The Royal Tennebaums

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#45
August 19, 2008, 04:04:19 PM



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#46
August 19, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
The one who's going as Richie is ridiculously good looking.
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

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#47
August 19, 2008, 08:51:06 PM
Yeah, I wish I was that riduculously good looking....sigh....
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#48
June 03, 2009, 10:00:48 AM
I watched this last night and I had forgotten how great it is.

I've been steadily losing interest in movies so I felt it was time to put something on that I hadn't seen in awhile and that I remember enjoying. It worked. There was a period from about 1999-2005 where I was watching everything but in the last few years I seem to only watch stuff that gets talked about at length here or stuff that is a must see like a new PTA flick. I've lost that passion that I once had for film and I don't know if it's just that I'm growing up and my interests are changing and with the added responsibility of being an adult, I just don't have time for movies like I used to or if it's just that movies these days just aren't what they were in the beginning of this decade. Whatever it is, I'm going to try my darndest to get my passion back and this was the first step. Tonight I watch something else I really enjoyed from that era. Either Talk to Her or maybe Soderbergh's Solaris which I really enjoyed when it came out but I'm curious to see how it holds up.

Anyways, Paltrow is really awesome in this. I think she gives the best performance out of everyone. Of course, she does have a lot to work with, but she is really fantastic in this.

My main beef with the film is how Royal seems to just change overnight. He goes from conniving, manipulative asshole to kind, caring individual all in the span of a 10 minute ark or so. It's like as soon as he has to take the job as the elevator doorman, he realizes what he needs to change and that's fine, but I just thought the whole transformation was a little too fast tracked since we spend the whole film seeing him a certain way.

It is over stylized, but in a good way. It has a lot of substance so the style is something that compliments everything so well. All the little details are so much fun. The dalmatian mice, Margot's missing finger, Richie's breakdown on the court, which I'm SO glad they filmed.

At times it ventures towards the brink of being over sentimental but it seems to stop just short of going over the edge. I really like when Mr. Sherman is getting ready for his wedding and Chas says, "You were married?" and Mr. Sherman says, "Yes, I'm a widower." and then Chas says, "I'm a widower, too" and Mr. Sherman puts his hand on Chas's shoulder and says, "I know you are, Chas" I found that very sweet without being manipulative.

The Eli Cash drug problem is something that I felt didn't add much to the film. I don't know if his addiction story arc was one that wasn't handled very well due to editing or if it turned out the way Wes wanted it too, but I really felt they could have gotten rid of the whole drug addiction thing and just made Eli the type of character who always wanted to be a Tenebaum and keeps reminding everyone about how he too can be considered a genius.

The pros of the film far outweigh the cons.

I'll give this a 9.1.
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#49
September 13, 2009, 01:35:09 PM
This film ages so well. I now love it even more than Rushmore. It's strange how very few of the ''film people'' I know dig this one. Anyways.

I too am losing a lot of interest in films, and it's strange because I'm known to my friends and family as the guy who sees everything. For the last couple years I've been reading a lot of synopsis in the paper juste so I can know what people are talking to me about.

I haven't even seen Inglorious Basterds yet, and I think I'll probably see it on on DVD(rip) in like 2 years.

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#50
October 05, 2009, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: Stefen on June 03, 2009, 10:00:48 AM

The Eli Cash drug problem is something that I felt didn't add much to the film.


In a weird way, Eli is the catalyst for certain changes in the family's relationship dynamic.  I don't think it was meant to add ALOT to the film, although Eli's involvement with Margot kind of unhinged some aspects of the world all the characters were living in.
The Tenenbaums were famous, rich, and smart, and a bit different from Eli on the outside.  He tried so hard to fit in to a family where people were barely getting along with each other, and you have to wonder why.  He is a prime example of an outsider, maybe the "fan of Wes Anderson", trying hard to fit into that world.

I think that if Chas hadn't gone crazy on Eli at the end, maybe Chas wouldn't have realized what kind of help he himself needed.

So anyways I'm late for work and over-analyzing a point.  Hope you like my Eli take!!

