Ocean's Next Heist
13 is the new 12
Ocean's Twelve might not have been the same blockbuster hit that Ocean's Eleven was, but it still pulled in a nice take of its own, and producer Jerry Weintraub and the Warner Bros. studio would like to keep the caper series going.
According to industry mag Variety, Weintraub is in talks with director Steven Soderbergh and George Clooney to get the gang back together for a third installment in the all-star heist pic series.
A candidate script for Ocean's third big job is already finished, apparently, and the studio is eager to start filming before the end of 2006. There's no word yet on what the picture would be about; presumably, there'll be another big jackpot that the gang just can't ignore, and another tangled plot involved in acquiring it. We'll let you know what develops.
No.
seconded. i dont think soderbergh has any interest in this. unless he figures PURELY to keep making his other movies he has to do this. but even with a 'one for them' mentality i cant think of anything less interesting than this and i'm sure he cant either. even with most of the cast i'd rather ANY other film than this that could still be fun and make money. look for brett ratner to take over the directing duties once soderbergh declines/drops out.
Tell me, Mod, are you excited for Mission Impossible: 3?
The first two Mission Impossible films were slim attempts to tell stories through different genre techniques. A similiar thing was done with Ocean's Eleven and Twelve but the results were really good for both. The heist film has still has new incarnations to take than what has already been done with both those movies. I'm excited and I believe this will be made. Clooney was optimistic for a third one when the second film was made.
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 04, 2006, 02:45:54 PM
13 is the new 12
The tagline bakers everywhere have been waiting for.
They really blew it jumping from Oceans 11 to Oceans 12... they should have gone to Oceans 10 and keep releasing them, letting a character die each time (that way as people drop out, they don't have to replace them).
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on January 04, 2006, 04:55:47 PM
Tell me, Mod, are you excited for Mission Impossible: 3?
The first two Mission Impossible films were slim attempts to tell stories through different genre techniques. A similiar thing was done with Ocean's Eleven and Twelve but the results were really good for both. The heist film has still has new incarnations to take than what has already been done with both those movies. I'm excited and I believe this will be made. Clooney was optimistic for a third one when the second film was made.
yes but only because J.J. Abrams is behind it. if it had not been for him directing and co-writing i would not be interested. i liked the first mission impossible a lot but hated the second one. same with oceans. its easier for me to see the comparison of different styles because of the directors changing but soderbergh back for another round is useless. id rather he didnt waste his time. the first was a breezy bit of fun, the second was awful and apparent that we really dont give a shit about these characters. theres no point in taking them further. the actors are likable/bankable, come up with something else to do with them. i still dont think there's anyway soderbergh will do this.
Soderbergh will need the money from these films to finance his doll movies.
Quote from: modage on January 04, 2006, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on January 04, 2006, 04:55:47 PM
Tell me, Mod, are you excited for Mission Impossible: 3?
The first two Mission Impossible films were slim attempts to tell stories through different genre techniques. A similiar thing was done with Ocean's Eleven and Twelve but the results were really good for both. The heist film has still has new incarnations to take than what has already been done with both those movies. I'm excited and I believe this will be made. Clooney was optimistic for a third one when the second film was made.
yes but only because J.J. Abrams is behind it. if it had not been for him directing and co-writing i would not be interested. i liked the first mission impossible a lot but hated the second one. same with oceans. its easier for me to see the comparison of different styles because of the directors changing but soderbergh back for another round is useless. id rather he didnt waste his time. the first was a breezy bit of fun, the second was awful and apparent that we really dont give a shit about these characters. theres no point in taking them further. the actors are likable/bankable, come up with something else to do with them. i still dont think there's anyway soderbergh will do this.
Understandable when our opinion of Ocean's Twelve is just very different
Soderbergh on Ocean's 13 and Che
Source: ComingSoon.net
Director Steven Soderbergh has an incredibly interesting career, from his early indie Sex, Lies and Videotape to his dual Oscar nominations for Erin Brockovich and Traffic to his latest experimental project, the independent crime drama Bubble, Soderbergh's first film using non-actors, part of a deal with HDNet Films that will be released concurrently in theatres, DVD and other media.
