Kill Bill: Volume One

[Gold Trumpet]

What do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.

sorry to budge in here, but how is this a criticism?

Who are you talking to? I'm not criticizing. Just identifying a good quality about the second part different from the first part. JB also quoted me wrong. I said the scenes were "pushed", he quoted me as saying "pushed off". That suggests something else than "push" which is similiar to "build up". Maybe he thought I meant something else.

~rougerum

[picolas]

What do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.

sorry to budge in here, but how is this a criticism?

Who are you talking to? I'm not criticizing. Just identifying a good quality about the second part different from the first part.

ah. i was talking to you. i didn't realize you were saying it was a good thing.

   

[Jeremy Blackman]

LOTS OF SPOILERS

The massacre during her wedding is the fuel. Your defense is rationalization. With your logic, she could have been kidnapped by stoners and taken on a cross country road trip with them in the back of a van and repeatedly raped.

Wait. No. I didn't say the rape thing by itself justifies (or rationalizes) the revenge thing. It just maginifies it. It's just a little more fuel, at the perfect time.

Why not just show the massacre and talent obviously from it?

It works better for the tone and the suspense to keep it shrouded in myth.

With the cops talking, dead bodies are everywhere but the only identification of talent in killing is just them saying it.

Exactly. That's what makes the scene great.

When the Japan part begins, all the scenes are pushed for the final payoff and kept tonally in order to make it all work.

Okay, I think I get it. You're just complaining about the "vignettes" before Japan, right?

[Gold Trumpet]

Okay, I think I get it. You're just complaining about the "vignettes" before Japan, right?

Yes. And with you bringing up some points, I'm starting not to mind some parts of the vignettes as much. Let's say I see the parts before Japan as an attempt for the equal to Japan, since both take 2 chapters of Kill Bill. Its just with the vignettes before Japan, it feels like another movie. Each scene is made more for just that scene. I would have preffered it all wrapped up into the environment of Japan to get a more tonally complete movie.

[Wait. No. I didn't say the rape thing by itself justifies (or rationalizes) the revenge thing. It just maginifies it. It's just a little more fuel, at the perfect time.

Good. I'll accept that argument. My overall complaint (as brought up above) still exists.

It works better for the tone and the suspense to keep it shrouded in myth.

I agree. My option of some way to change it was more of an example of disagreeance.

Exactly. That's what makes the scene great.

Like I said before, to play out the idea of the massacre is good. I still have problems with the cops. The detailing of them interacting and acting as if they do know what they are talking about (when it is hardly believable) feels like an element of Coen brother comedy inserted. While maybe playing out the good idea of showing the massacre as an idea, it distracts cause the focus is so much on them and they are partially farce.

And to finish up, I understand the movie is suppose to be off balance. Its just with two first chapters set in USA and the second two set in Japan, it is obvious where all the though really is. It just feels like Tarantino put so little into the USA part and so much into the Japan part that I'd like the USA part dumped and further examination of it under the Japan part.

~rougerum

[Jeremy Blackman]

would have preffered it all wrapped up into the environment of Japan to get a more tonally complete movie.

That's a valid complaint. You may think differently after seeing Volume II, though.

The detailing of them interacting and acting as if they do know what they are talking about (when it is hardly believable) feels like an element of Coen brother comedy inserted.

Yeah, but like I said before, that's Tarantino. It just makes it (tonally?) more mysterious.

And to finish up, I understand the movie is suppose to be off balance. Its just with two first chapters set in USA and the second two set in Japan, it is obvious where all the though really is. It just feels like Tarantino put so little into the USA part and so much into the Japan part that I'd like the USA part dumped and further examination of it under the Japan part.

This may not be your fault. Maybe you're just used to the three-act formula, and this is pretty much a two-act movie. Do you think that is (maybe) where some of your discomfort is coming from?

[prophet]

bill oreilly said that kill bill was the most violent movie ever.

[Finn]

It very well may be (within the R rated movie world).

[Recce]

Interesting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.

[cine]

bill oreilly said that kill bill was the most violent movie ever.

Bill O'Reilly is also a Lying Liar Who Tells Lies.
He's exaggerating.

[picolas]

Interesting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.

where was the funky cut?

[Weak2ndAct]

Interesting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.

Funny, the same thing happened when I saw Go.  I didn't find out till waaaaaay later.  But it still made sense and I enjoyed it.  Go figure.

[Ghostboy]

Interestingly, I've had the same experience with both American Beauty and Road To Perdition. Sam Mendes must be charmed.

[SoNowThen]

just saw this last night.... finally.

brilliant. ah yes, so good. right now, for whatever their reasons were, I'm happy as hell they decided to show this in two volumes. now I can extend this good feeling until the next one comes out.

4 Xixax's out of 4!!


EDIT - I just read that he made this for $55 million! How fucking great is that?! It looked more like 100+. Someone said "would we praise this as much if it were done by a no-name", well, only QT would put a Pussy Wagon in this movie. So classic. Even though this is against all my principles, I'm gonna buy both the single version of the discs, and the double when it comes out. Woohoooo!!!!!

[modage]

same thing happened when i saw donnie darko on opening night.  a friend who worked at the theatre later told me what had happened, and then when i got the dvd, i was like "this is way less hard to follow."  i had thought the whole thing was non-linear.

[Recce]

I don't get how so many people can fuck up mounting prints of movies. Its not that hard. You just have to pay attention. Sigh. Hitchcock would have gone on a murderous rampage if someone had done that to one of his films.