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Title: Inside Man
Post by: pete on December 07, 2005, 11:25:10 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/insideman/teaser2/

looks like one of those spike movies where he's just kinda doing it to flex his directorial muscles like 25th hour.  I'm sure it will be good but I'm not so sure if it'll be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Spike Lee
Post by: w/o horse on December 07, 2005, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: pete on December 07, 2005, 11:25:10 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/insideman/teaser2/

looks like one of those spike movies where he's just kinda doing it to flex his directorial muscles like 25th hour.  I'm sure it will be good but I'm not so sure if it'll be worthwhile.

Agreed.  But goddamn if those muscles aren't Muscle Magazine worthy.  And the story looks like golden camp.

I'm excited.
Title: Re: Spike Lee
Post by: Ravi on December 08, 2005, 12:27:26 AM
Meh.  It might be a competently made genre picture, but not much more.
Title: Re: Spike Lee
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 08, 2005, 09:31:21 AM
Quote from: Ravi on December 08, 2005, 12:27:26 AM
Meh.  It might be a competently made genre picture, but not much more.

You make that sound like it's a bad thing.


Quote from: pete on December 07, 2005, 11:25:10 PMI'm sure it will be good but I'm not so sure if it'll be worthwhile.

Put this on the marquee, please!   :bravo:
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pubrick on December 08, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
that wasn't really a teaser and the poster looks like crap. but the cast is great and now i hav to see if my guess about the twist is right, so i'll be watchin.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pwaybloe on December 09, 2005, 08:41:28 AM
Impregnating lesbians and corporate whistleblowing?  This isn't going to do well.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on December 09, 2005, 10:14:37 AM
but I rather he take those kind of risks.  she hate me was bad, but it was Spike's attempt to make a "personal film" in that those were the two things on his mind--getting paid to do it with hot ladies without emotional attachment, and those corporate assholes.  he's merged personal subjects before beautifully, such as He Got Game and Jungle Fever--She Hate Me was just off, but I rather him take those choices and make those plummets than watch "good" films like 25th hour and possibly this one.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 09, 2005, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Pubrick on December 08, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
now i hav to see if my guess about the twist is right, so i'll be watchin.

I get the feeling that we have the same twist in mind.  Though I'm not feeling too good about it.

Quote from: pete on December 09, 2005, 10:14:37 AMI rather him take those choices and make those plummets than watch "good" films like 25th hour and possibly this one.

If Spike has to pull a Linklater to get more personal films made in the future, so be it. 
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: w/o horse on December 10, 2005, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on December 09, 2005, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: pete on December 09, 2005, 10:14:37 AMI rather him take those choices and make those plummets than watch "good" films like 25th hour and possibly this one.

If Spike has to pull a Linklater to get more personal films made in the future, so be it. 

I wish you'd chosen another director here.  Were you just going with the a recent example?  I mean a lot of really great directors have taken that path.

Some asshole part of me/part of me that admires Spike Lee needed to vent that.  Continue.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Weak2ndAct on December 10, 2005, 03:07:10 AM
I've always wanted Spike to make a straight genre movie, and it seems now I get my wish (though I must admit while watching the trailer I thought 'oh, all the white people are bad,' but that's a little jaded... maybe). 
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pozer on March 25, 2006, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on December 08, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
...and now i hav to see if my guess about the twist is right, so i'll be watchin.
If you want, I'll just tell you what the twist is so you don't have to watch.  Remember when they used to start rolling out the good movies in march.     
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 25, 2006, 09:10:16 AM
A really well done genre movie that I enjoyed throughly. Spike hits it out of the park again.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Gamblour. on March 25, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
I wouldn't say he knocked it out of the park. This was better than a usual heist flick, because it's Spike Lee, so you can look forward to  crazy things happening.

MINOR SPOILERS
Like when Denzel suddenly rockets through space on the dolly with the camera, that looks completely ridiculous, but you can just say, "Oh, that Spike Lee." My girlfriend thought that was such a bizzare shot, but I said, "Well, he'd rather be bad than be mundane, and he'd rather have his voice than someone else's."

