Iron Man

Started by Banky, January 05, 2004, 09:28:57 PM

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Gamblour.

No, he doesn't. There is an actual plot unfolding in his origin story. The hardware is secondary to the storyline going on in Batman Begins. Iron Man is a 45-minute suit-building montage with comic relief from a robot. The hardware in Batman comes out of the character, whereas Iron Man is a fucking hypocrite because he suit is nothing but a weapon.
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Quote from: Gamblour. on June 16, 2008, 10:48:27 AM
No, he doesn't. There is an actual plot unfolding in his origin story. The hardware is secondary to the storyline going on in Batman Begins. Iron Man is a 45-minute suit-building montage with comic relief from a robot. The hardware in Batman comes out of the character, whereas Iron Man is a fucking hypocrite because he suit is nothing but a weapon.

The hardware building in Batman Begins is hardly a secondary story. Unlike Iron Man, the film wants you to understand how the specifics of how the suit came to be. Alfred is a father figure to Bruce Wayne, but most of his dialogue is about suit armor and the technicalities of what they need to do to make it. Morgan Freeman's character has little interest besides his understanding of the technical details Batman has to deal with. He's really void of any real significance as a character. All of it is geeky interest. In Iron Man you understand what Starks accomplishes is amazing, but you have no idea how he really does it. I thought it was absurd that Batman Begins had to go to such lengths to explain the creation of his suit. The only character development you get during the suit building is a few scenes about his history with Rachael and their current emotional distance. The best scenes about his emotional history come when he is in Asia with Raz Ah Gaul (a worthwhile subplot). A good junk of the film though seems mainly dedicated to his suit and accessories.

And yes, a lot of the interplay with Starks is for comedy between other characters and even robots, but the movie is a comedy. At least Iron Man keeps the film about the characters and their personalities. Because it is a comedy a lot of the interplay is superficial, but it gives room for the actors to really act instead of explain the meaning of how it is to build things. The actors in Batman Begins were actually trying to make meaningful speeches out of the creation of the suit making that it reminded me of bad TV. In bad TV (like shows on CBS or NBC) you have characters who solely exist for their intelligent processes. They consider themselves geniuses of some kind and their soliquoy comes with explaining something technical. The drama is so ham you get a little embarassed they can make some dialogue try to sound so important. I had to recoil and hide my face during a lot of things Morgan Freeman said in the film.

Iron Man is totally superfical with a lot of things, but the actors are working well with their personalities. It's superficial, but it's also a super hero movie. It's supposed to be fun and entertaining.

modage

Robocop was way better than this. 
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

matt35mm

Robocop is the best.

Gamblour.

Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on June 16, 2008, 12:26:01 PM
It's superficial, but it's also a super hero movie. It's supposed to be fun and entertaining.
NO.

It's supposed to be good.
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pete

took a bunch of teenagers to see this today, it's good, but more and more movies play out like TV pilots.
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Theroux to write 'Iron Man' sequel
Marvel nears deals with Favreau, Downey Jr.
Source: Variety

Marvel has handed the armor over to Justin Theroux, who will pen the sequel to "Iron Man."

The comicbook giant's film division is close to a deal to bring back helmer Jon Favreau and star Robert Downey Jr. for the pic it hopes to release in April 2010.

Theroux, a thesp-scribe best known for roles in "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" and HBO's "Six Feet Under" and miniseries "John Adams," most recently wrote the DreamWorks comedy "Tropic Thunder," which Paramount will unspool next month.

In addition to writing and appearing in "Tropic Thunder," Theroux also exec produced the laffer, which stars Ben Stiller, Downey and Jack Black. He recently made his directing debut on "Dedication," which the Weinstein Co. distribbed.

"Iron Man," released in May, has earned more than $314 million at the domestic box office and collected another $252 million overseas.

It was Marvel Studios' first self-financed pic, distribbed by Par, so it's no surprise that the studio is looking to get another installment into theaters as quickly as possible.

Marvel Studios, however, isn't being quick to confirm any deals around the project, saying it doesn't comment on rumors.
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