I'm Not There - Bob Dylan biopic

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AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#15
May 09, 2003, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: SoNowThen??

Yeah, that joker has posts on the topic of what he calls "man-man butt sex" in more than one of these forums... which he(?) vociferiously finds "gross," which must mean it weighs heavily on his mind... which Dr. Freud would tell us is the sign of a desperately repressed desire to do exactly what the topic of disgust is.

i always wanted to be called a joker in such a fashion, this is a thrill

godardian

#16
May 12, 2003, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: bonanzatazfag.

True, but sort of a predictable word for it. Name-calling has always been the last resort of the infantile, ignorant, and fearful, though, so it's to be expected. I use the world all the time, myself, but as Andrew Sarris would say, "It's not WHAT, it's HOW."
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#17
May 12, 2003, 11:03:25 AM
All that being behind us (hopefully, and no pun intended, ha ha), maybe we can actually talk about the so-called Bob Dylan biopic for once...

I've not seen Don't Look Back. Not being much of a Dylan fan, I'm hoping (and I think I'm right) that we won't be getting a direct Dylan biopic from Todd Haynes. I wouldn't be surprised if the character is not actually called "Bob Dylan," but is a more "based upon" kind of thing a la Brian Slade/Tommy Stone (not called "David Bowie," though they obviously were to a large extent) in Velvet Goldmine.

The most interesting thing about Dylan to me is not his music- for some reason, his songs always sound better to me when they're sung by someone else, love PJ Harvey's "Hwy. 61"- but his mythmaking. And seeing as how Haynes's recurrent theme is socialization, media, technology, and cultural myth, I think it can reasonably be expected that the oft-self-revised and largely self-exaggerated Ballad of Bob Dylan will be seen through many different facets to present variations on Haynes's themes.

But... who here would be disappointed if it does, indeed, turn out NOT to be a Bob Dylan biopic in the conventional sense of the word (Haynes never does anything conventional)? Would you lose interest if, for his own creative ends, the finished film is something that plays fast and loose with anything one could take literally about Dylan?

I fully expect a Performance-type thing, conjoining Dylan and Haynes like this. It remains to be seen, though, since apparently the script isn't even completed yet.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Jeremy Blackman

#18
May 12, 2003, 06:48:00 PM
MacGuffin... you could turn that on its head and take Mr. Xixax as an example...

meatwad

#19
May 12, 2003, 07:05:49 PM
I think Todd Haynes said in Spin magazine when Far From Heaven came out that this film would not be a direct dylan bio pic but more of a story about dylan related characters.

That actually sounds like a better idea then the straight bio pic. who the hell would play dylan?






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dufresne

#20
May 12, 2003, 08:24:13 PM
Quote from: Meatwad
That actually sounds like a better idea then the straight bio pic. who the hell would play dylan?



i'd put my vote for james franco.
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budgie

#21
July 25, 2003, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: godardianIf the honest way Haynes had of allegoricizing David Bowie in Velvet Goldmine is any indication, he will not be deifying Dylan, but rather using his story as an example of the way our modern culture/celebrity works in conjunction with identity (on the performer's and audience's part).

I think you're right, godardian. I'm open-minded about this project, and like Velvet Goldmine (although I don't know why explorations of surface and style have to be so emotionally uninvolving - or maybe it's just Haynes' that are?), but I wish that he would choose a figure less obviously enigmatic. It doesn't seem a striking choice if Haynes uses an already elusive pop-culture icon like Dylan to explore his themes. I'd be more interested if he chose someone from the pre-modern period, and not a rock star.

Ghostboy

#22
July 25, 2003, 01:55:40 PM
Masked & Anonymous is pretty bad, in case anyone was wondering.

godardian

#23
July 25, 2003, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: budgie
Quote from: godardianIf the honest way Haynes had of allegoricizing David Bowie in Velvet Goldmine is any indication, he will not be deifying Dylan, but rather using his story as an example of the way our modern culture/celebrity works in conjunction with identity (on the performer's and audience's part).

I think you're right, godardian. I'm open-minded about this project, and like Velvet Goldmine (although I don't know why explorations of surface and style have to be so emotionally uninvolving - or maybe it's just Haynes' that are?), but I wish that he would choose a figure less obviously enigmatic. It doesn't seem a striking choice if Haynes uses an already elusive pop-culture icon like Dylan to explore his themes. I'd be more interested if he chose someone from the pre-modern period, and not a rock star.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see... I've heard nothing of specifics as yet, so who knows exactly what it'll be? I love the idea of him being "different people," whatever it means. It evokes some things in my head that may prove to be entirely not what Haynes is planning to do.