The sexist and racist jokes in the movie were peculiar. The audience laughed anytime they would happen, but is it ok to laugh at that situation? When the Arab, with as an American accent as anyone, continually says, "give me back my fucking turban." Is it really funny, or is it the fact that we see this prejudice and laugh, are meant to feel bad for laughing? I don't know.

My favorite part was the Die Hard with a Vengeance style question Clive Owen asks them. Then they start arguing over the actually logistics of the train routes, pretty funny.

END SPOILERS

Overall, better than usual crap, but in pure modageian terms, it's a rental.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: modage on March 25, 2006, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on March 25, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
Overall, better than usual crap, but in pure modageian terms, it's a rental.
it looks good, but i figured as much.  its already in my queue.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pozer on March 25, 2006, 01:31:40 PM
This whole post may be a MINOR SPOILER

Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on March 25, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
MINOR SPOILERS
Like when Denzel suddenly rockets through space on the dolly with the camera, that looks completely ridiculous, but you can just say, "Oh, that Spike Lee." My girlfriend thought that was such a bizzare shot, but I said, "Well, he'd rather be bad than be mundane, and he'd rather have his voice than someone else's."
It was awful.  Plus he already used this more effectively in 25th Hour with PSH.   

I think what pissed me off about this film was that I was liking it in the beginning but then the writing just got so weak.  Did any of you see what was coming?  I thought it was pretty obvious, but those I was with thought differently.  In the end, I felt like I missed something with the whole ring thing and how the thieves new about the secret safety deposit box in the first place, but then I figured it out:  The writing sucked.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: w/o horse on March 25, 2006, 08:08:27 PM
I liked the shit out of it.  It firmly cements Lee as versatile and capable director, one of the best we have.  All one would need to do is watch Crooklyn and then Inside Man to know this.  It also was an awakening as to the changes the face of cinema has gone through; it seemed like a post-action movie:  the idea of action, the idea of violence, the idea of suspense, but character driven, performance driven, and capably photographed.  There was a lot of stuff that didn't make too much sense, but it didn't matter, because it wasn't about the story, it was about the triggers.

I think that Lee brought along social commentary is terrific.  This isn't Do the Right Thing, okay, it isn't even Clockers; this isn't Lee's movie about racial or sexual prejudices, the point wasn't so much to make us go home and think about it as to make us see that it's ubiquitous, in any situation.  Absurd, unfair, funny, ridicuolous, contemptuous, sardonic, it happens it all sorts of ways, in all the ways in one instant.  Bank robbery, air port, videogame, missing turban.

It was sometimes exhilarating, sometimes hillarious, and always going forward.  Until the end, which was contrived in all sorts of way but what are you going to do.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: RegularKarate on March 26, 2006, 01:02:26 AM
This was exactly what I wanted from it.
It was a really well-made big-budget type cliched heist movie.  There were a few parts that I didn't quite understand or didn't make that much sense, but I just didn't care that much.

Did anyone else think that Foster was channeling Ann Coulter?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: matt35mm on March 26, 2006, 03:03:14 AM
Quote from: flagpolespecial on March 26, 2006, 02:41:49 AM
libatique is competent but i think there are better photographers about that would be dying to work with spike. it wouldn't just be because he's from new york and he's black would it? just kidding.
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Matthew Libatique is Filipino.  Maybe it depends on the picture you see of him, but he's never looked black to me.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: MacGuffin on March 26, 2006, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: flagpolespecial on March 26, 2006, 02:41:49 AMi don't know why spike didn't stick with roderigo prieto for his last two movies. maybe prieto wasn't interested.

