The Fantastic Mr. Fox?

polkablues · November 16, 2009, 07:41:43 PM

Vacation is over. Back to work.

Gold Trumpet · November 16, 2009, 10:44:42 PM

And here I thought these covers were starting to be overplayed, but that may be my favorite. Awesome job.

Stefen · November 17, 2009, 02:59:21 AM

haha that's the best one.

modage · November 17, 2009, 09:31:19 AM

Ratner never tires of these.

http://twitter.com/BrettRatner/status/5790567442

Alexandro · November 17, 2009, 09:43:05 AM

to be honest I don't really get the ratner stuff (I guess I just don't give a fuck whether he's a good, bad, shitty person or director any way or the other) but this one would be hilarious even without knowing anything about brett ratner.

socketlevel · November 17, 2009, 10:12:55 AM

dude... get a fucking job off this guy. seriously. if you ever wanted your foot in the industry door this is your opportunity, granted ratner's a loser and all but who cares. so many people in Holywood are egomaniacs and he's loving the attention you're giving him. he said he'd hire you, and he probably would. capitalize while this shit is hot in his mind.

i'm not joking man, send him an email or something. just don't forget i was the one that gave this encouragement when you make it lol.

Pwaybloe · November 17, 2009, 11:43:10 AM

I second the notion. Congrats.

modage · November 17, 2009, 12:24:52 PM

The Fantastic Mr. Fox is by far my least favorite of Anderson's films. I wanted to enjoy it but have a hard time finding anything good to say about it. I didn't think it was funny, the music choices were obvious (I Get Around and Street Fighting Man, really?), and thought it was visually disappointing. Unlike Henry Selick's incredible stop-motion work, the scope of this film was extremely limited. The designs looked flat and they seemed more like miniatures instead of a real environment. I also found the scale of them to be strange, they looked tall and thin but appeared to only be inches high.

It's not a terrible film, I just thought were it not for Anderson's name or the voice cast it wouldn't be a very notable one. Logically, the film didn't make more sense than your standard Dreamworks animated film. They wear clothes and speak like humans but still eat like animals? I realize it's been done in hundreds of animated films but Pixar will at least put some thought behind what their characters limitations are. I can appreciate Anderson for at the very least trying something different but found myself bored throughout and further appreciated Darjeeling and Life Aquatic even with their flaws.

Neil · November 17, 2009, 01:01:08 PM

Quote from: modage on November 17, 2009, 12:24:52 PM
The Fantastic Mr. Fox is by far my least favorite of Anderson's films. I wanted to enjoy it but have a hard time finding anything good to say about it. I didn't think it was funny, the music choices were obvious (I Get Around and Street Fighting Man, really?), and thought it was visually disappointing. Unlike Henry Selick's incredible stop-motion work, the scope of this film was extremely limited. The designs looked flat and they seemed more like miniatures instead of a real environment. I also found the scale of them to be strange, they looked tall and thin but appeared to only be inches high.

It's not a terrible film, I just thought were it not for Anderson's name or the voice cast it wouldn't be a very notable one. Logically, the film didn't make more sense than your standard Dreamworks animated film. They wear clothes and speak like humans but still eat like animals? I realize it's been done in hundreds of animated films but Pixar will at least put some thought behind what their characters limitations are. I can appreciate Anderson for at the very least trying something different but found myself bored throughout and further appreciated Darjeeling and Life Aquatic even with their flaws.

what about the 'message?' towards kids or whatever, is there anything to be said about that?

Alexandro · November 17, 2009, 02:35:43 PM

I haven't seen it but it is pixar's fault isn't?? in this day and age, in the pixar age, anyone who's going to get into animation must really think twice about the whole thing because let's face it, the bar is way fucking UP.

Neil · November 17, 2009, 03:33:17 PM

Does the so called 'bar' dictate creativity? Maybe it does.

I think it's pretty obvious Anderson is ditching the whole philsophy, or day and age you're talking about

socketlevel · November 17, 2009, 04:21:22 PM

Quote from: Neil on November 17, 2009, 03:33:17 PM
Does the so called 'bar' dictate creativity? Maybe it does.

I think it's pretty obvious Anderson is ditching the whole philosophy, or day and age you're talking about

And what, replacing it with pretense? i think Alexandro's post should be taken to mean a bar of quality and not a bar of aesthetic or pallet (ie. stop motion vs computer). please correct me if I'm wrong Alexandro.

Anderson is abandoning the methods of making a modern animated film. that's not only wonderful, it's refreshing and i applaud it. but the point is you still gotta make a good story at the end of the day. please don't mix those two things up, or justify one with the other. that's kinda how i read what you just posted. maybe i'm reading that wrong.

besides the philosophy, day and age ain't the issue. Anderson phoned the fucker in, that's the problem. He could have made this good, but according to modage it wasn't. modage's reasons seem symptomatic of the fact he didn't fucking care. not to echo my previous posts too much but you could sense it in the teaser. it just looks empty. and it was revealed to us why. He wasn't even on set... what a douche. seriously, he had ADD issues with the meticulous nature of the medium, and ultimately got bored while making the film.

wow, maybe it's time to get a new job Wes.

trey parker and matt stone hated working with puppets but at least they fucking grinded it out instead of eating escargot in grand Paris while people were hard at work in England. you know how many people want to make a film, it's crazy. I hope this movie fucking flops and he has to work to get people to invest in his films again. again, what a douche. it's like he was into the idea of stop motion as a hipster fleeting thought more than the actual thing.

And i haven't seen it, but shit the reaction from modage is picture perfect to what myself and others said months ago... look above for reference. Bottom line is that Wes Anderson was cool. then the unique baroque style he defined became hipster. that fame pushed him and elevated his ego to the point that he became one of his characters. He was a pioneer, and started an entire movement. but just like burtin before him, he even started dressing as his characters, turning himself into a po mo poster child caricature of his art. He shoulda aged with a bit of wisdom and changed up the routine. then he coulda looked more like Wayne Coyne, a weathered genuine person with an impression of his art sensibility... not the walking, talking billboard. alas, he comes across like a wanna be high profile scenester like that "The Royal Ronsons Lookbook" post. both lame and empty.

just watch the special features for life aquatic, look at Bill Murray's reactions to his directing. he pretty much straight forward turns to owen wilson and says "who the fuck is this guy?"

Alexandro · November 17, 2009, 05:04:52 PM

yes. my point was that with pixar churning out walles and ups and whatnot, pretty much anything else can feel like a minor effort at best. I haven't seen Fox so I don't know, I wasn't indicting this particular film of anything, but that's the way I see the animation world in this decade.

truth is the pixar / disney crowd (hey we can include miyazaki of course) rewrote the book for animation and everyone has been forced to up their fucking games a little bit.

socketlevel · November 17, 2009, 05:08:55 PM

Quote from: Alexandro on November 17, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
yes. my point was that with pixar churning out walles and ups and whatnot, pretty much anything else can feel like a minor effort at best. I haven't seen Fox so I don't know, I wasn't indicting this particular film of anything, but that's the way I see the animation world in this decade.

truth is the pixar / disney crowd (hey we can include miyazaki of course) rewrote the book for animation and everyone has been forced to up their fucking games a little bit.

truth, and it's also true that i need to see it as well before i make my final verdict. i just hate everything i've seen or read about it. totally against my work ethic. and even with that i still need to see it... but if it smells like shit, tastes like shit, made like shit, looks like shit....

pete · November 17, 2009, 07:49:07 PM

before you judge all recent animations based on the 2 new movies a year that you watch...
have you not seen anything from Japan and France in the last 10 years? and even Canada from time to time?
Look up Mind Game.