21 Grams

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SoNowThen

#180
January 30, 2004, 03:56:38 PM
Disjointed structure and elliptical editing count as style, I believe. And I don't fault it as much as I say 'you make a bed and sleep in it'. I don't mind this style when it really meshes and creates an incredible movie (City Of God). And I think it was very well done here, it just didn't really have that great a script, it seems.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Pubrick

#181
January 30, 2004, 10:12:43 PM
it's his first english movie, give him a break!  :(

u can tell from the awkward phasing of most lines "god even knows when a single hair on ur head moves".. total foreign english.

meanwhile i think that didn't matter cos of what he did with the editing. i'll make a short point here on sumthing i've been saying since the days of Mullholand Drive. everyone is so concerned with "piecing it together", that they forget what is being pieced together. the transcendant aspect of this film is what is not bound by structure or dialogue, and that's the IDEA that the title refers to, and the style echoes: the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

i mention mul drive cos that's another instance where ppl are just obsessed with "piecing it together" like that's the whole point. in that film it played a purpose because of its dream logic, but the content was much more heavy than whatever order it was placed in. that's how it is in 21 Grams. the transcendant moment is the crash, and is even presented so, u are made to think of the real world of the film by focusing through a "frozen moment".. the final shot fits with that idea.

those two shots are the key to the film, if u are not feeling anything at those points then u hav every right to say the film was a failure. that was the risk it took. following the ideas i proposed, i did feel sumthing, so i can't deny that there was something transcendent. it's not pretending to be the only movie ever to show emotion, but it is intending to be one of the few films that makes u think consciously about what it is to feel, where this feeling came from, and where it might go.
under the paving stones.

Jeremy Blackman

#182
January 30, 2004, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenDisjointed structure and elliptical editing count as style, I believe.
Why do people feel the need to separate style from substance?

modage

#183
January 30, 2004, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SoNowThenDisjointed structure and elliptical editing count as style, I believe.
Why do people feel the need to separate style from substance?
like filmmakers?
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

Recce

#184
January 31, 2004, 10:03:50 AM
I found it was pretty good. But the whole bouncing around the timeline kinda bothered me and threw me out of the story. It jsut felt like the film was meant to be linear, then they decided it didn't have enough to it, so they broke up the timeline in post. It didn't really serve a purpose in the overall piece. Plus, I'm all for doing sometihng different, but at one point, we were following  I think 4 to 6 different timelines. It got a bit confusing, even though they did try to keep it clear by having the actors with different haircuts and facial hair, etc.
They kind of cheated in the trailer too, throwing in the whole 'you loose 21 grams when you die' thing. It convinced all the old people that it was a deeply philosophical film so they all wanted to see it. Which is funny, cause it really isn't the type of film that would appeal to your average old person. Hell, even my mother wanted to see it cause of that, and she never sees anything. I had to tell her that she wouldn't like it, otherwise she would have been mad at me for letting her go see it.
Although, still a very good film.
"The idea had been growing in my brain for some time: TRUE force. All the king's men
                        cannot put it back together again." (Travis Bickle, "Taxi Driver")

Pubrick

#185
January 31, 2004, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Reccedeeply philosophical film
it was.

but that's fine, don't anyone read what i wrote or nothin. if i don't make any sense please tell me so i can give up on being serious. this refers to both my reviews.
under the paving stones.

©brad

#186
January 31, 2004, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: P
but that's fine, don't anyone read what i wrote or nothin. if i don't make any sense please tell me so i can give up on being serious.

nah, don't stop.

lately it seems that a lot of peeps around here are simply making posts rather than reading them.

modage

#187
January 31, 2004, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: P
but that's fine, don't anyone read what i wrote or nothin. if i don't make any sense please tell me so i can give up on being serious.
no, P.  keep writing what you want.  although recently it seems like a lot of people arent reading many of the posts...
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

©brad

#188
January 31, 2004, 01:10:01 PM
hahahah.

my case has been rested.

modage

#189
January 31, 2004, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: ©bradlately it seems that a lot of peeps around here are simply making posts rather than reading them.

Quote from: themodernage02although recently it seems like a lot of people arent reading many of the posts...

I dunno if it was intentional, but what's funny is you guys said the same thing but it looks like mod-age didn't read cbrad's post.
IT WAS A JOKE!  sheez... :roll:  wasnt it ironic?
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

molly

#190
January 31, 2004, 01:37:01 PM
Quote from: P
Quote from: Reccedeeply philosophical film
it was.

but that's fine, don't anyone read what i wrote or nothin. if i don't make any sense please tell me so i can give up on being serious. this refers to both my reviews.

you write beautiful reviews, don't stop

Recce

#191
February 01, 2004, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: ©brad
Quote from: P
but that's fine, don't anyone read what i wrote or nothin. if i don't make any sense please tell me so i can give up on being serious.

nah, don't stop.

lately it seems that a lot of peeps around here are simply making posts rather than reading them.

Well soooorrry. Like I wanna read through 14 pages of posts to make a comment. Jeeez.
"The idea had been growing in my brain for some time: TRUE force. All the king's men
                        cannot put it back together again." (Travis Bickle, "Taxi Driver")

Pubrick

#192
February 01, 2004, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: RecceWell soooorrry. Like I wanna read through 14 pages of posts to make a comment. Jeeez.
just the first page and the last page would be fine.
under the paving stones.

Chest Rockwell

#193
February 01, 2004, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: P
Quote from: RecceWell soooorrry. Like I wanna read through 14 pages of posts to make a comment. Jeeez.
just the first page and the last page would be fine.

That's my way of doing things. Seems to have worked well for me so far.

meatball

#194
February 01, 2004, 01:36:51 PM
Bunch of judgemental pricks.
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