When ComingSoon.net spoke to Soderbergh about this new project, we were just as curious about the recent announcement that the director plans to return for a third time to do another Danny Ocean movie, and we wondered if the director made those movies to be able to finance smaller films like Bubble. "No, I love making those," he told us. "It's just balance. I want to be able to move in as many and whatever direction I want, and part of that is that every once in awhile, you have to make a movie that everyone has heard of. Both the second one and this one were generated by me saying that I want to do another one. Certainly, nobody's asking for this one. I just had another idea and went to everybody, and everybody said 'Fine.'
"I checked with them before we even got started, just to make sure," he continued when asked whether the entire cast, including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon and the rest would return like they did in Ocean's 12. "I said that I had an idea and I want to go back, but I'm not doing it unless everybody is on board."
"As a director, I get to do things in those movies that I can't do anywhere else, so they're fun for me," he said, explaining the appeal of the "Ocean" franchise to him. "They're not easy in the sense that I work hard on them. You really have to show up every day with ideas to keep things moving along, and sometimes that's hard, because there are days when you don't have any ideas. It's also difficult to find material that is really commercial that doesn't make you feel bad in the morning, so these are great opportunities for me."
We also wondered how progress was going on his other film Che about the Latin American political revolutionary, to be played by Benicio Del Toro, who won an Oscar for his role in Soderbergh's Traffic. "It's a hard one to describe because we're still working on the script," Soderbergh replied. "I'm working with a writer. I was on initially, then Terry Malick came on for a while, and then he left and I came back on. It's something that Laura Bickford, who produced 'Traffic,' and Benicio [Del Toro] and I have been talking about since 'Traffic,' and we're just now starting to get close, I think, to having the script the way we want. He's a very complicated subject, because he's one of the few figures that holds up the more you scrutinize him, but he was really complicated, and it's been hard to figure out what story we want to tell because there's a lot of story there. When Terry was working on the movie, it was only about Bolivia, but our movie is about Cuba and Bolivia, basically, it's a war movie. There may be some stuff from [Malick's production] that will survive. We're actually shooting six days in New York this month, which we're then going to hold, and then the rest of the film will be shot next year. The sequence we're shooting now is when he came to New York and spoke at the U.N. in December of '64. I guess the U.N. is going to be refurbished, and we've gotta get in there before they do."
Look for more with Soderbergh on Bubble, sometime in the next few weeks.
wow, color me wrong. :shock:
that's cool of the u.n to let them reenact that particular bit of history on the premises.
Quote from: modage on January 04, 2006, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on January 04, 2006, 04:55:47 PM
Tell me, Mod, are you excited for Mission Impossible: 3?
The first two Mission Impossible films were slim attempts to tell stories through different genre techniques. A similiar thing was done with Ocean's Eleven and Twelve but the results were really good for both. The heist film has still has new incarnations to take than what has already been done with both those movies. I'm excited and I believe this will be made. Clooney was optimistic for a third one when the second film was made.
yes but only because J.J. Abrams is behind it. if it had not been for him directing and co-writing i would not be interested. i liked the first mission impossible a lot but hated the second one. same with oceans. its easier for me to see the comparison of different styles because of the directors changing but soderbergh back for another round is useless. id rather he didnt waste his time. the first was a breezy bit of fun, the second was awful and apparent that we really dont give a shit about these characters. theres no point in taking them further. the actors are likable/bankable, come up with something else to do with them. i still dont think there's anyway soderbergh will do this.
You know, I actually hated Oceans 12 at first too. I mean, I really wouldn't even pay enough attention to it to give it what it really deserved. I just decided "this is a little cliche, haven't I seen that before?"....etc. I ignored how intelligent the new plot actually was.
After watching it with my boyfriend, I was able to really like it. It's smart. Much different than the first one, but it still has the familiarity. I love that in movies. I guess I'm a big sequel person. Chances are, if a movie has a sequel(or multiple sequels) I'm watching it. I love being able to connect things....but ANYWAY....I did end up liking 12. I especially loved the part with Julia Roberts...that was very funny. And this twist was so different from 11's. I was so confused, once again, until the very end...and I LOVE that. I don't think I would really mind another one. It at least has my vote.
I will admit....3rd movies can get a little bit....hmm.....icky. I'm not sure how else to say it. Take Final Destination 3 for example........talk about deja vu....
Here we go again. So that Clooney, Pitt, Soderbergh and all those guys can go to europe to live they life, pretend they're making a movie, release it and be even more rich...
I fell asleep during Ocean's 12, first time in ages. It was as boring as reading about how fun it was to shoot it for Julia Roberts and co.
whatever.
it's all about the money. eventually people will stop going to the Ocean's movies and they'll stop making them.
