Team America *Contains Dialogue Spoilers

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coffeebeetle

more than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. one path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. the other, to total extinction. let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
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Just Withnail

Quote from: mogwaiyes, puppet sex is the real deal now.

Well shit, I've been having it for years.

MacGuffin

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Quote from: mogwaiyes, puppet sex is the real deal now.

Well shit, I've been having it for years.

I hear puppets are really into fisting.
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Alethia

Quote from: MacGuffinI hear puppets are really into fisting.

Let's hope they use a strong detergent.

El Duderino

Did I just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget?

Sleuth

besides, it's probably not even a Matrix reference.  it COULD be, but

_________ this!

has been around for a lot longer than the Matrix
I like to hug dogs

Pubrick

yeah, the irony is more evident upon hearing more dialogue.

such as "maybe feelings are feelings cos we can't control them"..
under the paving stones.

MacGuffin

Launching a small-scale offensive
The "South Park" gang is back with more of its raunchy, irreverent shtick. But this time they recruited puppets to do the dirty work. Source: Los Angeles Times



The Taj Mahal wasn't built in a day, and it looks as if it's going to take much longer than that to torch it.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the creators of the "South Park" TV series and movie, are scurrying to finish their next film, the action satire "Team America: World Police," and the Taj Mahal isn't making their destructive work any easier. The movie's central conceit — it's performed by one-third scale marionettes dangled over miniature sets — has been far easier to dream up than execute, and with two weeks left to complete principal photography for its Oct. 15 premiere, Stone and Parker are running out of time, money and energy.

Like the most hackneyed Hollywood popcorn movie, the world will go up in smoke unless Team America's crime-fighting puppets single-handedly come to the rescue. Stone and Parker's villain puppet, Kim Jong Il, is as ruthless as he is diminutive, and is laying waste to familiar sights spanning the globe. The North Korean leader already has obliterated London's Big Ben and Paris' Louvre. India's onion-domed landmark is the next to be vaporized, assuming Parker and Stone can figure out how to blow it up.

For the better part of an August morning on a Culver City soundstage, Stone has rehearsed a sequence intended to turn an enormous scale Taj Mahal model into rubble, but what sounds like a teenage pyro prank is proving much more complicated than that. The movie sends up show business clichés whenever possible, and the filmmakers are trying to jam in as many visual allusions as feasible. Stone, who co-wrote "Team America" and serves as its second unit director, wants the Taj Mahal scene to be a recognizable homage to the nuclear shockwaves leveling Baltimore in "The Sum of All Fears."

"It's a great explosion," Stone says of the "Sum of All Fears" blast. "It's probably the only good part of the movie."

Stone loads a "Sum of All Fears" DVD into his laptop and reviews the key scene with co-writer and director Parker, who is filming another "Team America" segment on an adjacent set inside the same soundstage. Special-effects technicians have ringed the Taj Mahal replica with compressed-air canisters designed to generate a sequence of debris-filled shockwaves that will wipe out the innocent marionettes strolling past the Islamic shrine. After a quick safety speech, the fireworks begin. A smoky explosion rips across the stage with a roar, the lifeless puppets collapsing in a tangled mass in the Taj Mahal's reflecting pool.

"Damn it," Parker says, punching his director's chair as the scene is replayed on a video monitor. "One puppet screwed up the whole shot."

The video replay reveals that the instant the explosion hit, the hands of one of the scene's six puppeteers flinched just a few inches, sending his marionette skyward a split second before the shock waves arrive. What's more, the debris is out of scale, and the explosion isn't bright enough. It seems absurd to say, but the sequence looks … fake.

Even though "Team America" is by outward appearances a feature-length joke, the film is painstakingly well made, from intricate costume designs to high-speed chase scenes performed in remote-control cars. One tiny "Team America"-scale Uzi cost $1,000 to construct, and Kim Jong Il's eyeglasses are made with hand-ground prescription lenses.

Given their obsession with detail, craftsmanship and whatever passes for verisimilitude in a puppet movie, Stone and Parker immediately realize that as hopelessly overcrowded as their remaining production schedule might be, they must redo the whole Taj Mahal scene.