I think it was because he was already committed to shooting Babel.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on March 26, 2006, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Losing the Horse: on March 25, 2006, 08:08:27 PM
It also was an awakening as to the changes the face of cinema has gone through; it seemed like a post-action movie:  the idea of action, the idea of violence, the idea of suspense, but character driven, performance driven, and capably photographed.  There was a lot of stuff that didn't make too much sense, but it didn't matter, because it wasn't about the story, it was about the triggers.

that sounds like a pre-action movie to me; like some humphrey bogart flick.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: w/o horse on March 26, 2006, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: pete on March 26, 2006, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Losing the Horse: on March 25, 2006, 08:08:27 PM
It also was an awakening as to the changes the face of cinema has gone through; it seemed like a post-action movie:  the idea of action, the idea of violence, the idea of suspense, but character driven, performance driven, and capably photographed.  There was a lot of stuff that didn't make too much sense, but it didn't matter, because it wasn't about the story, it was about the triggers.

that sounds like a pre-action movie to me; like some humphrey bogart flick.
No but the dialogue wasn't inspired, it was fun and sometimes funny.  Missing drug money and a hostage situation, swat cars and rooftop snipers and pizza deliveries.  Dog Day Afternoon and Serpico references.  Denzel in a truck getting Albanian ex-wives to translate presidential speeches for clemency on parking tickets.  Jodie face down on the floor going in to negotiate a deal.  Dirty papers and the good for nothing always going to jail brother who lives next door while you bang the sister.

It was all the stuff of a 90s action movie besides the action.  Many times removed from the days of Bogart.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pozer on March 26, 2006, 12:29:32 PM
So why is a cliched movie with a weak/confusing plot and the main cop character spouting witty comebacks so entertaining?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Gamblour. on March 26, 2006, 02:21:43 PM
Haha wow I just realized how literal the title is.

It's entertaining because it really tries to avoid being a heist movie. Every little joke, the sexism/racism, the video game, the interrorgation inserts, the self-awareness that it is like Dog Day Afternoon, but instead of character-driven it is plot-driven-away-from. It's really caught up in the "what else" instead of the "what?" I don't think it's pre or post, it's more like an Extra-action movie. It focuses on the bubble outside of the heist.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: cron on March 26, 2006, 07:51:15 PM
 best line in the movie "thank you, bank robber." it was  very solid .  i loved jodie's bitchness and clive's badassness and denzel's baldness. and i can't believe i got to see it the same weekend that you guys did.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: ©brad on March 27, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
wow, this is getting rave reviews. 90% at rottentoamtoes and all positives at www.movies.com.

Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2006, 01:14:49 PM
I saw this film last night, and i also really enjoyed it.  The length hasn't been discussed here yet, so that tells me that it did the same for you guys as it did for me.  It felt almost like a television series, or something, weather that is good or bad, I'm not sure.  I seriously remember one point thinking about how funny it would be if the screen said "Intermission" and we got a 15 minute stretch break.  But, i thought that the Spoiler denzel shot, added a little something to it, and also, the shot's in the interrogation room had a whole different tone.  I wasn't expecting a heist film, i thought it was going to be more clever and thought based...The actual twist i thought was going to happen was Not spoiler, or maybe it is i thought denzel would be involved, or something, like Jodie, or something, who knows what i thought...I kind of pictured it trying something like that...I left the film not wanting to talk about it, and films that do that i really like, i mean i just wanted to kind of think of it as a whole, and i decided that it was fun, and shocking, and i really thought the elements came together well...The ring thing though, i didn't get too involved with it, because there wasn't much attachment to it. So, when the police officers started to care about it, i kind of did, then when they dropped it, i did as well...It made me think of primer...All the characters are saying all this shit and you have no idea what they're talking about, all you know is that, they know what they're talking about...I'll probably change my mind on alot of stuff, but i think for now this is what i thought of it.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: RegularKarate on March 27, 2006, 01:32:16 PM
haha... I think you spilled your jar of incomplete thoughts
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2006, 01:54:59 PM
I definitely do that, but I'm not really into tactical posts, i just go with it, maybe i should work on that?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Pozer on March 27, 2006, 02:00:31 PM
Don't take my word at all regarding this movie.  Sounds like I'm the only one who didn't enjoy it.  Guess I was in the wrong mood or something.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: matt35mm on March 27, 2006, 09:37:15 PM
SPOILER QUESTION






How did Dalton know about the old man's secret?






