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Reply #645 on: April 14, 2019, 09:17:11 PM
I didn't enjoy the jokes and all the humour. It felt out of place, like it was just another normal day. It didn't feel like doom was waiting around the corner.

Overall I enjoyed it, though. The Arya and Jon reunion was great. 

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Reply #646 on: April 14, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
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There's absolutely no dramatic tension. They'll fight the Walkers. Cersei will do some backstabbing. Six episodes is a lot for what's left since there's no life...They had to break the momentum of the last season finale. I have no idea what's gonna happen next week—not in a good way...

Why are they so scared to do crazy shit? Instead, they're giving us what a random Redditor could have written.

Also: stop with the whores. It seriously just looks life soft porn. They're paying actresses to do that shit. Why? For whom? That's awfully dumb. At least, don't shoot them like it's fucking PornHub. I'm rewatching Deadwood so I know that HBO used to know how to shoot nudity.
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Reply #647 on: April 14, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
Why doesn't anyone ask Bran about everything?

He could really help out with this war and political stuff. But then again, the writers dropped the ball with Bran in Winterfell last season as well.

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His sudden 'the night king has your dragon' was pretty amusing.

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Reply #648 on: April 14, 2019, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: Lottery on April 14, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
Why doesn't anyone ask Bran about everything?

He could really help out with this war and political stuff. But then again, the writers dropped the ball with Bran in Winterfell last season as well.

A) Because he's an asshole and people don't like talking to him.

Or

B) Because it doesn't matter: he'll warg with a dragon and it will be cool. (Will it be cool? Yes.)

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Reply #649 on: April 14, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
The most relatable and humanizing Cersei moment in the entire series was how disappointed she was not to get to see elephants.
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Reply #650 on: April 15, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Yowza, tough crowd. I thought it was pretty great as far as premieres go. I loved how cyclical it was, harkening back to the beginning on so many fronts including the ending with Bran confronting Jamie (I didn't connect this dot until reading a review, but Bran mentioning in an earlier scene that he was 'waiting for an old friend' was so haunting/awesome in retrospect).

We've been waiting so many years for these characters with desperate narratives to reunite, and I'd say almost every one was cathartic (some more than others of course). My favorite was Arya and Jon, followed by Sansa and Tyrion. I also loved how Arya smiled when she saw the dragons.

It seems the battle with the White Walkers is coming as soon as next episode. How many episodes do you think it'll last? Because at some point what's left of Jon/Dany's army has to go face Cersei, right?

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Reply #651 on: April 15, 2019, 07:01:07 PM
I gave up a season and a half or so ago (I could no longer keep track of who was pissed at who and why), but thought I'd come back for these last eps.   I had a recap open in front of me, so it was much easier to stay involved.  Not even close to a fan, but I thought it was fine.   And, yes, I jumped at Spiral Kid.
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Reply #652 on: April 15, 2019, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: ©brad on April 15, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Yowza, tough crowd. I thought it was pretty great as far as premieres go.

I know, right? Are people just hate-watching this show now? Maybe this is a personal failing on my part, but I'm at the point where I read or hear criticisms and simply can't connect those words to the reality of what I saw. It's surprising how many people have completely soured on the series. Which I assume happened several seasons ago for a lot of them.

Literally every season of Game of Thrones begins the same way, with a lot of people being confused/dismayed that there's so much table setting in Episode 1. That's just how a season of this show works. That's how it's always structured. And it was done beautifully here. This was distinctly more entertaining than 701, I'd say.

I really loved this episode. It feels somewhat like a continuation of "The Dragon and the Wolf" — characters experiencing and discovering things for the first time and reuniting after ages apart, done through weighty scenes, executed brilliantly one after another, with the heaviest lifting often done wordlessly.

The opening march through the North reminded me why this is a great show. To take just one example from that sequence... Arya seeing dragons for the first time and being deviously thrilled. Can you even imagine what she's thinking?

