghostboy

#3
February 11, 2003, 10:23:24 PM
I think it's a great idea. I love Don't Look Back, but I'm willing to see what Haynes can bring to the table.

Has anyone heard anything about 'Masked & Anonymous' since its disastrous Sundance debut? I wonder if it'll get released. The whole premise sounded really lame, but I'd really like to see it...just to see what sort of a trainwreck it is.

godardian

#4
May 08, 2003, 11:10:12 PM
If the honest way Haynes had of allegoricizing David Bowie in Velvet Goldmine is any indication, he will not be deifying Dylan, but rather using his story as an example of the way our modern culture/celebrity works in conjunction with identity (on the performer's and audience's part).
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#5
May 08, 2003, 11:12:42 PM
in this film bob takes it Up the butt

damn you todd haynes ::waves fist::

godardian

#6
May 09, 2003, 09:29:28 AM
Your obsession with the topic is embarrassingly Freudian, pal. Just try it and get it over with so we can all stop hearing about it from you here- I'm sure Jay and/or Silent Bob would be happy to help you out, since they're similarly focused. The practice itself is hardly "gross," but your consuming desire to talk about it here really is, for some reason.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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SoNowThen

#7
May 09, 2003, 11:39:41 AM
??
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#8
May 09, 2003, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen??

Yeah, that joker has posts on the topic of what he calls "man-man butt sex" in more than one of these forums... which he(?) vociferiously finds "gross," which must mean it weighs heavily on his mind... which Dr. Freud would tell us is the sign of a desperately repressed desire to do exactly what the topic of disgust is.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SoNowThen

#9
May 09, 2003, 12:55:50 PM
Yeah, but Freud was a coked-out lunatic.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#10
May 09, 2003, 01:04:24 PM
...like so many geniuses...

The cocaine and the personal problems are always quite exaggerated by Freud's detractors, but you're not seriously saying you think he had any less of a point about our subconscious and sexuality just because of those things??
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

MacGuffin

#11
May 09, 2003, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: godardianDr. Freud would tell us is the sign of a desperately repressed desire to do exactly what the topic of disgust is.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackmanthe fighter of all things goatse.

Freudian.
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godardian

#12
May 09, 2003, 01:07:10 PM
:)
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

bonanzataz

#13
May 09, 2003, 03:26:33 PM
fag.
The corpses all hang headless and limp bodies with no surprises and the blood drains down like devil's rain we'll bathe tonight I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls Demon I am and face I peel to see your skin turned inside out, 'cause gotta have you on my wall gotta have you on my wall, 'cause I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls collect the heads of little girls and put 'em on my wall hack the heads off little girls and put 'em on my wall I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls

RegularKarate

#14
May 09, 2003, 03:58:32 PM
Taz, I'm gonna lock this thread and ban your ass.
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