"This movie is a nightmare to shoot," says Stone. It's not just explosions that have proved challenging.

To ensure Paramount would give enough money to maintain high production standards, Stone, Parker and producer Scott Rudin waived their collective fees of some $7 million.

"There is nothing in the world," a weary Parker says, "that would ever make me want to make another puppet movie."

A method to their madness

People unfamiliar with the work habits of Stone, Parker and longtime writing partner Pam Brady might assume the trio simply guzzles enough beer and takes sufficient bong hits until crazy ideas start flowing. How else to explain "South Park's" episode "The Passion of the Jew" or the show's turning Saddam Hussein into Satan's gay lover?

But a few days with Stone and Parker on the "Team America" set proves that underneath their frat-house fascination with language and sexuality so coarse it might make John Waters blush, they take moviemaking quite seriously. The "Team America" production boasts some of the top artists in every trade: Cinematographer Bill Pope is coming off "Spider-Man 2" and "The Matrix" movies, while pyrotechnics supervisor Joe Viskocil worked on "Independence Day" and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day."

It's easy to forget Parker and Marc Shaiman's "Blame Canada" song from 2000's "South Park" movie was nominated for an Academy Award (Shaiman also is "Team America's" composer).

Stone, Parker and Brady spent nearly two years perfecting the "Team America" script. For influences, they studied scores of recent action and disaster movies, from "Alien" to "Top Gun" to "S.W.A.T." To help shape the film's archetypal heroes (from the true believer to the reluctant hero to the guy who sells out his friends for greater glory), they read Joseph Campbell. More than anything else, as they constantly reworked the script, they asked themselves questions. Are puppets inherently silly? How are Jerry Bruckheimer movies emotionally moving and manipulatively silly at the same time? Can serious be funnier than funny? And what is America's role in world affairs?

"On one level, it's a big send-up," Brady says. "But on another, it's about foreign policy. It's pretty trippy."

"Team America's" narrative was primarily motivated by Stone and Parker's fascination with producer Gerry Anderson's "Thunderbirds" television series from the 1960s and Hollywood's increasingly formulaic summer movies. The former presented a cool but underutilized storytelling technique, while the latter offered an easy satire target.

"The joke of this movie is that it's a big, dumb Bruckheimer movie done with puppets," Stone says earlier in the shoot, as he and Parker prepare to blow up the Panama Canal, drowning every Panamanian and burro in sight.

"What we really wanted to do was film a Bruckheimer script, word for word, but with puppets. And then we wanted to do 'The Day After Tomorrow,' but there were some legal problems with that."

They settled instead on the story of a mostly gung-ho police force stomping out terror around the world. As Team America dispatches global enemies, its sometimes heavy-handed tactics generate international scorn, eventually prompting self-centered, left-wing celebrities (are there any other kind?) to denounce the crime fighters. Michael Moore leads a demonstration against Team America, while stars like George Clooney and Ethan Hawke help keep the superheroes captive.

Just as the "South Park" movie ultimately made a statement about the dangers of censorship, "Team America" may not be as mindless as it appears. Uninformed "Team America" critics previously have attacked the filmmakers for belittling President Bush and his war on terror, even though Bush isn't in "Team America" and the film ultimately recognizes America as a superpower while mocking its movie stars.

"When the Iraq war started, the celebrities really took center stage," Brady says. "It was so frustrating. Every time you wanted an expert, you got Janeane Garofalo instead. It's about time someone stood up to celebrities."

As soon as filming began, Parker and Stone, who jointly supply many of the characters' voices, labored to find the right comic tone. The movie, they quickly realized, had to take itself earnestly, because it already is a gag.

"Puppets doing jokes is not funny," Stone says. "But when you see puppets doing melodrama, spitting up blood and talking about how they were raped as children, that's funny."

Simply getting the puppets to perform more than a herky-jerky walk, though, was nearly impossible. Having a character do something as basic as knock back a drink would take half a day, even though the filmmakers hired the very best three-dozen marionette operators in the world. (At least all the film's "actors" always were willing to work long hours, and didn't demand personal trainers, low-carb chefs and shiatsu masseuses.)