Probably not true. And would you guys do it if you could?
wait, so you're saying there was an ocean's 12?
You just made my day.
Ocean's 13: Who's In
A new leading lady.
Ocean's Thirteen is moving ahead full-steam, and a development date has now been set — welcome news to fans of the series and the heist genre in general. The picture will begin shooting on July 21st under the direction of Steven Soderbergh once again, reports Variety.
Thirteen will be just like good old times, with all eleven of Danny Ocean's gang back for the new caper (or capers). Apparently, George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, and Soderbergh all had to make some concessions in order to get their schedules lined up; however difficult a $100-million-heist is to plan, it can't be worst than coordinating the itineraries of three of Hollywood's hottest actors. "The odds were long on this happening, and it would not have been possible were it not for those actors and director moving other projects out of the way," said producer Jerry Weintraub. "The five of us are all great friends, and we decided we were going to kill ourselves to get this done."
Also returning is Andy Garcia's gambling mogul; it's interesting to speculate what his part will be this time, since he's already gotten his lucre back.
Not returning, unfortunately, are the last film's leading ladies — Julia Roberts and Catherine Zeta-Jones. Hopefully, they'll be left out in a way that makes sense, without doing anything drastic to their characters and undoing the progress of the last two films. Instead, Ellen Barkin (The Big Easy, Switch) will be Thirteen's starring actress; apparently, she'll be having a tangle with Damon's character.
Ocean's Thirteen will return to its roots this time and be set in a casino again (giving a hint as to why Terry Benedict is back). However, shooting on location at the Bellagio during Eleven was too difficult, so Soderbergh will oversee the construction of a fully operational casino on five Warner Brothers sound-stages.
Ocean's Thirteen is expected in theaters in the summer of 2007.
Jolie Raiding Casinos?
Starlet could join Ocean's 13.
George Clooney and the actors portraying Danny Ocean's 10 cohorts are all returning for a new heist in Ocean's 13. The bad news is that the caper sequel will be without the actresses that headlined 12, Julia Roberts and Catherine Zeta-Jones.
However, it looks like another big female name might be next to Clooney's on the marquee come summer of 2007: Angelina Jolie, star of the Tomb Raider films and Brad Pitt's significant other. Ananova reports that Jolie is in talks to join Ocean's 13. No office confirmation has been given yet, but one could be forthcoming if the report is accurate.
Jolie recently appeared with Pitt in Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and worked alongside Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd
As we reported earlier, Ocean's 13 will feature a new casino job and is to largely be shot on sound stages instead of a real-life casino. Actress Ellen Barkin has also joined the production, possibly as a romantic interest for Damon's character.
Ali G Gambles on Ocean's 13?
Who knew George Clooney was such a big Ali G fan? Apparently, the Good Night, and Good Luck director is so into the British comedian, he wrote a part in Ocean's Thirteen specifically for him. With Talladega Nights due out this summer, Ali G (or Sacha Baron Cohen) is beginning to show signs he's ready to roll with the big boys.
Now that we're just three months away from the start of production, casting for Danny Ocean's third trip to the big screen is really starting to heat up. Recently, after news broke that neither Julia Roberts nor Catherine Zeta-Jones were returning, everyone from Jennifer Lopez to Angelina Jolie are rumored to be interested in a role. Clooney admitted to Sky News that he's a big fan of Cohen's work and that, if he decides to get down with the role, he'd be playing an "oddball character." Oh, and the rest of Ocean's crew are just so normal, right?
In related news, singers Barry Manilow and Céline Dion are also in talks for roles in the film. If that's the case, then this means part of the plot will probably surround a Dion/Manilow concert. Wicked!
Ali G + Barry Manilow/Celine Dion + Angelina Jolie = $$$$
I'm curious...
Quote from: MacGuffin on April 17, 2006, 12:00:45 AMIn related news, singers Barry Manilow and Céline Dion are also in talks for roles in the film. If that's the case, then this means part of the plot will probably surround a Dion/Manilow concert. Wicked!
:shock:
céline dion's voice gives me migraines. seriously.
Pacino Swims into Clooney's Ocean
Reporting the casting news on an Ocean's Eleven sequel is pretty much a full-time job, but we can handle it. Not long after learing that Julia and Catherine were out and that Ellen Barkin was in (and also that George Clooney apparently has a soft spot for Ali G), we now hear reliable reports that the surprisingly diminutive Al Pacino has been cast as a casino owner in Ocean's Thirteen.