END SPOILER




I liked it.  I liked the music--it added a lot to a Spike Lee vibe, which ran throughout the film, not counting the obvious "Spike Lee shots."  Some of the revelations aren't very surprising, because you expect that it's not as it seems in the first place.  Other than that, it was made with such fun and joy for filmmaking, and that kept me entertained the whole time.  I really didn't care about the things that don't make that much sense.  I never really do.

B+
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: The Perineum Falcon on March 28, 2006, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: matt35mm on March 27, 2006, 09:37:15 PM
SPOILER QUESTION






How did Dalton know about the old man's secret?






END SPOILER
He could smell it.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 28, 2006, 01:11:52 PM
Spoiler Answer


My assumption was just that he was just a smart man, looking for that perfect time/place, which he found...That's just what i thought though.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: matt35mm on March 28, 2006, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 28, 2006, 01:11:52 PM
Spoiler Answer


My assumption was just that he was just a smart man, looking for that perfect time/place, which he found...That's just what i thought though.

MORE SPOILERS



But being smart doesn't answer why he knew about something that was kept a total secret since 1948.  Not even his being an "inside man" answers that.  At the very best, he would be able to access a file that showed that slot 324 or whatever it was didn't exist, but there would be no way to know what was in it.  I expected it to be revealed that he was maybe related to the old man, or somebody that the old man stole from back in the old days...  but it was never really answered.  He just knew this thing that hasn't been mentioned since it was locked away before he was born.


Other than that, though, I didn't really care about or even notice the other things that didn't quite add up.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 28, 2006, 01:32:07 PM
Spoiler

here goes my reasoning, there was a guy in on the job who worked there...So, that guy found out, he was another inside man...So, maybe that was it...Maybe the guy who worked there, found out that there was no number for lock box 392 or whatever number it was...Could that be a possability?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: RegularKarate on March 28, 2006, 11:33:35 PM
What?

anyway, Matt, I'm quite sure that the "how did he know?" question is intentionally unanswered because who gives a fuck?  He found out.  Do you really need the specific way he found out?  okay... well, he clearly knew some old jewish dudes and some other old german dudes and some other old swiss dudes and he heard this and that and did his research then figured out what must be in the box.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: matt35mm on March 29, 2006, 02:11:40 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 28, 2006, 11:33:35 PM

anyway, Matt, I'm quite sure that the "how did he know?" question is intentionally unanswered because who gives a fuck?  He found out.  Do you really need the specific way he found out?  okay... well, he clearly knew some old jewish dudes and some other old german dudes and some other old swiss dudes and he heard this and that and did his research then figured out what must be in the box.

Oh, I don't really care.  I gave it a B+, and my question doesn't really affect the grade.  I definitely don't need a specific way, and your reasoning makes sense... I didn't really think about his old jew associates.  I guess it wasn't really that well guarded of a secret on the part of the old man, though, huh?

And thanks for capitalizing the first letter of my name.  Most people seem to deliberately de-capitalize it because of my screenname (in posts that have otherwise correct capitalization of everything), and it always strikes me as odd.  End tangent.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 29, 2006, 02:38:53 PM
One of the people in on the job worked at the bank, so don't get fucking cocky and "what?" me...I'm not making it up, it's real, so that was me suggesting a possibility, check your ego.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: ©brad on March 29, 2006, 03:47:16 PM
you suck at life.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 29, 2006, 04:04:14 PM
Thanks, I appreciate that, rather than you tell me that i was incorrect, i appreciate knowing that.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: RegularKarate on March 30, 2006, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 29, 2006, 02:38:53 PM
One of the people in on the job worked at the bank, so don't get fucking cocky and "what?" me...I'm not making it up, it's real, so that was me suggesting a possibility, check your ego.