"There are so many things that haven't worked," says Parker. Rather than rely on computer-generated special effects added in post production, the filmmakers are trying to capture every stunt live on film. "People may think it's the easiest movie in the world, but it's the hardest thing we've ever done," says Parker, who with Stone also made the movie "Orgazmo" and the TV series "That's My Bush."

It's natural to assume crafts such as costume design and set decoration would be a snap because everything is so small. The truth is exactly the opposite: The tiny scale, when projected on a giant multiplex screen, magnifies the smallest miscue. Altering a very small sports coat requires a neurosurgeon's delicate touch, and then you must accommodate the puppeteer's strings.

"On human-sized clothes, you can hide some things. Here, you can't," says costume designer Karen Patch, whose credits include "The Royal Tenenbaums" and "School of Rock." "I have to look at the costumes under a magnifying glass."

In a nod to children's books such as "I Spy" and "Look-Alikes," the movie sets and costumes are filled with repurposed everyday objects. Belt buckles are made from coins, water towers from garden hose bubblers, palm trees from shredded dollar bills. The bar in Team America's sleek, modernist headquarters is stocked with airline-size mini liquor bottles.

"We are really interested in craftsmanship," says visual consultant David Rockwell, who has designed Nobu restaurants, W Hotels and Cirque du Soleil and is making his movie-design debut on "Team America." Despite (or perhaps thanks to) all the subliminal design teases, he says, "you believe the world is realistic."

Under the radar

When Stone warns that the "Team America" footage he's about to show might be "personally distasteful," you can't help but lean forward in an editing room chair to see what's coming next.

Stone and Parker famously battled the Motion Picture Assn. of America over the rating for 1999's "South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut," narrowly missing the adults-only NC-17 mark. If the MPAA's ratings board is still drawing breath after the conclusion of "Team America's" raunchy sex scene, it is certain to give the film an equally restrictive rating.

That, of course, is the plan.

By including scenes so raw they can't even be outlined here, Stone and Parker are offering the MPAA a diversionary Trojan horse. Once they excise the sex scene's conclusion, their thinking goes, "Team America" should collect the less limiting R rating.

That won't fully protect the film from offending, however. Like "South Park," "Team America" couldn't be much more politically incorrect; the film's foreigners, for example, speak not their native languages but heavily accented gibberish.

"I think 10 minutes into the movie, people will say, 'You really are going to do the whole … thing with puppets?' " Stone says. "And you are either going to get into it, or you are going to bail."
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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matt35mm

I'm getting more and more excited for this movie.  I think these people are geniuses.

modage

Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

MacGuffin

Puppet Sex Leads to Rating Rift
The filmmakers behind 'Team America' want to get an NC-17 cut to an R, but the MPAA objects to an explicit scene. Source: Los Angeles Times

They call it puppet love.

But the folks who determine film ratings call it NC-17.

The filmmakers behind "Team America: World Police," an action-genre satire featuring a team of muscular marionettes that save the world, are butting heads with the Motion Picture Assn. of America over the film's proposed rare rating, which would bar admission to anyone younger than 17.

At the heart of the dispute is a scene in the film that shows simulated sex between the puppets. Thus far, the production team has submitted the scene nine times — each progressively less graphic — to the MPAA board, said Scott Rudin, the film's producer. Each time, the MPAA insisted that the NC-17 rating would remain unless further cuts were made, the filmmakers said. The MPAA did not return phone calls late Monday.

"It's something we all did as kids with Barbie and Ken dolls," said Trey Parker, the film's director and co-creator of the animated TV show "South Park." "The whole joke of it is that it's just two dolls flopping around on each other. You see the hinges on their legs. [The MPAA] read into it way more than we ever did…. They said you can't do anything but missionary position."

Among other things, the offending material includes shots of a male puppet simulating oral sex. The production team has already excised explicit scatological puppet sex acts in its attempt to gain an R rating, allowing entrance to teenagers under 18 when accompanied by an adult.

"There's nothing we're asking for that hasn't appeared in other R-rated movies, and our characters are made of wood and have no genitalia. If the puppets did to each other what we show them doing, all they'd get is splinters," Rudin said.