The other highlight for me was Sam's encounter with Daenerys (which cleverly denies us the expected payoff, then delivers one that's much darker) and his followup talk with Jon. Christ, what a pair of scenes that was.

I'll have more thoughts later, I'm sure.


Quote from: Drenk on April 14, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
There's absolutely no dramatic tension. They'll fight the Walkers. Cersei will do some backstabbing. Six episodes is a lot for what's left since there's no life..

How did you get your hands on the Season 8 scripts?! I wasn't aware that anything had leaked! Just don't post the links here and don't talk about future spoilers please. Even though the plot of this season sounds utterly predictable from what you're saying, I'd rather not know.

In all seriousness, do you actually sincerely not expect any surprises from this season? Of Game of Thrones? How much of last season did you accurately predict? I couldn't have dreamed up half of the weird, crazy things that happened in Season 7.
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Reply #653 on: April 16, 2019, 03:40:31 AM
We're clearly witnessing different realities. I said that I began to strongly dislike the show during season 5. Season 7 had great action moments and the fan fiction element was fun to witness. But now...Cersei became a cliché of who Cersei is. Jon has always been boring as hell, books and show. There's nothing for me to care. They're waiting for a battle or some backstabbing. But what's really difficult? Strange? Sansa being angry like a teenager? I don't care about surprises. That's never been why I love this world and loved this show. But with five episodes left, I'll watch all of it, yes.

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Reply #654 on: April 16, 2019, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: ©brad on April 15, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Yowza, tough crowd. I thought it was pretty great as far as premieres go. I loved how cynical it was, harkening back to the beginning on so many fronts including the ending with Bran confronting Jamie (I didn't connect this dot until reading a review, but Bran mentioning in an earlier scene that he was 'waiting for an old friend' was so haunting/awesome in retrospect).

We've been waiting so many years for these characters with desperate narratives to reunite, and I'd say almost every one was cathartic (some more than others of course). My favorite was Arya and Jon, followed by Sansa and Tyrion. I also loved how Arya smiled when she saw the dragons.

It seems the battle with the White Walkers is coming as soon as next episode. How many episodes do you think it'll last? Because at some point what's left of Jon/Dany's army has to go face Cersei, right?

I expect the final battle to start towards the end of the next episode and then last for two episodes.

It will be very entertaining and fun, but what will happen after that? That's the most interesting part left imo. At the end of this I don't think the main characters will be the hero's we expect them to be. It will become very complicated as soon as they've defeated Cersei and the White Walkers. The circumstances in this world and their journeys will have turned them into the same "bad guys" we saw in the start of the show. Daenerys is already ruthless as hell. She didn't even blink an eye while telling Sam about his dead family.

Perhaps Jon Snow will eventually turn on her and perhaps Daenerys will kill him for not being loyal and not bending the knee. She has to do something drastic for the viewers to look at her as the villian. She started of with good intentions, but I think that have changed along the way. Thev'e hinted about it. And she hasn't talked about "breaking the wheel" for a long time.

We expect Jon Snow to do the Hero's Journey, but I don't think it'll be that straightforward. He might kill the Night King but I don't think he'll survive long after that. This world is too cruel for the good guys to win.

That might leave Sansa in the north with another family member dead and who knows what will happen after that. They've talked about how she admires Cersei at some level. Hmm, hmm...

I want Jamie to be the hero we didn't know we needed! He has one of the best story arcs imo.

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Reply #655 on: April 16, 2019, 06:54:29 AM
I think there's time for it. The last two episodes will be 1 hour 20 minutes each. A lot of things could happen in these episodes with faster pacing.