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#51
November 15, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
Was just reading the imdb Trivia for this and came across this:

Fellow filmmaker Paul Thomas Anderson collaborated with Wes Anderson on the soundtrack.

Never heard anything like this before, has anyone heard a possible source for this?
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#52
November 15, 2009, 05:36:58 PM
no one's ever mentioned anything like that before, not wes not pt none of the producers.
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#53
November 15, 2009, 06:01:14 PM
Figured it was bullshit but a pretty random thing to make up.
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#54
November 15, 2009, 10:07:00 PM
i think a lot of people goto pta for input on their work. judd apatow does it a lot from what i've read.
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#55
November 16, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
In response to the losing interest in movies - I think there was a mini-Golden Age just a few years ago for 5 or 6 years - which was probably when a lot of us cut our teeth. Think of all those films coming out around that time. Now all those directors have moved on to mostly more mature themes and subjects or are taking very long between projects.

I'm thinking of Wes, PT, QT, Mendes, David O, Spike, Michel, and probably forgetting some (not to mention some more seasoned directors putting out some good works). A post Kubrick death surge perhaps?
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#56
November 16, 2009, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: bigideas on November 16, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
A post Kubrick death surge perhaps?

naw, nice sentiment, but the majority of the best films by those you mention were completed or in the shooting stage when kubrick died.  all their best films were in 1999
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Pas

#57
November 16, 2009, 11:50:11 AM
My theory, well if you know about film distribution you will probably agree, about the reason why there aren't good indie films coming out like the end of the 90s, very early 2000s.

Basicaly the huge indie hits of this period created a surge in indie film pre-sales to distributors etc. So that created a situation where you got people with almost no experience and a really not-so-great script-but-kinda-similar-to-the-hits getting money (not that much but a couple millions) to make terribly lame stuff with a face actor only to lose all or almost all the investment. So there's no indie pre-sales or almost anymore. Also, actors aren't as interested in joining indie crews as they were because so many got burnt by clueless directors. It's just gotten harder for everybody, talented or not.

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#58
November 16, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on November 16, 2009, 11:50:11 AM
My theory, well if you know about film distribution you will probably agree, about the reason why there aren't good indie films coming out like the end of the 90s, very early 2000s.

Basicaly the huge indie hits of this period created a surge in indie film pre-sales to distributors etc. So that created a situation where you got people with almost no experience and a really not-so-great script-but-kinda-similar-to-the-hits getting money (not that much but a couple millions) to make terribly lame stuff with a face actor only to lose all or almost all the investment. So there's no indie pre-sales or almost anymore. Also, actors aren't as interested in joining indie crews as they were because so many got burnt by clueless directors. It's just gotten harder for everybody, talented or not.

what are some examples of the movies/directors who burnt people?
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pete

#59
November 16, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
indie pre-sales?  I was not under the impression that it was a popular thing.  a lot of big hit movies were without buyers until the festivals and markets.  I might be wrong though.

movies like royal tenenbaums weren't really indie films though; they were funded by the studios.  in fact, none of the people you mentioned made indie films.  some of them made modestly budgeted studio films distributed by the studios' "indie wings" such as Focus, Fox Searchlight, Paramount Vantage...etc. and most of them have closed or re-consolidated or been gutted out in the past 2-3 years, except for Focus.

the money's just not there anymore.  indie films started booming when Pulp Fiction came out, as producers realized that huge profit can be gained from low budget films, and this was also when VHS and DVDs were booming.  the model for indie films kinda got appropriated by the bigger studios' indie wings, the audience became fickle, the market shrunk, and as the outlets become more and more complicated, the ticket and home video sales weren't half of what they used to be, so the directors that were doing very well 10 years ago now have a much harder time putting together their projects and the newcomers really aren't given shots like that anymore.

but still you're not talking about indie films.  very few indie studios are making any money right now, and most of the new indie filmmakers work on a much lower budget (that annoying mumblecore movement, for example) and are creating a new system for outlets.  but anyways, the short version is that, like any genre, the director-centric genre has its cycles and right now it's not doing so well.

ghostboy knows much more about this, I'm just babbling now.
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