Definitely returning for a third heist-fest are Clooney, Pitt, Damon, Mac, Cheadle, and Garcia. Toss Pacino and Barkin into the mix and you've got almost half the cast you'll need for a new Ocean adventure. Variety reports that the always-busy Steven Soderbergh plans to begin shooting Thirteen on July 21st, in and around such dazzling locations as Las Vegas and Los Angeles, but also that plot details are being kept under wraps. (Clooney's also switching screenwriters again; Ocean's Eleven was written by Ted (Matchstick Men) Griffin; Ocean's Twelve by George (The Sentinel) Nolfi; the third is presently being written by the successful duo of Koppelman & Livien, best known for Rounders -- although they also wrote Walking Tall, Knockaround Guys, and Runaway Jury.)
Expect the inevitably star-studded Ocean's Thirteen to steal into movie theaters in summer of 2007.
I just saw Pacino in Salome over the weekend in L.A. and was left with wanting nothing more than MORE PACINO (crazy I know), so hells yeah.
I also just saw Dog Day Afternoon over the weekend and I was watching Devils Advocate last night and hoping to see him do a cool part soon... I'm not sure thats it though
Ocean's 13 Casting Rumor
Hugh Grant set for heist sequel?
Hugh Grant could be yet another well-known face joining Ocean's Thirteen. According to New! magazine and Clooney Studio, George Clooney might be trying to entice Grant to join his next caper.
"I love George, and the fact that he films his movies so quickly also makes me happy," Hugh apparently said. "I will look at whatever he has to offer, and if it's right, then I would jump at the chance."
Another rumored addition for a female role is Angelina Jolie, and Al Pacino has signed on as a Hotel-Casino owner. Additionally, Andy Garcia and all the members of Clooney's gang, including Brad Pitt and Matt Damon, are returning again. You have to wonder what their acting budget is.
Ocean's Thirteen is expected to go into production this July and should reach theaters in June, 2007.
hugh grant? eewwww.
Quote from: ©brad on May 04, 2006, 05:52:29 PM
hugh grant? keewwwwl.
With the right material and cast around him Grant can be hilarious, which I think
Ocean 13 may provide (I loved
12). Just like the Pacino addition, too me this casting rumour feels very right. Grant could fit into the gang as seemlessly as he would stand out, which is what most of them already do. He'd probably make a great villain too.
Quote from: Just Withnail on May 05, 2006, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: ©brad on May 04, 2006, 05:52:29 PM
hugh grant? keewwwwl.
With the right material and cast around him Grant can be hilarious, which I think Ocean 13 may provide (I loved 12). Just like the Pacino addition, too me this casting rumour feels very right. Grant could fit into the gang as seemlessly as he would stand out, which is what most of them already do. He'd probably make a great villain too.
it was a subtle (well, maybe not that subtle) simpsons reference.
TOUR GUIDE: And here's where Hugh Grant-
MARGE: Eww.
TOUR GUIDE:- filmed the movie
Nine Months.
MARGE: EEEEWWWWWW.
hehehehe.
:lol:
No Ocean's 14?
Source: Clooney Studio
Clooney Studio received several reports from the Edinburgh International Film Festival where Ocean's 13 director Steven Soderbergh mentioned that this was the last installment in the franchise. Here are a few quotes:
Ocean's 13 will be the last one. Especially George wanted "to go out strong", and Ocean's 12 was too complicated. Ocean's 13 is a comedy, and this time Al Pacino is a great bad guy in fact "this guy's a monster!" said Steven Soderbergh yesterday to a maybe 1000-1200 people strong crowd in his interview with Shane Danielsen, The Director of Edinburgh International Film Festival.
David Holmes is back to compose the original music - "He's so good - so gifted" Steven Soderbergh.
Warner Bros. will release the third film on June 8, 2007.