"I can appreciate the ratings board has a responsibility to its constituents. But it's incredibly enervating for us as it must be for them to have to be going through this nine times."

To help Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures, which is distributing the film, argue its case, Rudin commissioned his staff to prepare a 45-page memorandum featuring such R-rated films as "Eyes Wide Shut," "American Psycho" and "In the Cut," all of which had comparable sex acts, albeit performed by humans.

A Paramount spokesman declined to comment.

The MPAA decision has financial as well as artistic implications; an NC-17 rating limits a film's audience and thus its box-office potential.

The ratings fight is particularly tense because the filmmakers are contractually required to deliver an R-rated film, and "Team America" is due in theaters Oct. 15. That deadline is complicated by the fact that the studio is planning a sneak preview this weekend as part of its marketing campaign and the ratings issue must be settled.

The raunchy, politically incorrect film is written and directed by Matt Stone and Parker, the writing-directing team behind "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut."

That 1999 film, which featured a humorous sendup of the film ratings system, was also the subject of a protracted and very public ratings battle with the MPAA but ultimately got an R rating.

"Team America" features violent scenes in which a Tim Robbins puppet is set afire and a Susan Sarandon puppet is dropped off a 20-story building — all acts that passed MPAA muster.

"We blow Janeane Garofalo's head clean off, [but for the MPAA] it's all about the positions of the dolls having sex," Parker said. "It's not funny — it's tragic."
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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MacGuffin

Reined-in puppet love earns an 'R'
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Puppet love lives in Paramount's "Team America: World Police," though the film's creators have had to trim back the movie's puppet sex.

According to Paramount Motion Picture Group vice chairman Rob Friedman, filmmakers Matt Stone and Trey Parker received an R rating Tuesday for their political satire that features a cast of marionettes.

The rating comes after a drawn-out battle with the MPAA's ratings board over a scene that depicts simulated sex between puppets. The board initially gave the film, which centers on an international police force fighting global terrorism, an NC-17 rating.

But because of contractual obligations that require the filmmakers to deliver an R-rated product to Paramount, the production team submitted the scene with various alterations to the board 10 times before it agreed to an R rating.

The sex scene, which shows a male puppet simulating oral sex, has been trimmed, though Friedman would not give details as to what was cut to achieve the pared-down rating. The R rating will be accompanied by an MPAA explanation citing "graphic, crude and sexual humor, violent images and strong language all involving puppets."

Paramount was under pressure to solve the ratings question because it plans to screen the film in 800 theaters this weekend as part of a national sneak preview. The studio faced a deadline today for placing ads in newspapers nationwide to advertise the sneaks.

Without the R rating, Paramount would have been forced to pull the sneaks from their scheduled dates.

The film goes into national release Oct. 15.
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol


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hedwig

Quote from: MacGuffinReined-in puppet love earns an 'R'
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Puppet love lives in Paramount's "Team America: World Police," though the film's creators have had to trim back the movie's puppet sex.

According to Paramount Motion Picture Group vice chairman Rob Friedman, filmmakers Matt Stone and Trey Parker received an R rating Tuesday for their political satire that features a cast of marionettes.

The rating comes after a drawn-out battle with the MPAA's ratings board over a scene that depicts simulated sex between puppets. The board initially gave the film, which centers on an international police force fighting global terrorism, an NC-17 rating.

But because of contractual obligations that require the filmmakers to deliver an R-rated product to Paramount, the production team submitted the scene with various alterations to the board 10 times before it agreed to an R rating.

The sex scene, which shows a male puppet simulating oral sex, has been trimmed, though Friedman would not give details as to what was cut to achieve the pared-down rating. The R rating will be accompanied by an MPAA explanation citing "graphic, crude and sexual humor, violent images and strong language all involving puppets."

Paramount was under pressure to solve the ratings question because it plans to screen the film in 800 theaters this weekend as part of a national sneak preview. The studio faced a deadline today for placing ads in newspapers nationwide to advertise the sneaks.

Without the R rating, Paramount would have been forced to pull the sneaks from their scheduled dates.

The film goes into national release Oct. 15.

The MPAA = Lucifer.