Johnny Depp is the best pirate ever.

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#45
July 17, 2003, 01:40:03 PM
No love interest, no real hero?  Wow, that's a REAL story.  Sounds promising.

chainsmoking insomniac

#46
July 17, 2003, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: ewardsomeone needs to make a movie about pirates as they actually were, as adult and foul and brutal and gory as can be.  i think its time for that.

My friend is writing one as we speak. I'm helping him do a rewrite. It's gonna be like the Scarface/Gangs Of New York of pirate movies. I think it's fucking amazing. But he has no love interest, and no real "hero", and an estimated budget of 50+ million, and about a 3 hour running time.... so that rules out commercial investors, doesn't it? If somebody wants to take a chance on this film, it will be THE pirate movie.

Tell you what...give me till Christmas, and maybe I'll have waited enough tables to help finance this thing....:)

Seriously, will it be Tarantino-ish in that the main character is the "anti-hero"?
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SoNowThen

#47
July 17, 2003, 01:57:38 PM
No, it's more like... hmmm, I don't wanna be hasty and fuck this explanation up. It kinda follows a guy's rise from galley slave through to pirate and then on to more and more power and fame. It's also somewhat based (very) loosely on Henry Morgan, as well as one of the central pirate locations of those times: Port Royal, Jamaica. He's put a lot of research into this.

When I say "not a hero", it's really because the guy learns to attain power, and becomes a fierce and merciless pirate, and no one in their right mind would consider him a role model.

There's a lot of misconceptions about pirates, and how they operated -- especially in the earlier days of the Brethern (sp?) Of The Coast, when piracy was commissioned by both England and Spain to fight each other. Anyway, I'm telling too much...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

ono

#48
July 17, 2003, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenNo, it's more like... hmmm, I don't wanna be hasty and fuck this explanation up. It kinda follows a guy's rise from galley slave through to pirate and then on to more and more power and fame.
*cough*PrincessBride*cough*  ;)

SoNowThen

#49
July 17, 2003, 02:26:17 PM
No, not at all. I left out the last half of our story. Trust me -- NOT at all like Princess Bride. More like Ben Hur, if Ben Hur got really power mad and fucked up at the end.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Cecil

#50
July 17, 2003, 03:09:46 PM
sounds pretty good

Alethia

#51
July 17, 2003, 03:12:25 PM
i cant wait to hear more about it.

SoNowThen

#52
July 17, 2003, 03:13:49 PM
Yeah, he's been toiling on it for 3 years now, with my help mainly coming for the last year. Lots of shit has come and gone (including a love interest subplot which I convinced him to oust). We plan to have a showable draft of the script by mid next year.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Mesh

#53
July 21, 2003, 03:46:50 PM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickI thought that the movie wasn't bad at all... my only complaint would be that the story and situations were such rip offs of Star Wars (a new hope)... Bloom's character was totally Luke Skywalker... had a mysterious past, the son of a great leader who was a good man (but obviously was bad because he was a pirate), the Obiwan Kenobi inside of Sparrow, the scene with all of the hookers where they find a crew (total Mos Eisley Cantina), certain scenes with Barbosa looking like the emporer on the death star, the last scene where sparrow is almost hung (shot similarly to how star wars ends with the awards presentation)... hell, Keira Knightley was even IN episode 1!!! This movie just begs for a prequel trilogy!

Good points, and I noticed them, too, but Star Wars itself was more or less a space-swashbuckler.  At worst, PotC:TCotBP borrowed from Star Wars, which in turn borrowed from Kurosawa and swashbucklers....

Interesting observation, but I wouldn't knock PotC:TCotBP on that basis alone...

SoNowThen

#54
July 21, 2003, 03:54:57 PM
really, PotC:TCotBP... we may as well just write out the title, yeah? That's the longest, most ridiculous title substitute ever...
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Mesh

#55
July 22, 2003, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenreally, PotC:TCotBP... we may as well just write out the title, yeah? That's the longest, most ridiculous title substitute ever...

Fine, POTC.

:roll:

SoNowThen

#56
July 22, 2003, 07:20:44 PM
Hehehe. It's better.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Pozer

#57
July 22, 2003, 07:47:34 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenreally, PotC:TCotBP... we may as well just write out the title, yeah? That's the longest, most ridiculous title substitute ever...

hahahahaha that's hilarious

Pwaybloe

#58
July 28, 2003, 08:47:29 AM
I finally saw it this weekend.  Absolutely loved it.  

Everything good has already been said, so I'll just recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

MacGuffin

#59
August 03, 2003, 11:21:09 PM
Quote from: mindfuckI don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. Depp was brilliant. I loved noticing that he seemed to borrow some of his movement patterns and hand gestures from his Fear and Loathing performance.

I'm in total agreement. I throughly enjoyed it, got to be a little long towards the end, but was the perfect summer action movie.

Also, having ridden the Disneyland ride many, many times, it was pretty funny seeing all the references to the ride; the Mickey Mouse ears in the clouds, luring the dog with the bone, the drunk laying against the pigs, etc.
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