PTA Personal Life

[Pringle]

The big line towards the end, as well — he’s said in interviews that he delivered his first daughter at home during a home birth.

I’m not trying to muckrake or whip up outrage or show “faux-concern” with this. I think it’s newsworthy and this whole thing (the album) definitely is PTA-related, considering the fact that the main promo article is entirely based around their relationship, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to make specific connections from that article to this album. This line, in particular, is already stoking controversy online, and this has become one of the most acclaimed albums in years — it’s gonna get brought up.

The lines cited are just way way way too juicy and loaded to brush aside for me. I was relieved by that vulture article as well but, isn’t “this happened to a friend of mine” the oldest answer-dodge in the book?

[trytotell]

I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Pringle is Fiona herself.

WTF are you even insinuating? BTW, they, meaning PTA and Fiona, lived in Los Feliz then both moved out of that house after their break up and he moved back to the Valley.

[Pringle]

I’m not Fiona Apple.

I’m implying that this song, which has direct allusions to Boogie Nights and Phantom Thread and which is directly about a Hollywood asshole snorting cocaine and pretending to be nice during awards season, which is featured on an album whose title track is about correcting the public perception of you as a crazy person based on the behavior of your ex (which is explicitly what her stories of PTA in the New Yorker article are about) ends with a line accusing this unnamed, anonymous, Hollywood awards season darling of raping her in a bed that his daughter was born in.

[trytotell]

You're doing nothing but projecting. She literally told you what the songs are about.

She said he never hit her, yet you apparently seem to think she's going to turn around and indirectly accuse him of rape? Are you really that stupid?

[jenkins]

there’s some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here

[Pringle]

there’s some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here

This is legitimately what I’m trying to get at. I’m not claiming that he absolutely abused her and he is cancelled or anything like that.

I don’t want to get into arguments about the validity of this, especially considering what we’re talking about, but unless this is just a straight up uncritical PTA fanboy page, I don’t see why I’d have to be an idiot — or Fiona Apple — to start making these very obvious connections.

[Drenk]

Pringle, your reading of the lyrics makes sense. Apple has also mentioned how hard these subjects are when you don't want to hurt the person. For Her goes from the third person to the first person before ending with a chorus of women. To write about the Hollywood man abusing her friend, she's probably used personal memories about a certain abusive wonderboy. After all, the lyrics become a story rooted in reality. That particular story is about shared experience.

The speculation is, then, just speculation. But there's no need to act as if it were absurd, folks.

[trytotell]

there’s some heat in this

genuine curiosity can be roused in this situation but not concrete particulars. again: concrete particulars cannot be derived from the song, is the big picture here

This is legitimately what I’m trying to get at. I’m not claiming that he absolutely abused her and he is cancelled or anything like that.

I don’t want to get into arguments about the validity of this, especially considering what we’re talking about, but unless this is just a straight up uncritical PTA fanboy page, I don’t see why I’d have to be an idiot — or Fiona Apple — to start making these very obvious connections.

What part of "she explained what these songs are about" is too difficult for you to understand? So she's a liar now? Which is it? Not to mention actual facts I've provided that you deliberately ignored.

[trytotell]

Pringle, your reading of the lyrics makes sense. Apple has also mentioned how hard these subjects are when you don't want to hurt the person. For Her goes from the third person to the first person before ending with a chorus of women. To write about the Hollywood man abusing her friend, she's probably used personal memories about a certain abusive wonderboy. After all, the lyrics become a story rooted in reality. That particular story is about shared experience.

The speculation is, then, just speculation. But there's no need to act as if it were absurd, folks.

Oh, shut the fuck up. That's not what he was doing and you know it.

[jenkins]

Pringle doesn’t need to keep explaining himself btw

[Drill]

I haven't listened to it and I really don't want to because I can't stand her music, but I guess I have to now.

I think Pringle has been trying to get a rise in their previous posts. Just the tone is irritating and a little trollish.

[jenkins]

it’s better to respond than react though

[trytotell]

Yes, it's totally cool to imply somebody is a rapist (and don't pretend that wasn't what they were doing) and not expect any pushback.

[jenkins]

a response rather than a reaction

I think Drenk did a great job. i understand that it’s a triggering issue

[Drill]

I'm going to go for a hot take here and say that all this just proves to me even more that Fiona's music is nowhere near as deep as people try to act like it is. At this point, she could record herself taking a dump and Pitchfork would have an orgasm.

This all sounds like sub-Yoko Ono dreck to me. I'm tapping out. Won't be making it to said song.