Johnny Guitar

Started by Reinhold, March 22, 2006, 01:02:46 AM

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Reinhold

March 22, 2006, 01:02:46 AM
sucked.

please discuss.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 23, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.

sheshothim

#1
March 22, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
Wait.....this is real?
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Reinhold

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March 22, 2006, 09:26:36 AM
yes. i saw it in class yesterday. i hated it.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 23, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.

Split Infinitive

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March 22, 2006, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Xidentity Crixax on March 22, 2006, 09:26:36 AM
yes. i saw it in class yesterday. i hated it.
Why?
Please don't correct me. It makes me sick.

godardian

#4
March 22, 2006, 12:33:30 PM
Damn, I thought the revival of this thread might mean that this great film would finally be released to DVD. Still waiting.... Why didn't they just package Rebel with this and Bigger than Life and sell it as a 3-pack? Would've worked as well as Dog Day Afternoon/All the President's Men/Network box set, in my opinion.
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samsong

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March 24, 2006, 11:53:50 PM

Reinhold

#6
March 26, 2006, 10:33:10 AM
i hated the dialogue, was unimpressed by the awkward overuse of violence (even for a b-western), and was utterly bored with the plot. i thought the majority of the performances were completely hollow, and was also aggrivated by the lack of anything resembling justice in the end.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 23, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.

meatwad

#7
March 26, 2006, 04:38:49 PM
i just read this quote today from francois truffaut, and thought of this thread

"Johnny Guitar is the Beauty and the Beast of Westerns, a Western dream"

i have not seen this film, but plan to very soon. i've heard nothing but good things about it till this thread popped up

Alethia

#8
March 26, 2006, 05:23:32 PM
dont let the negativity discourage you, its a great film

samsong

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March 27, 2006, 01:37:17 AM
Quote from: eward on March 26, 2006, 05:23:32 PM
dont let the negativity discourage you, its a great film

WORD.

Reinhold

#10
March 27, 2006, 11:47:05 AM
i can't imagine enjoying this film, but apparently i didn't give it a fair shot if i'm the only person in the world who dislikes it. i'll give it another viewing eventually.

what did you like about it?
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 23, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.

samsong

#11
April 14, 2006, 07:14:40 PM
well, since no one else will defend it...

first and foremost i think it's just a really cool movie, in the same way that Breathless is or a jean-pierre melville film--there's a level of enjoyment that can be derived strictly from the film's aesthetics and attitude that make it... cool.  it's got fantastic style, some sharp, grandiose dialogue (you'll have to explain to me why you hate it), and great performances from everyone, including a very memorable supporting cast of characters.  it's very go-for-broke and operatic.  i'm going to pull a he-likes-it-therefore-it-is-good and quote godard (which meatwad already did), who said that Johnny Guitar is the Beauty and the Beast (cocteau) of westerns, which is apt--it's a very surreal western that is, in essence, a film noir as well.  it's a great metaphor for mccarthyism, not too heavy, though it is a little obvious.  i also love how much of a women's picture it is--had douglas sirk made violent westerns this is the film he would have made... maybe going into social class some more or something but whatever.  it's a film of big, broad strokes in the way that only nick ray could do it (you'll probably hate it too if you hated Johnny Guitar but Bigger Than Life is AMAZING).  it's pure cinema.  you also have to take the era from which in came into consideration... it can easily be seen as a campy piece of shit but if you meet it on its terms it has a lot of rewards.  and i have to make special note of the blocking and the rhythm... some great stuff.  the moment when we firs see the bar, and one of the dealers starts out the roulette wheel... gives me chills every time.  and sterling hayden's a badass.
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