I don't know how saying "what?" means I need to "check my ego".
How does someone used to work at the bank leads to him knowing what was in the box and what it meant?  aka "what?"
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Gamblour. on March 30, 2006, 12:53:41 PM
Ah the power of overreading a comment. RK, your attitude is out of control. I know you didn't say anything to me, but the way you replied to my simpsons post....you crossed the line, mister.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Neil on March 30, 2006, 02:46:14 PM
This is what i remember, and i quite possibly could be wrong because I've lost alot of brain cells since i watched it, but I'm pretty sure this is what happened.Spoiler After Dalton leaves the bank, and gets in the car, this old man who worked in the bank said "what about the ring?" and Dalton says "I left it there" so then it does this one shot and it's just on the old man, then i realized that he worked in the bank, so, i kind of figured that with a guy who is old, and who works in the bank possibly he knew the dirt on this guy, and i suppose that could have possibly happened.  I thought my first post made more sense than to get a "what" maybe i was wrong.  Weather or not this is even right, this is just an assumption, i mean i just thought maybe this could be a possibility, but maybe it's incorrect, so I'm not sure, i just trying to think about it, did you guys not remember this part with the old man?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: Sleepless on April 04, 2006, 11:00:19 AM
I may be wrong, I've only seen the film once, but my recollection is that the old Jewish guy didn't actually work in the bank, he was in there pretending to be a clint of the bank when the other robbers came in dressed as painters. That was what I thought for the whole film, but I guess I could be wrong.

Either way, I really enjoyed the movie. Awesome. And yes, I loved 25th Hour too. As for the Denzel shot, Spike Lee has used that shot many times before in far better ways, and although it jarred somewhat within the style of the rest of the film, the more I think about it the more I like it here. It's a visual expression of what Denzel's character's mental state it - oh fuck I've fucked it up.

Anyways - did anyone else think that the last scene with the five robbers in the car (with the Jewish guy there having got revenge on the Nazi war criminal) smack as something out of Munich? At the end of the day, this is a Spike Lee film, and themes of racism are always going to be present. I thought it was a very interesing addition to Spike's catalogue, and I can't wait to own the DVD.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on April 06, 2006, 10:57:29 PM
SPOILER DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SPOILER

I thought that old Jewish guy, who was the diamond expert who gave Frazer advices on diamonds, was the same guy who ordered Dalton to pulled the robbery in the first place, and I just assumed that he, as a Jewish diamond expert, had something to do with the ring that belonged to the Parisian family.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: MacGuffin on April 07, 2006, 01:41:37 PM
Blanchard does right for Lee's 'Man' score
By Sheigh Crabtree; Hollywood Reporter

The opening and closing musical tracks of Spike Lee's "Inside Man" immediately attracted the attention of film critics and moviegoers alike because Lee chose an unexpected piece of Bollywood music as a curtain-raiser for his urban thriller.

Online discussion boards, particularly iTunes' "Inside Man" soundtrack homepage, were swamped with demands for the single "Chaiyya Chaiyya Bollywood Joint."

Longtime Lee composer Terence Blanchard says the song, which originally was featured in the 1998 Bollywood hit "Dil Se," is in perfect keeping with the director's distinct musical choices.

"To me it goes right back to when Spike did 'Do the Right Thing' and he used (Public Enemy's) 'Fight the Power'," Blanchard says. "He is a serious music lover and he knew ("Chaiyya Chaiyya") would create a unique viewing experience; it sends you off in an unexpected direction thinking in an expanded tonal palette for the picture."

Blanchard lightly rearranged composer AR Rahman's original track for the film by beefing up the song's orchestration with some strings, horns, brass and timpani, and he also tried to extend the musical structure of the song without being redundant.

Then the composer and the director brought in Panjabi MC to add hip-hop lyrics that play on the song's original themes of cultural divides.

The instrumentation also connects with Blanchard's jazzy original score for the film that the song bookends. And though Lee generally gives Blanchard a lot of room to create musical ideas around his images, the way they reached the song choice for "Inside Man" was slightly unusual even by the standards of their long-running relationship. "We hadn't had any musical conversations about the movie until he started to cut the picture together," Blanchard says. "Whereas on (the Golden Globe nominated score for) '25th Hour,' Spike told me to get prepared for wall-to-wall music."

When Blanchard saw a rough cut, the first thing that struck him was its distinct look and Denzel Washington and Clive Owen's performances.

"I said, I know the music has to have an aggressive pulse to it given those characters," Blanchard says. "But it's always interesting working with Spike -- he loves melody."

