Loose Change - 9/11 conspiracy truth

[Jeremy Blackman]

NOTE: THIS DISCUSSION WAS SPLIT FROM ANOTHER THREAD.

I was able to download Loose Change. Everyone should seriously see this. Even if you're not interested in 9/11. You will be.

There's sourced, detailed, incontrovertible evidence here. I'd like to see anyone try to refute this. If before I thought "probably," now I'm thinking "definitely." Seriously. See the movie, and see what you think of the evidence. There's absolutely no reason to believe the official story... it's absurd in light of the evidence, and it's horrifying that the media has refused to reveal what's screamingly obvious, especially when mainstream sources have connected so many of the dots of what is now a clear picture. It's horrifying that the official story is blindly believed while so few people can bring themselves to consider the reality. It's also horrifying, of course, that our government has done this... and that thought in the abstract is pretty difficult to wrap your head around, but here it's absolutely concrete.

It's about and hour and 20 minutes long. And the production value is extremely high (well, except for a few awkward voiceover moments, but it was made by three college students).

Here's the torrent I used. (And if you find a different one, be sure it's the 2nd edition.)

They did leave a few things out (or only mentioned them briefly), especially the evidence that the planes that hit the towers were military aircraft and fired missiles moments before impact. (I brought this up a while ago in this thread, and there are pictures and video from most of the networks that support this.) Also missing (mostly) is the Saudi connection, which might be kind of obvious, but it's crucial.

[ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ]

They did leave a few things out (or only mentioned them briefly), especially the evidence that the planes that hit the towers were military aircraft and fired missiles moments before impact. (I brought this up a while ago in this thread, and there are pictures and video from most of the networks that support this.) Also missing (mostly) is the Saudi connection, which might be kind of obvious, but it's crucial.

You could miss a lot on the 9/11 scandal and there would still be a lot of support on what you did know.  This isn't just a theory by some cryptologist, this situation is glaringly apparent.

[squints]

I was able to download Loose Change. Everyone should seriously see this. Even if you're not interested in 9/11. You will be.

There's sourced, detailed, incontrovertible evidence here. I'd like to see anyone try to refute this. If before I thought "probably," now I'm thinking "definitely." Seriously. See the movie, and see what you think of the evidence. There's absolutely no reason to believe the official story... it's absurd in light of the evidence, and it's horrifying that the media has refused to reveal what's screamingly obvious, especially when mainstream sources have connected so many of the dots of what is now a clear picture. It's horrifying that the official story is blindly believed while so few people can bring themselves to consider the reality. It's also horrifying, of course, that our government has done this... and that thought in the abstract is pretty difficult to wrap your head around, but here it's absolutely concrete.

It's about and hour and 20 minutes long. And the production value is extremely high (well, except for a few awkward voiceover moments, but it was made by three college students).

Here's the torrent I used. (And if you find a different one, be sure it's the 2nd edition.)

They did leave a few things out (or only mentioned them briefly), especially the evidence that the planes that hit the towers were military aircraft and fired missiles moments before impact. (I brought this up a while ago in this thread, and there are pictures and video from most of the networks that support this.) Also missing (mostly) is the Saudi connection, which might be kind of obvious, but it's crucial.

holy shit man...i just watched this. what an amazing fascinating and yes, horrifying documentary. The fact they point out that is so obvious but yet so surprising is the video evidence of a controlled demolition. after seeing this i was honestly in a state of existential despair...what the hell is going on in this country? how the fuck did this happen? so many questions. all of my friends who watched it with me...most of those who called fahrenheit 911 propaganda bullshit were speechless, there is absolutely no denying most of the evidence this film puts forth. You're right JB everyone! should see this.

[Pedro]

I was able to download Loose Change. Everyone should seriously see this. Even if you're not interested in 9/11. You will be.

There's sourced, detailed, incontrovertible evidence here. I'd like to see anyone try to refute this. If before I thought "probably," now I'm thinking "definitely." Seriously. See the movie, and see what you think of the evidence. There's absolutely no reason to believe the official story... it's absurd in light of the evidence, and it's horrifying that the media has refused to reveal what's screamingly obvious, especially when mainstream sources have connected so many of the dots of what is now a clear picture. It's horrifying that the official story is blindly believed while so few people can bring themselves to consider the reality. It's also horrifying, of course, that our government has done this... and that thought in the abstract is pretty difficult to wrap your head around, but here it's absolutely concrete.

It's about and hour and 20 minutes long. And the production value is extremely high (well, except for a few awkward voiceover moments, but it was made by three college students).

Here's the torrent I used. (And if you find a different one, be sure it's the 2nd edition.)