There's a really nice interview/introduction with Haynes on the DVD of Ali: Fear Eats the Soul wherein he talks at length about ideas regarding emotional involvement, relation/identity to characters, etc. I personally find the films very emotionally involving, regardless of the degree to which we're discouraged from getting "inside their skin" of the characters.

I've heard Masked and Anonymous is pretty bad, too. I think I'll see Seabiscuit instead.  :)
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#24
December 26, 2003, 06:24:11 PM
A long time on, and in retrospect, Seabiscuit couldn't possibly have been any better than Masked and Anonymous.

This from the BBC:


Woman to play Dylan in biopic

The Dylan of 1965 will be played by a female actor

Music legend Bob Dylan is to be played by an actress in a film about the singer's life.

An unidentified woman will portray the singer-songwriter at the height of his popularity in the mid-1960s.

The unlikely role is one of seven stages of Dylan's five-decade career represented by different actors - who also reportedly include an 11-year-old black boy.

The film is being made director Todd Haynes, whose film Far From Heaven has won an Oscar nomination for actress Julianne Moore.

Haynes said he wanted to capture the many facets of Dylan's character.

He said: "Bob Dylan is somebody who has continued to reject all of the various personas that he has embodied over the years.

"(He) continues to move forward by discarding himself, so my idea is to put together a film of multiple characters and tell their stories simultaneously."

Haynes said although each of the actors would portray the singer, none would create "the definitive Dylan".

The woman actor would play him as he appeared in the era "when he was best-looking", said Haynes.

Dylan fans will be intrigued by the prospect of the first major Hollywood film project in recent years to chronicle his life and work.

Haynes has reportedly struck up a close friendship with the artist and gained unprecedented access to his catalogue of hundreds of songs.

Dylan's life story - also due to be told in a forthcoming autobiography - makes for a potentially colourful film.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Ghostboy

#25
December 26, 2003, 06:32:03 PM
Wow, that's a great approach.  Haynes will undoubtedly dodge every traditional biopic cliche. I just hope he doesn't 'steal' any of my ideas for my eventual Kurt Cobain movie. Darn that collective unconsicousness theft...

MacGuffin

#26
February 10, 2004, 01:13:53 AM
Todd Haynes Next Making Bob Dylan Film
Source: Variety

Paramount Pictures has reached a deal with Killer Films and Wells Prods. to produce writer-director Todd Haynes' next feature, a film about the life of Bob Dylan.

Variety reports that Haynes is currently scripting the project, tentatively titled I'm Not There: Suppositions on a Film Concerning Dylan. The singer has also licensed music rights to the production.

"The film is going be inspired by Dylan's music and his ability to re-create and re-imagine himself time and time again," said Killer principal Christine Vachon. Haynes is expected to finish the script in another few months.
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meatball

#27
May 02, 2005, 03:36:43 PM
Director Todd Haynes (FAR FROM HEAVEN) has found his star for the upcoming Bob Dylan biopic I'M NOT THERE - Adrien Brody. And Colin Farrell. And Richard Gere. Oh and Julianne Moore and Cate Blanchett too. And then there's Charlotte Gainsbourg. And, yes, they'll all be playing Bob Dylan. Confused? It's all part of Haynes's plan to create an unconventional biography of the legendary musician that will use different actors to portray the singer at different portions and aspects of his life and career. Six of the seven "Dylans" are above and Haynes is still looking for one more - a young black woman the director hopes will accentuate Dylan's "inner-blackness." If this all sounds a little weird to you, know this - I'M NOT THERE is the first time Dylan has given his approval to a feature film based on his life. The project was initially set up at Paramount but whent he new regime came in, lead by new president Brad Grey, the studio dropped it from its schedule. A new deal with a distributor is expected to close at the Cannes Film Festival. The film, which has been described as Haynes's dream project, is expected to film this fall but that may be contingent on the schedules of all the talent involved.

cowboykurtis

#28
May 02, 2005, 03:49:05 PM
what a fucking idiotic idea
...your excuses are your own...

RegularKarate

#29
May 02, 2005, 04:31:11 PM
posting that?  yeah
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