Source: MTV
"This one is going to be the one we should have made last time." That's what Casey Affleck said about "Ocean's Thirteen," the currently filming sequel that once again puts the actor alongside co-conspirators George Clooney, Matt Damon and Brad Pitt. "It's going to be a lot better [than 'Ocean's Twelve']," Affleck assured. "It's back in Las Vegas, for one thing, and it's more going back to the kind of 'Ocean's Eleven' vibe, which is just a little bit more fun in Vegas — the right place for these stories and these characters." The 32-year-old Affleck is eager to once again spar with onscreen brother Scott Caan, and he's thrilled to be using two languages this time around. "I get to speak a little Spanish in this one, which I'm pretty excited about," Affleck revealed. "I actually lived in Mexico for a little while when I was a kid, so I speak Spanish, and when I got the script and looked through it and it was all in Spanish, I thought, 'Is this a joke?' But it wasn't." This time around, the Ocean gang is joined by Ellen Barkin and Al Pacino (as a dangerous casino owner), with the flick due in theaters in June. "You never know if something's going to be good or not," Affleck grinned, perhaps recalling some unenthusiastic "Twelve" reviews. "But it seems to me like this one's going to be great."
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
"This one is going to be the one we should have made last time." That's what Casey Affleck said about "Ocean's Thirteen,"
geez, so does everyone involved unanimously regret ocean's 12? i mean, does soderbergh even like it at least?
Well, I like it, and that's really all that counts.
Quote from: Pubrick on August 24, 2006, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
"This one is going to be the one we should have made last time." That's what Casey Affleck said about "Ocean's Thirteen,"
geez, so does everyone involved unanimously regret ocean's 12? i mean, does soderbergh even like it at least?
if he's got any sense in his damn head, he does (regret it).
Ocean's 12 was great. Ocean's 13 will probably be disgustingly and achingly desperate for the Ocean's 11 'cool,' and will thusly fall flat on its face.
Back to crime scene in 'Ocean's'
Source: Los Angeles Times
Poor Brad had to abandon the quiet solitude of Namibia (and the not-so-quiet company of Angelina, Shiloh, Maddox and Zahara) so he could rejoin his extended family of millionaire actor friends in the Valley to shoot "Ocean's Thirteen," yet another installment of the aren't-we-clever heist franchise. (Not to worry: Word is that the studio has provided the hardworking cast with a full-scale re-creation of Lake Como on the Warner Bros. lot to ensure that the ensemble retained the "magic.") The January draft of the screenplay, by the "Rounders" team of Brian Koppelman and David Levien, has Rusty, Danny, Linus and the gang re-forming in Vegas to avenge the flamboyant Reuben Tishkoff (Elliott Gould), who's been rooked by a Steve Wynn-type master of the universe named Willie Banks (Al Pacino). Their revenge caper? To engineer a nine-minute window during which every single gambler at Banks' casino wins.
But the moment the franchise had Julia Roberts playing Julia Roberts, wasn't it clear that Soderbergh and Co. were down to the felt? Only Julia had the sense to pick up her chips and head for the high-minded, Oscar-saturated safety of "Charlie Wilson's War," which stars Tom Hanks and Philip Seymour Hoffman and is directed by Mike Nichols.
Quote from: modage on August 25, 2006, 08:39:48 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on August 24, 2006, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
"This one is going to be the one we should have made last time." That's what Casey Affleck said about "Ocean's Thirteen,"
geez, so does everyone involved unanimously regret ocean's 12? i mean, does soderbergh even like it at least?
if he's got any sense in his damn head, he does (regret like it).
fixed.
Soderbergh and Clooney on Ocean's 13
Source: ComingSoon
This year, there were a lot of high profile threequels (AKA sequels to sequels) but one of the big ones for next summer is likely to be Ocean's 13, the second sequel to director Steven Soderbergh's 2001 remake of Ocean's 11. He's reunited the entire cast including his long-time leading man George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Matt Damon et al for one last fling. At the junket for Soderbergh's next film The Good German, Soderbergh and Clooney talked about what to expect from next summer's threequel.
"'13' happened because we thought we could do it better than '12' and we didn't want to go out getting socked in the chin on one," Clooney admitted when asked why he decided to return to reprise the role of Danny Ocean. "We were both like, 'We both know how to do this.' And we found a really good reason to do it, which is revenge, which I think is just such a good motivator after you've had these guys make a lot of money. What are you going to do? 'Let's make some more money'? This was just about getting somebody who wasn't one of our guys. I always love films like that. That made sense to us and that seemed like a good reason to do it. There doesn't seem to be any other reason to come back. And it's back to '11' in terms of spending more time with the guys."
