Gerry

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Weak2ndAct

#45
January 14, 2004, 06:37:23 PM
I thought it was a strangling.

godardian

#46
January 14, 2004, 06:59:29 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndActI thought it was a strangling.

Good lord, I'm gonna hafta see this again.

Anyone else??
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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modage

#47
January 14, 2004, 07:36:01 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndActI thought it was a strangling.
yeah i did too.  a mercy killing, cause it looked like casey had said something to him along those lines asking him to do it.
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Jeremy Blackman

#48
January 14, 2004, 07:52:44 PM
SPOILERS

Yes, Casey says something like "I'm done" or "I'm leaving" ... I was pretty sure that it was strangling, though it was pretty awkward and it took me a while to realize it. I could be wrong.

MacGuffin

#49
January 14, 2004, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndActI thought it was a strangling.

That's the way I saw it too.
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Pubrick

#50
January 14, 2004, 08:49:51 PM
spoils

yeah the killing wasn't very clear but the mercy aspect made perfect sense. it doesn't look like ur average choke hold cos they were weak and casey wanted it.
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RegularKarate

#51
January 14, 2004, 09:02:14 PM
Spoiling****

Godardian, you big, dumb bozo
you thought Damon was given his buddy one last steamroller for shits and yuks?

Jake_82

#52
January 14, 2004, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: godardianDid anyone else notice that most of the music used in Gerry was also very prominent in Heaven? And I mean exactly the same recordings and everything? Worked well for both, really beautiful stuff. Guess Tykwer stole from van Sant and not the other way around, since apparently Gerry is from 2001 (it got just a really weird, fucked-up, belated release, though... I had to think for a while about which film came first, and I'm still not 100% certain). The music in Gerry that wasn't from Heaven sounded Eno-ish to me, but apparently it wasn't Eno.



Gerry used this neo-classical album basically as its entire score, Heaven also uses much of the album as its score, and I'm not exactly sure if it's the same music (since the movie came out two years earlier than Amazon says the album was released),  but Hilary and Jackie also uses really similar-sounding stuff in one part. Additionally, a horrible local theater production of "The Little Prince" used the music.

THE END!
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godardian

#53
January 14, 2004, 11:05:49 PM
:oops:
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#54
January 14, 2004, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: RegularKarateSpoiling****

Godardian, you big, dumb bozo
you thought Damon was given his buddy one last steamroller for shits and yuks?

no no no.... more like "physical comfort at moment of death" seemed much more in keeping with the film's tone than "strangling." If you know me at all, you know that the thought of Matt Damon and Casey Affleck dry-humping does nothing for me.

Anyway, it really was a nebulous moment- looking around the 'net, I found nothing definite, only "in what may be a mercy killing" (maybe MacGuff knows of an in-depth article that really specifically gives the spoilers and spells it out in no uncertain terms, though maybe that's exactly what the movie is trying to avoid...? actually MacG has a copy, if I remember correctly, so maybe he'll have a comment), etc. So I'm going to buy my own copy of the damn thing, as I've been planning to do, and rewatch it and see where my error might be.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

MacGuffin

#55
January 14, 2004, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: godardianAnyway, it really was a nebulous moment- looking around the 'net, I found nothing definite, only "in what may be a mercy killing" (maybe MacGuff knows of an in-depth article that really specifically gives the spoilers and spells it out in no uncertain terms, though maybe that's exactly what the movie is trying to avoid...?


Try this:
http://www.horschamp.qc.ca/new_offscreen/gerry.html

At the bottom of the article (Reverse angle of the "tortoise"-walk) discusses the 'strangling'.
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Jake_82

#56
January 14, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
Quote from: godardianAnyway, it really was a nebulous moment- looking around the 'net, I found nothing definite, only "in what may be a mercy killing" (maybe MacGuff knows of an in-depth article that really specifically gives the spoilers and spells it out in no uncertain terms, though maybe that's exactly what the movie is trying to avoid...? actually MacG has a copy, if I remember correctly, so maybe he'll have a comment), etc. So I'm going to buy my own copy of the damn thing, as I've been planning to do, and rewatch it and see where my error might be.

I've read a few articles where Van Sant talks about the strangling, and specifically that he based the movie on an idea he got from a real newspaper article, where two friends get lost in the desert and one of them dies, the other claims it was dehydration, but they later find out that he murdered his friend.

Filmmaker magazine Fall 2003, talking about how Elephant and Gerry were both adapted from 'one-liner' news stories:

"Gus Van Sant: ... In the case of Gerry, two friends walk through the desert, get lost, one kills the other and makes his way to the road, not realizing they were never really far from the road in the first place."
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godardian

#57
January 14, 2004, 11:52:44 PM
Thanks much, MacG!

I like explanations 2 and 3 best... And I think it's because Affleck's Gerry said "I'm leaving" that I just didn't get that Damon was actually strangling him. I translated "I'm leaving" to "I'm dying" and would've thought killing a dying man is redundant. It would even seem to me to be too late for a mercy killing... I guess I thought delirium, exhaustion, and dehydration made for very awkward physical movements, and it was a sort of an attempt at a clutching at life, "Don't go" or good-bye hug type of thing.

But apparently, I was at least half missing something very important.

Again,  :oops: .  Fifty lashes with a wet noodle for me.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SoNowThen

#58
January 23, 2004, 10:49:54 AM
I finally saw this last night. It was a real nice thing to watch. Kinda like an antidote to the normal problems of standard coverage and plot. A good fresh air film for filmmakers -- though I can't imagine anybody else being even remotely interested in it.

To contribute to the discussion, my first impression definitely was that he strangled Casey, but I wasn't struck by any mercy aspect. It just looked like Matt had finally snapped...
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ono

#59
February 02, 2004, 06:13:13 PM
Spoilers possible.

Just got done watching this.  Pretty much everything I could say has been said.  Cinematography beautiful.  What dialogue there was was funny.  And yes, Damon killed Affleck.  I usually always watch films with the captions on, and it indicates a choking sound as the camera pans away from the death scene.  The ha-ha irony at the end of the film could go either way, and yeah, you could very easily love or hate this film.  It was so much done with so little, I'll give it that.  Lesson of the story, I guess, is you can never wait too long (never give up hope), however silly that may sound.  I don't get the praise for it, and I can understand mod-age's hatred for it, but I do appreciate it.  If you're curious and still haven't seen it, I'd say watch it once, but don't expect too much, and don't go into it tired.  The first 10 minutes alone (driving, driving, driving) could lull you to sleep.  *** (7/10)
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