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Reply #15 on: April 23, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
The big line towards the end, as well ó heís said in interviews that he delivered his first daughter at home during a home birth.

Iím not trying to muckrake or whip up outrage or show ďfaux-concernĒ with this. I think itís newsworthy and this whole thing (the album) definitely is PTA-related, considering the fact that the main promo article is entirely based around their relationship, and it doesnít take a rocket scientist to make specific connections from that article to this album. This line, in particular, is already stoking controversy online, and this has become one of the most acclaimed albums in years ó itís gonna get brought up.

The lines cited are just way way way too juicy and loaded to brush aside for me. I was relieved by that vulture article as well but, isnít ďthis happened to a friend of mineĒ the oldest answer-dodge in the book?


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Reply #16 on: April 23, 2020, 02:22:33 PM
I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Pringle is Fiona herself.

WTF are you even insinuating? BTW, they, meaning PTA and Fiona, lived in Los Feliz then both moved out of that house after their break up and he moved back to the Valley.



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Reply #17 on: April 23, 2020, 02:34:18 PM
Iím not Fiona Apple.

Iím implying that this song, which has direct allusions to Boogie Nights and Phantom Thread and which is directly about a Hollywood asshole snorting cocaine and pretending to be nice during awards season, which is featured on an album whose title track is about correcting the public perception of you as a crazy person based on the behavior of your ex (which is explicitly what her stories of PTA in the New Yorker article are about) ends with a line accusing this unnamed, anonymous, Hollywood awards season darling of raping her in a bed that his daughter was born in.


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Reply #18 on: April 23, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
You're doing nothing but projecting. She literally told you what the songs are about.

She said he never hit her, yet you apparently seem to think she's going to turn around and indirectly accuse him of rape? Are you really that stupid?


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Reply #19 on: April 23, 2020, 02:44:39 PM
thereís some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here


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Reply #20 on: April 23, 2020, 02:49:10 PM
thereís some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here

This is legitimately what Iím trying to get at. Iím not claiming that he absolutely abused her and he is cancelled or anything like that.

I donít want to get into arguments about the validity of this, especially considering what weíre talking about, but unless this is just a straight up uncritical PTA fanboy page, I donít see why Iíd have to be an idiot ó or Fiona Apple ó to start making these very obvious connections.


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Reply #21 on: April 23, 2020, 02:50:55 PM
Pringle, your reading of the lyrics makes sense. Apple has also mentioned how hard these subjects are when you don't want to hurt the person. For Her goes from the third person to the first person before ending with a chorus of women. To write about the Hollywood man abusing her friend, she's probably used personal memories about a certain abusive wonderboy. After all, the lyrics become a story rooted in reality. That particular story is about shared experience.

The speculation is, then, just speculation. But there's no need to act as if it were absurd, folks.


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Reply #22 on: April 23, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
thereís some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here

This is legitimately what Iím trying to get at. Iím not claiming that he absolutely abused her and he is cancelled or anything like that.

I donít want to get into arguments about the validity of this, especially considering what weíre talking about, but unless this is just a straight up uncritical PTA fanboy page, I donít see why Iíd have to be an idiot ó or Fiona Apple ó to start making these very obvious connections.

What part of "she explained what these songs are about" is too difficult for you to understand? So she's a liar now? Which is it? Not to mention actual facts I've provided that you deliberately ignored.



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Reply #23 on: April 23, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
Pringle, your reading of the lyrics makes sense. Apple has also mentioned how hard these subjects are when you don't want to hurt the person. For Her goes from the third person to the first person before ending with a chorus of women. To write about the Hollywood man abusing her friend, she's probably used personal memories about a certain abusive wonderboy. After all, the lyrics become a story rooted in reality. That particular story is about shared experience.

The speculation is, then, just speculation. But there's no need to act as if it were absurd, folks.

Oh, shut the fuck up. That's not what he was doing and you know it.


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Reply #24 on: April 23, 2020, 03:03:36 PM
Pringle doesnít need to keep explaining himself btw


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Reply #25 on: April 23, 2020, 03:09:18 PM
I haven't listened to it and I really don't want to because I can't stand her music, but I guess I have to now.

I think Pringle has been trying to get a rise in their previous posts. Just the tone is irritating and a little trollish.


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Reply #26 on: April 23, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
itís better to respond than react though


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Reply #27 on: April 23, 2020, 03:16:36 PM
Yes, it's totally cool to imply somebody is a rapist (and don't pretend that wasn't what they were doing) and not expect any pushback.


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Reply #28 on: April 23, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
a response rather than a reaction

I think Drenk did a great job. i understand that itís a triggering issue


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Reply #29 on: April 23, 2020, 03:26:02 PM
I'm going to go for a hot take here and say that all this just proves to me even more that Fiona's music is nowhere near as deep as people try to act like it is. At this point, she could record herself taking a dump and Pitchfork would have an orgasm.

This all sounds like sub-Yoko Ono dreck to me. I'm tapping out. Won't be making it to said song.