Of the previous films on which they have worked, Lee always has asked Blanchard for a CD of distinct themes, which the director then assigns to different characters. The same was true but with a twist on "Inside Man."

"Spike picked one of the prettiest themes and gave it to Dalton (Owen's character) who's supposed to be bad guy!" Blanchard laughs. "I said, You sure you want to do that? He always tries to go for some unique and different choices and by doing that he creates a challenging narrative that also helps tell the story."

Blanchard wrote the score over four weeks and recorded it with more than 60 orchestra members for four days at Todd-AO in Los Angeles.

But just days before he was set to record the score, Hurricane Katrina wiped out Blanchard's childhood home in New Orleans. He was unable to find his mother for two weeks.

The composer's story of personal loss will be documented in Lee's upcoming documentary "When the Levees Broke."

"Trust me, it's hard for people to fathom the vastness of the tragedy," Blanchard says. "We have friends who survived, but lost everything and died from broken hearts. Working on the 'Inside Man' score was a Godsend for me. When you hear the Dalton themes in the beginning, it's also what was going on with Katrina in my mind. Music was a great outlet during that period."
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: edison on April 07, 2006, 10:32:22 PM
I really liked this one, didn't lag at all to me and as stated before it did feel like some t.v. show, and I mean that in a good way, if thats at all possible. I have always liked Clive and he was really badass in this, as well as Denzel. The argument over the logistics of Dalton's trick question was funny. Can't wait to buy this one.

So it was mentioned that the jewish guy started this as revenge for Case being Nazi friendly but what is really funny to me is that they drive off in a Touareg!

Here is a neat pic of the signature Lee shot http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/3241/2319/hi/cof.jpg

Anyone catch the name on the pizza box, Sal's, or the bottle of booze from Bamboozled, kinda neat throw-ins
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: killafilm on April 10, 2006, 03:24:07 PM
This was fun.

I haven't read this thread so I don't know what others have said.  Both Denzel and Clive are really good.  Somehow Jodi Foster ended up being the weakest part of the movie.  At least for me.  I couldn't tell that it was a Spike Lee 'joint' while watching it.  It seemed like a genre pic that a young Lee admirer would have made.  Throw in a couple of cool shots and a few tangets about racism and bring to a boil.  But all of the twist and turns, and what seems like an odd villain for 2006, make this a fun ride.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: hedwig on April 17, 2006, 04:12:33 AM
i saw this a couple weeks ago but i haven't been feeling reviewy :yabbse-undecided:

spoils
it's an excellent piece of entertainment lathered in spike lee sauce. (:shock:) in other words, i really liked it quite a bit, as much as LTH if not more. everyone's talking about whether it's a post-extra-pre-whatever action film and that's all good, but what i really liked was its giddy way of peeling away the layers to expose that this heist movie wasn't a heist movie, the bank robbery wasn't a bank robbery, that the real criminal wasn't the one ransacking the bank and shouting curses and wielding a gun, but seated calmly behind an office desk struggling to conceal his amoral deeds. haha, an excellent little summary of modern history, in a way. libatique's cinematography is so effective and colorful. it really fits spike's visual sense quite wonderfully. i like that everyone's pointing out how funny it is cause that's something people seem to ignore when discussing spike's movies, a lot of them are hilarious, including DTRT.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on April 20, 2006, 12:09:15 AM
man, it's kinda sad to see that all the things in the film that irked you are things you consider "non-plot-related", and it's kinda sad to see that you're so conditioned to following this plot or arc or whatever that you can't enjoy a scene a shot or an actor without thinking about its relevance to the "plot."
also, explain "densel reiving his role as the empowered black man" so I can be an even bigger asshole in my subsequent post.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: polkablues on August 15, 2006, 02:26:42 AM
To those considering listening to Spike's commentary: spend two hours poking yourself in the eye instead.  I guarantee you'll feel it was time better spent.

I can't even imagine what his NYU classes must be like, after listening to a movie's worth of such insightful gems as, "This is the part where the bank robbers get out of the van," and "I really like this crane shot."  Wow, Spike!  Do tell!  Now can you list the films you've made with Denzel Washington and mispronounce Willem Dafoe's name about twenty times?  You can?  Nifty!

