se7en two?

[Keener]

This gives me hope, though. I may still be able to respect Freeman:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020724/242/d5wa0.html
Morgan Freeman denies Se7en sequel
Morgan Freeman has rejected, out-of-hand, any talk of a sequel to the thriller Se7en, the 1995 box office hit in which he co-starred with Brad Pitt.

The respected actor was speaking at the London press conference for his latest flick, The Sum Of All Fears, which opens in the UK on August 16th, when he responded to a question regarding the rumour with a curt, "Yes, I did hear the rumour, but no-one's interested in fact."

It's been reported that New Line Cinema are considering adapting a script they bought last year, which is entitled Solace, to revolve around the character played by Morgan Freeman in Se7en, Detective William Somerset.

However, the star found time to add with a smile, "There's no sequel to Se7en in the works. However, we may do Ei8ht!"

[Jeremy Blackman]

"There's no sequel to Se7en in the works. However, we may do Ei8ht!"

Wouldn't it be funny if the sequel was called Se8en?

[-dazza-]

I wasn't alive at the time, but surely there was worries about a sequel to The Godfather, and that was hardly a disaster, now was it?

Hell, I wouldn't object to them making a sequel. If it's not good don't pay any attention to it.

[cowboykurtis]

I wasn't alive at the time, but surely there was worries about a sequel to The Godfather, and that was hardly a disaster, now was it?

Hell, I wouldn't object to them making a sequel. If it's not good don't pay any attention to it.

there was a hell of a lot more material to work with in the godfather -- it dealt with the life of a whole family -- and it was very clear at the end of the first godfather, that a new page had been turned, yet nothing was over... seven 2 would just be following morgan freeman around -- this would be no different than kiss the spider or any other detective film with morgan. the unique element about the seven, was his relationship with pitt, as well as the genre bending escalation of the hunt for john doe -- it seems like a closed book at the end. id just like to think morgan's character gets the hell out of new york after that and moves to the country.

[Keener]

I don't think even Jesus Christ could write a decent script for a Se7en sequel.

[godardian]

I think Se7en is a pretty bad movie, in the first place- god forbid there should be a sequel.

The only two Fincher films I've thought weren't entirely self-indulgent feature-length TV ads/music videos were:

-The Game

and

-Panic Room

...and even those, while competent and enjoyable and well made, are hardly the work of a fresh voice in the cinema. Most all of Fincher's tricks are shallow and ill-motivated, in my opinion.

If I had to pick who's best out of all the overrated, mediocre directors, I would pick Fincher hands-down over Baz Luhrmann or Guy Ritchie. But I still don't think he belongs on this forum's list of "important" directors. He has nothing on Wes or P.T. Anderson, let alone David Lynch or Stanley Kubrick.

[cowboykurtis]

I think Se7en is a pretty bad movie, in the first place- god forbid there should be a sequel.

The only two Fincher films I've thought weren't entirely self-indulgent feature-length TV ads/music videos were:

-The Game

and

-Panic Room


If I had to pick who's best out of all the overrated, mediocre directors, I would pick Fincher hands-down over Baz Luhrmann or Guy Ritchie. .

i think the game and panic room are his 2 worst films ( i dont include alien 3) -- fincher is an amazing director -- far better than guy ritchie -- couldnt diagree with you more.

[godardian]

I think to claim anyone's better than Guy Ritchie is to damn them with the faintest of praise...  

What makes The Game and Panic Room your least favorite Finchers? I felt like those were the only two of his features that had anything more to offer than his nicely done Madonna videos (which, aside from being superior creations, also waste considerably less of your life); that were, in fact, anything resembling an actual feature film. I think it was Fight Club that really soured me on him; I found its supposedly "serious" themes and issues laughable and poorly explored, anything worthwhile sacrificed in favor of the sort of digitized, assaultive, prefab slickness Fincher seems to favor.
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[cowboykurtis]

I think to claim anyone's better than Guy Ritchie is to damn them with the faintest of praise...  

What makes The Game and Panic Room your least favorite Finchers? [/i]

the screenplays.