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Reply #656 on: April 16, 2019, 08:13:20 AM
I can bet on a Sansa/Cersei alliance (with Jon dead) against Daenerys (Daenerys dies). With Sansa killing Cersei at the end before Cersei does the first move.
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Reply #657 on: April 16, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
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You might be on to something there. I don't really want either Jon or Dany to "win" as both are kinda boring and for either one to win wouldn't really be in-keeping with GOT's reputation for subverting the genre. If both die, is the Targaryen lineage over? So we'd be looking to the Lannister lineage for continuity? I'm Team Cersei all the way, but there's no way she's going to make it to the end. Jamie would then be "next in line to the throne," right? Is a Sansa-Jamie marriage/alliance a possibility? Probably not with the Bran factor, right? So maybe Jamie dies too and the throne passes by right to Tyrion, but he abdicates in favor of Sansa and Arya...? It would be cool for the series to end with Arya having the title The Queen Slayer.
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Reply #658 on: April 16, 2019, 11:28:06 AM
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I can bet on a Sansa/Cersei alliance (with Jon dead) against Daenerys (Daenerys dies). With Sansa killing Cersei at the end before Cersei does the first move.

This is a strangely compelling theory. I don't think it's happening, though.

Sansa has a lot of good reasons to be wary and distrustful of Daenerys right now, based on what she knows and what she's seen. (As D&D say, these characters are not watching the show.) None of the Northerners really know Daenerys's story, nor do these naturally distrustful people have any particular reason to trust her. So Sansa's current disposition is completely reasonable.

You say she's "being angry like a teenager," but I think her position is pretty reasonable from her POV. (And I think she still is a teenager.) She doesn't even distrust Daenerys half as much as other Northerners. Much of her annoyance is practical and eye-rolly. ("What do dragons eat, anyway?") I did not catch even a whiff of a hint that Sansa is anti-Daenerys enough to actually conspire against her.

What I see being telegraphed in the show right now is that Sansa simply doesn't know Daenerys well enough. It's going to be an arc. I'm interested to see what persuades her.

Sansa makes a convincing case (to Tyrion) in this ep that Cersei can't be trusted. We also get a bit from Arya about Sansa's family loyalty. Jon would indeed have to die for Sansa to betray that loyalty. Daenerys would also have to do some really terrible things and NOT prove herself vs. the dead. Sansa would have to entertain the idea of allying with Cersei (not just fighting alongside, but actually allying), which would simply not happen — for deeply personal reasons, and because of Arya, who, remember, has a collaborative relationship with Sansa at this point.

Maybe this is too basic, but think of it this way. Sansa is one of the smartest characters in the show now. She's going to figure Daenerys out, and that's a good thing. In what universe is Daenerys a greater threat to Sansa and Winterfell than Cersei? On the contrary, Daenerys is so obviously Sansa's ticket to defeating Cersei once and for all.
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Reply #659 on: April 16, 2019, 11:54:46 AM
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You might be on to something there. I don't really want either Jon or Dany to "win" as both are kinda boring and for either one to win wouldn't really be in-keeping with GOT's reputation for subverting the genre. If both die, is the Targaryen lineage over? So we'd be looking to the Lannister lineage for continuity? I'm Team Cersei all the way, but there's no way she's going to make it to the end. Jamie would then be "next in line to the throne," right? Is a Sansa-Jamie marriage/alliance a possibility? Probably not with the Bran factor, right? So maybe Jamie dies too and the throne passes by right to Tyrion, but he abdicates in favor of Sansa and Arya...? It would be cool for the series to end with Arya having the title The Queen Slayer.


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It would feel very GoT if Dany turned out to be bad, though.  Imagine if Dany turn out to be horrible, kills Jon and then "win" as the villain. That would feel awful for many of us, considering we've been rooting for her since the beginning. And Jon isn't very lucky with love is he? Hehe.

Perhaps Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany? What will Aryas big moment be? I think Arya killing Cersei would be too straightforward/predictable as well. And the main characters dying in the battle wouldn't be shocking enough for GoT. The main characters turning on each other on the other hand...

What if Gendry end up as the King? If they decided to vote for it, who would the people vote on? Gendry grew up poor and knows the people of Kings Landing more than anyone else. I know who I'd vote for, lol.

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