Now, this wasn't quite the worst commentary I've ever heard (that would be John Carpenter on "In the Mouth of Madness", in which he convinced me that he had never even seen the movie, much less directed it), but it may in fact be the most pointless.  I could learn more about the movie from the back of the DVD case than I could from listening to Spike Lee talk about it for two hours.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: matt35mm on August 15, 2006, 02:31:08 AM
Quote from: polkablues on August 15, 2006, 02:26:42 AM
Now, this wasn't quite the worst commentary I've ever heard (that would be John Carpenter on "In the Mouth of Madness", in which he convinced me that he had never even seen the movie, much less directed it)
Don't let that turn you off of all of Carpenter's commentaries.  The commentary with him and Kurt Russell for Big Trouble in Little China is great.  Okay, yeah, they don't really talk about the movie that often.  But they are fun to listen to.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: children with angels on August 15, 2006, 07:22:01 AM
Quote from: matt35mm on August 15, 2006, 02:31:08 AM
Quote from: polkablues on August 15, 2006, 02:26:42 AM
Now, this wasn't quite the worst commentary I've ever heard (that would be John Carpenter on "In the Mouth of Madness", in which he convinced me that he had never even seen the movie, much less directed it)
Don't let that turn you off of all of Carpenter's commentaries.  The commentary with him and Kurt Russell for Big Trouble in Little China is great.  Okay, yeah, they don't really talk about the movie that often.  But they are fun to listen to.

Yeah - shouldn't let it turn you off other Lee commentaries either: his ones for Do The Right Thing and She Hate me are great. Haven't heard the Inside Man one yet though, and based on this I might not bother: I hate it when people waste the great opportunity that a commentary provides by just going, "Yeah, this shot took ages to get right..."
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: MacGuffin on August 15, 2006, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: polkablues on August 15, 2006, 02:26:42 AM
To those considering listening to Spike's commentary: spend two hours poking yourself in the eye instead.  I guarantee you'll feel it was time better spent.

I can't even imagine what his NYU classes must be like, after listening to a movie's worth of such insightful gems as, "This is the part where the bank robbers get out of the van," and "I really like this crane shot."  Wow, Spike!  Do tell!  Now can you list the films you've made with Denzel Washington and mispronounce Willem Dafoe's name about twenty times?  You can?  Nifty!

Now, this wasn't quite the worst commentary I've ever heard (that would be John Carpenter on "In the Mouth of Madness", in which he convinced me that he had never even seen the movie, much less directed it), but it may in fact be the most pointless.  I could learn more about the movie from the back of the DVD case than I could from listening to Spike Lee talk about it for two hours.

Agreed, especially when he laughs at his own movie. I've never been a fan of his tracks. (Yes, Spike, we know Denzel was robbed an Oscar for Malcolm X.) Their forgetable right when the movie's over.


And I think Rob Reiner does the worst commentaries.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on August 15, 2006, 01:33:14 PM
I had this roommate who once challenged me to sit through the commentary for bamboozled.  like, we both just sat there and he was stoned, and he said the first one to turn it off loses.  I lost.  but I think the only reason he could stand it was because he was stoned.
he spoke in the most awkward rhythm, like he was on the phone with someone and then saw a car crash and trying to continue the conversation or something.  and then he would laugh at his own jokes (I never thought any of his jokes were laugh-out-loud funny) and then give props and shoutouts to random people.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: modage on August 19, 2006, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: modage on March 25, 2006, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on March 25, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
Overall, better than usual crap, but in pure modageian terms, it's a rental.
it looks good, but i figured as much.  its already in my queue.
indeed it was.  the actors were good  and the setup was interesting enough to hook me right away.  but it wasnt much more.  i did appreciate SPOILERS that the 'bad guys' got away with it.  and that they werent really bad anyhow, and the good guys were kind of the bad guys END SPOILERS so for that it was definitely better than a typical heist picture.  the denzel shot was the best part, so i wish there had been a little more spike in this.  oh, and the music was insane, from the opening closing eastern tinged song to the HEAVY orchestral pumping up the drama stuff, to the CRAZY AS HELL bassline during the scene towards the end with denzel and his girlfriend. it was a perfect rental. 

and i agree with pete on his theory on how/who commisioned dalton to pull this off, atleast thats what i was thinking when i watched it.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: MacGuffin on November 02, 2006, 01:45:21 AM
'Inside' team takes another U turn
Helmer Lee leverages 'Man' sequel
Source: Variety

Spike Lee and Brian Grazer are developing a sequel to "Inside Man" for Universal Pictures and Imagine Entertainment.