When asked whether he was taking any risks on the third movie, Soderbergh responded, somewhat facetiously, that they were very risky, though he looked at the third movie a bit more poignantly. "I'm really happy with it, but it was kind of sad near the end of it to go, 'Well, this is the last time I'm going to see these people in a room. I really like them all and they really like each other, and there was a very strong sense that we were really lucky that these movies came about and we were able to do them and this was it. At the end of it, there was a real sense of passage and wondering for me whether I'll ever find another commercial movie to make. But also just those people, I won't be hanging out with those people anymore."
When another person suggested that Ocean's 13 didn't have to be the last one, Soderbergh disagreed, "Yeah, it does."
Clooney wasn't so closed-minded about ever doing another one, saying with his usual charm, "Listen, Rocky 17, who knows? Maybe ten years from now I need a job again, I'll take it, but right now, we don't plan on it."
Ocean's 13 is scheduled to come out on June 8, 2007, but before then, you can catch Clooney in Soderbergh's next film The Good German, out in limited release on December 15.
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i said goddamn those are some big foreheads!
:? :ponder: :yabbse-huh:
Man, you gotta spoiler warning that shit... now the "sitting in the airport (or bus or train station)" scene is ruined for me.
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look who just learned photoshop!
Teaser Trailer here. (http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2006/oceans13_024822/oceans13_trlr_01_kertgy_dl.mov)
I like the mustaches.
But it's oddly uncomfortable knowing that Julia Roberts isn't in this one. I guess because if SHE didn't want to be in it, then, well... yikes!
maybe she relized how useless she was after the 'beef up' of the character they tried to pull off in twelve.
I bet she still shows up in it anyway.
looks good. probably not as impressive a teaser as the 2nd one but we know how that panned out anyway. i dont know if there is a film soderbergh could make that i wouldnt see, but i'm glad he/the cast seem to be on the same page that the 2nd one sucked. did anyone else think the oceans 13 logo looked a little familiar? dekapenticon maybe?
I enjoyed oceans 12 much more than oceans 11, even with the julia gag.
i'm sure she will be a plot point in this one, if not a major character.
Am I the only one ecstatic over the lack of Julia Roberts? I mean, she's dead weight, right? I'm sure we can all agree on that.
You are not, she is, and we can.
I'm psyched about this. Watched the first one the other day and was reminded how good it was. Soderbergh + Clooney = a usually reliable formula. I like the tone of the trailer and if that's maintained then it could be mighty fine.
Plus Pacino might have found a nice sleazily entertaining role for himself and Ellen Barkin is hot. And if they ever decide to use The Penguin again in Nolan's Batman movies then Matt Damon with that fake nose is a surefire candidate.
Quote from: polkablues on December 21, 2006, 01:40:54 AM
Am I the only one ecstatic over the lack of Julia Roberts? I mean, she's dead weight, right? I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Absolutely. My concern isn't that there will be little or no Julia Roberts in the movie. It's that the script might be so bad that she didn't want to be in it. She was the MacGuffin of the first one and was important in the second one (I must be the only one who liked the Julia gag in 12) so it stands to reason that if she isn't a featured character in the third one, it's because she doesn't want to be in it.
Kind of like Steve Guttenberg not doing Police Academy 5.
that "teaser" almost put me to sleep (except for the last exchange btwn clooney and andy garcia...). did it have a pulse, or are my laptop speakers that shitty?
they shoulda done something cool w/ pacino in the teaser, liked save his appearance until the end. it would've been a nice surprise to the general movie going public who doesn't scour the movie-news-flooded internet 24/7 to learn that he was in this thing.
i liked ocean's 12, despite it's nonsensical plot and catherine zeta jone's annoying-as-hell character. the fact that this movie is being positioned as a "recovery" from ocean's 12 makes me wary.
New Trailer here. (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/trailers/1809699091/qtfull/?http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1567327&sdm=web&qtw=480&qth=300)
Ocean's Thirteen
Source: Entertainment Weekly
George Clooney had a very simple reason to reunite with director Steven Soderbergh for a third Ocean's movie: ''Steven and I don't like getting tagged in the chin all that often.'' No kidding. After the release of 2004's Ocean's Twelve, the highly successful duo got taken to pieces by critics for being lazy and self-indulgent. ''It wasn't as good, and that was our fault,'' admits the Academy Award-winning actor. ''So when we started working on this one, we thought, The secret is to get it back to just the guys doing what they do. Steven said we should call it Ocean's: The One We Should Have Made Last Time.''