[children with angels]

I can totally see why you would say that about his style, but I don't think the over-the-top techniques he employed were ever for the sake of it in Fight Club. In Panic Room I'd say they were: what was with that (admittedly wonderful-to-watch) 'tracking shot' going through the house with the camera shooting through a cup handle, into and out of a lock...?! It was ridiculous (fun but ridiculous) and really got in the way of the movie for me.

Fight Club's style is I think symptomatic of the film being a completely subjective movie. The narrator tells us there are bombs in the basement: the camera fucking shoots down thirty stories, through some walls and shows them to us... He tells us he's a slave to the Ikea lifestyle: he becomes part of an Ikea catalogue...

Sensory overload is also helpful in what the film is talking about: the competing overloads of corporate-image life and the Project Mayhem life which drive Norton's character over the edge until he finds himself in a state of mind where he doen't want either of them.

But, yeah - I've head similar bad thoughts about how in-your-face the style is, but have found ways to justify them because I love the movie so damn much. (as cowboy said, mainly due to the screenplay) Besides: they just felt right the first time I saw it...

[godardian]

Well, and in in-your-face style isn't always a bad thing. Love Requiem for a Dream. Dunno... thought Pitt was terrible in Se7en, thought Fight Club was sorta hypocritical.

Let's put it this way: I feel like The Game and Panic Room, while maybe not the most original/plausible/or even coolest ideas ever, were his only films not ruined for me by the Fincher tricks. They were the right combination for me to feel like I wasn't being patronized like The Fincher Demographic Audience (macho hipsters) with wow-wild-crazy camera movements (and yes, I'll admit the big tracking shots in Panic Room were a distraction, though not nearly so dumb as some of the similar distractions he's candied up his other movies with), beer-commercial lighting, so on and so forth. They certainly did have those elements, but they weren't so overpowering, so constant a music-video barrage.  

Also, I love The Parallax View and was a sucker for the homage in The Game, and what seemed to me a Peeping Tom homage, as well (with the flashback footage).

[children with angels]

See: I didn't like Requiem For A Dream, and have always compared to Fight Club as a lesser movie because they both employ this 'in-your-face' technique, but the way Fight Club leaves you feeling afterwards is in an emotional state that's more ambiguous and interesting than Dream. I never really liked just how unsubtle Aronovsky's movie was (and I know, I know: it's not like its supposed to be) in its message - Fight Club is, in my opinion, a more interesting social critique...
But I guess that's a topic for a different thread.

I tried to give my opinion on valid reasons for the "wow-wild-crazy camera movements" you criticized in the movie. I guess you just either dig that or you don't.
The "beer comercial lighting" (great image by the way!) is definitely intentional: Fincher's trying to make the members of Fight Club (Pitt especially) look like the "David Fincher demographic"'s ideal guys to show how seductive a lifestyle their brand of nihilism can be, I reckon...

Pitt is shit in Se7en? I don't know: I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.

I definitely see your Peeping Tom reference in The Game - never thought of that before...

I think you might be right about Fincher in general perhaps being a little over surface-conscious and hollow, but I honestly think Fight Club is his masterpiece and he will doubtless never surpass it. For me, it works - oh, how it works.

[godardian]

It is subjective, I know... I think I feel the same way about Fight Club that Pauline Kael felt about Ordinary People; what it supposed to be a critical exploration of a certain theme begins, in its style and sensibility, to seem more and more like a fetishization (of pristine, repressive WASP-American suburbia in Ordinary People, of consumerism in Fight Club). I liked- still like- Ordinary People, but I just can't get around what I see as Fight Club's flaws, its failure to be as critical is it thinks it's being.

[RegularKarate]

Pauline Kael boils my blood with her bullshit.

At least you agree Guy Ritchee is about as bad as they come.

Se7en though... say what you will about Fight Club, but Se7en...

also... Panic Room is far more stylistic and gimicky than Se7en.

[godardian]

Pauline Kael boils my blood with her bullshit.

I don't think you're alone in that department... her opinions could be infuriating, especially (for me) when it came to Kubrick. But... she was a brilliant writer who knew what she was talking about, despite our disagreements with what she made of her extensive knowledge and wit.