Lee is still in negotiations on a helming deal for the project, but he's already working with the original's writer, Russell Gewirtz, on a script.

For now, the pair are keeping their sequel concept under wraps, including whether it would involve the return of the original's main characters, played by Denzel Washington, Clive Owen and Jodie Foster.

Bank heist thriller became the biggest-grossing pic in Lee's helming career, earning $184 million at the worldwide box office earlier this year.

Sequel is now on a list of several projects Lee is considering for his next helming gig.

In addition to "Man," this year Lee also directed Hurricane Katrina docu "When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts" for HBO.
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: pete on November 02, 2006, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on November 02, 2006, 01:45:21 AM
Hurricane Katrina docu

is it like su docu but with floods and racism?
Title: Re: Inside Man
Post by: MacGuffin on November 15, 2006, 11:29:12 AM
'Inside' work, and an inside job
Source: Los Angeles Times

Russell Gewirtz has burglary on the brain. As of last week, the 41-year-old screenwriter was working on breaking the stories (industry-speak for developing the story outlines) for two very different heist movies: a potential sequel to his first script, "Inside Man," and an untitled thriller starring Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock as Trump Tower janitors who scheme to rip off its luxury tenants.

Bill Collage and Adam Cooper ("New York Minute," "Accepted") wrote the first draft of the Trump project, from an original Murphy idea. But when Imagine Entertainment came to Gewirtz for a rewrite, he pitched a take in which an unsuccessful, oh-so-last-millennium high-tech heist is pointedly juxtaposed against the decidedly low-tech but no less artful plot of a couple of blue-collar guys with much more to gain and more believable motives. It's "a bit lighter than 'Inside Man' while still aiming to hit those clever plot twists," says the Long Island native.

Brett Ratner ("X-Men: The Last Stand") is attached to direct the film in March (with the Donald's unavoidable participation), when all the principals next have a free window.

Gewirtz's "Inside Man," which starred Denzel Washington, Jodie Foster and Clive Owen, turned out to be Spike Lee's biggest hit. After earning $184 million worldwide this year, a sequel seemed an inevitability — especially when Gewirtz informed everyone involved that he already had an idea for a continuation of the story that included the return of several of the main characters.

Originally slated for Imagine's Ron Howard, who at one point had worked on a rewrite with Gewirtz until Russell Crowe became available to do "Cinderella Man," "Inside Man" later passed into the hands of writer-director Menno Meyjes ("Max," co-writer of "The Siege"), who drastically changed the script over 18 months. The project had effectively stalled, and Gewirtz shelved his sequel idea, which would no longer work given the shape of the Meyjes rewrite.

But in one of those lucky Hollywood twists of fate, Lee independently happened to read Gewirtz's earlier script the day before a meeting with Imagine producer Brian Grazer, whom he spontaneously pitched on reviving the project by reverting to the Gewirtz-Howard version.

Two weeks ago, Lee announced that he is considering "Inside Man 2" for his next directing project. Also on Lee's short list is the supernatural thriller "Selling Time," about a man given the opportunity to trade years off the end of his life for a chance to change his worst days, which the director has recently rewritten. For the last five years, the Fox project has floated through different hands, but this summer it attracted the attention of new United Artists savior Tom Cruise, who has had conversations with Lee about working on it together.

"The fact that we've reached the point of wanting a sequel [to 'Inside Man'] is a victory," says Gewirtz, given the original screenplay's near-death experience. "And the fact that I already had one ready to go makes it even sweeter for me."