And what are the guys doing this time around? Let's ask Ellen Barkin, who, along with Al Pacino, represents this edition's principal fresh blood. Alas, the longtime friend of Clooney and franchise producer Jerry Weintraub dutifully refuses to elaborate on the plot. Even when we threaten to shoot a pretend puppy in our pretend lap unless she coughs up some answers, the actress huskily purrs, ''Oh, I hate animals, including my own.''
Thankfully, Matt Damon turns out to be a total blabbermouth. ''It's a straight revenge story,'' says the actor. ''Al Pacino is a big-time Vegas guy who's building the greatest hotel ever and screws [Elliott Gould] out of his share. So the guys get back together to make sure that the hotel goes down in flames.''
Now, that sounds like an Ocean's movie. But even if it connects with audiences like the original, Clooney is adamant it will be the last installment — at least with him. ''If you ask Jerry, there should be 20 of them,'' he laughs. ''But I think they're going to have to go to the next generation — because [pretty soon] we're going to have colostomy bags and wheelchairs.''
International Trailer here. (http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbol/uk/movies/oceans13/oceans_thirteen_tlrf7_qt_500.mov)
To say that it's the first part 3 of the season that delivers exactly what it promised isn't saying much but it's not bad. I put it in the same category of entertaining but unnecessary sequels along with Terminator 3. I had fun, the Ocean's 12 haters by and large will enjoy this one, you'll leave with a smile on your face but if the movie had never been made, you'd never ask for it. And by now, you know the formula; it's never a question of "will they pull it off?" but "how will they pull it off?" So if you're watching the Ocean's movies for anything other than a 2-hour dose of cool (or surprisingly, Al Pacino's most natural performance in the last 30 years), don't bother with this one; just watch the other two.
This one, though, has a major plot hole which would have bothered me if the movie wasn't so inconsequential: [SPOILER] If Carl Reiner is this old-guard Vegas dude, as is Al Pacino, how the fuck, in all these years of being in and around Vegas, presumably knowing the same people, did Pacino not recognize him? And for that matter, how did he not know that Clooney and company ripped off Andy Garcia? You'd think that a big-balls casino owner would know who they are because everyone else seems to know who they are. [END SPOILER]
And with the women completely gone from the movie, it's finally very clear that the movies are about the love story between George Clooney and Brad Pitt's characters.
All in all, it's fine for the time you're there, but once it's over, you'll likely never see it again until channel-surfing past TNT one night at 3 in the morning.
Now Soderbergh needs to stop fucking around and make the Che movies already.
this movie is firmly OKAY. it is passable entertainment but i sort of recommend that you don't see it. 11 was a perfect popcorn movie, it was well constructed, smart, funny, and had a great cast. 12 had a great cast, and some great moments (like the opening sequence), but it also had some cringeworthy moments (like the Julia Roberts Julia Roberts scene). i don't think there is anything in 13 that approaches the heights of that opening scene in 12 but there is nothing that will make you cringe like its lows either. it more-or-less, with the exception of soderberghs restless camerawork, plays it safe.
the first film takes its time in introducing the characters and giving you a reason for them to come together before the big "how they plan to do it" explanation. 13 spends about 5 minutes to show you that everyone has already gotten together and begins into an almost 30 minute explanation of "how they plan to do it". there are too many characters, too many of them with too little to do, and the con is almost needlessly complicated and yet when it's over you're thinking "wait, are they done?"
i can't help but think of 11 and how when i left the theatre i thought "i hope they make 100 of these. if not sequels, then just movies where they allow this cast to get together and have fun". but a mere two movies later its official, that magic was a one-time-only offer. still, as a soderbergh fan i am worried what will happen to his career without these hits to fall back on inbetween his flops. and i'm also worried that it's now been 5 years since i've really LOVED one of his films.
yeah this wasn't good. the worst of the 3 actually. and i wanted to like it, i really did. i agree w/ mod, although i would say even 12 was better.
beefs
- it's really boring.
- it has no beginning. it just starts. i'm not saying we need a prolonged introduction sequence a la the first two, but it needs something. anything. pacino's introduction was so sloppy. it just cuts to him as if he'd been in several scenes prior.
- speaking of pacino, he should've been much meaner. such a shame. pacino can play a villian better than anyone, but he's such a pussy here. i actually felt sorry for him. but i blame the script. which brings me to my next beef
- the script is so exposition-heavy and unnecessarily complicated. and yet, the heist, which we expect to be the most difficult to accomplish of the trilogy, turns out to be the easiest, by far. seriously, the gang pulls it off in their sleep. you never feel they are in any real danger. no red herrings, no surprises, no hurdles, no suspense(!), no big fuckups. it makes you wonder why a movie is being made about it in the first place. if they were so concerned with recapturing the essense of 11, why didn't they get ted griffin back to scribe?