They did leave a few things out (or only mentioned them briefly), especially the evidence that the planes that hit the towers were military aircraft and fired missiles moments before impact. (I brought this up a while ago in this thread, and there are pictures and video from most of the networks that support this.) Also missing (mostly) is the Saudi connection, which might be kind of obvious, but it's crucial.

holy shit man...i just watched this. what an amazing fascinating and yes, horrifying documentary. The fact they point out that is so obvious but yet so surprising is the video evidence of a controlled demolition. after seeing this i was honestly in a state of existential despair...what the hell is going on in this country? how the fuck did this happen? so many questions. all of my friends who watched it with me...most of those who called fahrenheit 911 propaganda bullshit were speechless, there is absolutely no denying most of the evidence this film puts forth. You're right JB everyone! should see this.

hey, now you don't even have to download it!!

[polkablues]

Gut-wrenching.  That was the first time I'd seen the photos of the Pentagon before the ceiling came down, and I'll be damned if that's not a totally cylindrical hole in the side of that building.  Where are the holes where the wings went through the building?  If the wings hit so hard that they disintegrated on impact, why aren't the windows right next to the hole even damaged?

And my god... the balls on whoever thought they could get away with showing people an empty V-shaped crater in a field and telling them it was a plane crash!

I'd heard all the theories before and everything, but this was the most systematic dismantling of the official story I've seen.  The part where they're pointing out in the video footage of the towers collapsing all the spots where you can see detonations lower in the buildings... "Here... and here... and here.... and here... and here.... and here... and here... and here......"  Just... wow.  Speechless.

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The part where they're pointing out in the video footage of the towers collapsing all the spots where you can see detonations lower in the buildings... "Here... and here... and here.... and here... and here.... and here... and here... and here......"  Just... wow.  Speechless.

that's the part that had my jaw dropping and my gut turning.

[Reinhold]

i just bought both editions on ebay. i'll try to get them screened here.

[Pedro]

The part where they're pointing out in the video footage of the towers collapsing all the spots where you can see detonations lower in the buildings... "Here... and here... and here.... and here... and here.... and here... and here... and here......"  Just... wow.  Speechless.

that's the part that had my jaw dropping and my gut turning.

terrorists can control demolitions too

[squints]

I know!!

<-----------terrorist

The part where they're pointing out in the video footage of the towers collapsing all the spots where you can see detonations lower in the buildings... "Here... and here... and here.... and here... and here.... and here... and here... and here......"  Just... wow.  Speechless.

that's the part that had my jaw dropping and my gut turning.

terrorists can control demolitions too

[pete]

I also found this, what do people think?

[ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ]

The part where they're pointing out in the video footage of the towers collapsing all the spots where you can see detonations lower in the buildings... "Here... and here... and here.... and here... and here.... and here... and here... and here......"  Just... wow.  Speechless.

that's the part that had my jaw dropping and my gut turning.

terrorists can control demolitions too

The thing that's argued is that demolitions of that magnitude take weeks to set up, maybe days if you have a big crew working diligently, which assumes that either we're dealing with very patient ninjas, or people in the trade centers were collaborating with the demolitions set up.

[squints]

ninjas!! i knew it

[polkablues]

The thing that's argued is that demolitions of that magnitude take weeks to set up, maybe days if you have a big crew working diligently, which assumes that either we're dealing with very patient ninjas, or people in the trade centers were collaborating with the demolitions set up.

Exactly.  The movie details the very unusual regrouping of security teams in the towers a few weeks before 9/11, which would have been the only opportunity anyone would have had to plant explosives that extensively.  Seeing as al Quaeda doesn't have operational authority over WTC security, this was set up by whomever did.

I also found this, what do people think?

That's interesting, but none of the pictures they showed on that site actually refute the no-plane theory.  It shows areas around the main hole that could possibly be wing damage, but that still leaves the question unanswered of how the wings (along with any other recognizable wreckage that might actually be from a Boeing jet) completely disintegrated and/or melted in the sub-1100 degree fire that ensued.

[modage]

yeah, this was amazing.  it made me sick. 

[Pedro]

The thing that's argued is that demolitions of that magnitude take weeks to set up, maybe days if you have a big crew working diligently, which assumes that either we're dealing with very patient ninjas, or people in the trade centers were collaborating with the demolitions set up.

Exactly.  The movie details the very unusual regrouping of security teams in the towers a few weeks before 9/11, which would have been the only opportunity anyone would have had to plant explosives that extensively.  Seeing as al Quaeda doesn't have operational authority over WTC security, this was set up by whomever did.

I understand this, it's just too troubling for me to believe.  Do you think this will ever be widely accepted?  Like the farce of the Maine pre-Spanish American war?  probably not