- lack of funnies. say what you will about 12, at least it had some good laughs. this had a few "that was sorta funny" moments but nothing "hahah!"
- the colors were nice, but i found soderbergh's restless camerawork, as mod called it, quite underwhelming. in the "cool soderbergh shot" arena, this doesn't hold a candle to the first two.
- i think these got progressively worse b/c they keep adding characters, and thus we never spend enough time w/ any one of them to really care.
it's not one you need to see in the theater. it's not even a rental. it's a "wait until it comes on hbo and there's nothing else on"-er. at best.
soderbergh should direct medellin with casey affleck as pablo.
I actually realy enjoyed the movie, but I have no idea why. There's no dramatic tension whatsoever... any minor setbacks they encounter are resolved so quickly and effortlessly that they don't even matter. It's the closest thing to a dramatic straight line you'll ever see in a major movie; the characters come up with a plan, they execute the plan, the end.
But still, I really, really enjoyed myself the whole time. It's a contagious sort of fun that those guys all have when they're making these movies, and I caught it, despite my better judgement.
i too really enjoyed this. i loved all the jokes, especially the ones that left you thinking about them for a second, then they hit you. the audience i saw it with all reacted at the same time too. little affleck was the best id say.
it was fun stuff, plain & simple. and soderbergh's camerawork and little gimmicks does it for me. even in the ocean flicks, that aspect alone entertains me enough.
By the moment of electric blue ventellation shafts I thought maybe the movie was having Too Much Fun. There simply wasn't any character development at all - it was suit wearing Vegas heist action all the way through. This complicated my emotions, because initially I was very appreciative of Soderbergh's energy (it's been a very dull year) and I sensed that he was committing to unfolding the plot with the enthusiasm speed and fun of pure cinema. But then he took for granted the audience's familiarity with the characters, exploited all the congratulations and all the release of victory, and sang his one note. It was hard for me to stay amused.
i said... fun stuff... plain-and-simple.
absolutely poz. i had a lot of fun with this one. i loved the affleck subplot in mexico the most, but i consistently chuckled throughout the movie. i still think they should make one of these every two or three years. even with 12, i had a really good time.
I absolutely loved this. These films have got progressively more fun (as guaged by the exuberance of the opening cards - this time was like Austin Powers).
It's sad that Linus has grown up because that kind of signals the end for this series. He always had the strongest arc and his nervous insecurity was always the comedic highlight of the films for me (particularly 12 - "would you call Emily Dickinson a freak?").
I really liked Soderbergh's "restless camera". He really knows how to zoom - optically and digitally. His playful style is absolutely essential to prserving the modesty and subtlety of the films character driven comedy even in the face of huge budgets and visual effects. Take his title cards - I love how they seem like he made them himself in FCP (maybe he did).
In terms of weighing up which film is best, I really thought it would be easy but Im finding it hard to decide. I suppose it's a bit like Indiana Jones for me - Raiders/11 is obviously the classiest but Temple of Doom/12 is just so much fun and the one most likely to re-watch on the spur of the moment, Last Crusade/13 - is a exciting finale full of the characters you've come to love. Nothing in either of the sequels has capped Clair De Lune at the Belaggio, though and I liked the nod to his in 13.
More Soderbergh, please.
I'm with Modage on this. It's mildly entertaning, partially diverting, but you can really feel the wheels turning. The worst scene is the one at the end, where they all watch the fireworks -- it's awful, because it so obviously is trying repeat the magic of that wonderful scene in the first film where they all gather to watch the Bellagio fountains after the con. But the first film completely earned that moment - this one just tacks it on and hopes it works.
The first Ocean film was an amazing piece of entertainment. The second was a terrific piece of experimentation. This one is a paycheck.
To put it simply, I thought 11 was absolutely great entertainment, 12 was painfully unfunny for the most part, and 13 only confirmed that after the first one, they were all there for their own fun. Which is great for them, I guess, but I wanted to be amused as well, and I sure wasn't. Take away some inside jokes or cool shots, and you have nothing but flowers. It's a mere exercise on movie coolness, and zero on character development or dramatic construction. I wish I had loved it, but it really was a waste of (a lot of) talent.