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Title: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: The Red Vine on December 26, 2005, 09:10:55 AM
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This movie came out in August and the filmmakers pretty much insisted on it having the title of the "most brutal movie ever".  I had never heard of it until I read Roger Ebert's zero-star review. I think it's a remake in some ways of Wes Craven's Last House on the Left. It's gotten awful reviews from most everyone else too (out of the very small audience that actually did see it). It's probably crap.

Here's a trailer...

http://www.onlyamovie.com/trailer.html
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: mogwai on December 26, 2005, 09:40:23 AM
well that was shit!

talking about shit, i thought the trailer was an ad for laxatives. (for severe constipation)
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Gamblour. on December 26, 2005, 12:30:58 PM
Ebert absolutely hates it.

Review: Zero Stars (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/508110303/1023)

A discussion with the filmmakers (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050818/COMMENTARY/508190304)
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: squints on December 26, 2005, 01:05:24 PM
I remember reading the whole thing with ebert a long while ago, the director dresses like a professional wrestler. I figured it was trash and hoped the xixaxers wouldn't even bother
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: bonanzataz on December 27, 2005, 09:14:53 AM
that ebert review makes it sound like one of the best horror movies to come out in years! now i'm dying to see this!

Quote from: roger ebertIt is an exercise in heartless cruelty and it ends with careless brutality. The movie denies not only the value of life, but the possibility of hope.

a film that transcends all barriers of decency.

I cannot ignore it, nor can I deny that it affected me strongly

when was the last time a movie made you feel like that?! how can none of you even be slightly intrigued?! this movie sounds very important. it is almost impossible to shock an american movie audience these days. it sounds like this movie succeeded. i'm going to try and check it out.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Pubrick on December 27, 2005, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on December 27, 2005, 09:14:53 AM
when was the last time a movie made you feel like that?!
wolf creek (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=8125.msg202866#msg202866). check it out before this american crap.

thanks.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: bonanzataz on December 27, 2005, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on December 27, 2005, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on December 27, 2005, 09:14:53 AM
when was the last time a movie made you feel like that?!
wolf creek (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=8125.msg202866#msg202866). check it out before this american crap.

thanks.

i'm dying to see wolf creek, but my friend says it's shit. looks like it'll have to do, though, b/c this movie's been out of theaters for months, and it doesn't look like a dvd release is coming any time soon.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 27, 2005, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on December 27, 2005, 09:14:53 AM
when was the last time a movie made you feel like that?! how can none of you even be slightly intrigued?! this movie sounds very important. it is almost impossible to shock an american movie audience these days. it sounds like this movie succeeded. i'm going to try and check it out.

SPOILERS

You're not wrong, it does sound like this movie succeeds in shocking people because we're so desensitized to fake violence that the only way to get us these days is to give us as close to real violence as possible.  But that doesn't mean it's entertaining.  And judging from the filmmakers' rebuttal to Ebert, it sounds like they think their film is deeper and more important than it is... in short, they sound like the Paul Haggis of splatter.  But what these guys have done is nothing special; 90 minutes of torturing and killing a girl?  Anyone could film a movie like that and it would be just as effective.  I couldn't care less about the moral implications of making a film like this; the necessity to show pure evil on film A) works against the film as an entertainment; and B) will always be undermined by documentaries of atrocities that actually occurred (4 Little Girls, any Holocaust doc, 9/11 docs, etc).  Why try and simulate evil when the real thing has been so much worse than anything anyone is capable of showing on screen?  This is no better and no more important than the PG-13 horror movies these douchebags are bashing.

I have little desire to see this outside of to see just how far they're pushing the envelope, whereas something more conventional than this appears to be has more to offer than virtual snuff.  I could be wrong, it could very well be the next Texas Chainsaw Massacre but from what Ebert said and from that wanky trailer, it looks like it's going to be the last 10 minutes of TCM stretched out to feature length.  Being scared is one thing, being freaked out is another... and being nauseated and left feeling violated is a WHOLE other thing (as I learned from My Big Fat Greek Wedding) that just isn't entertaining.  
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: The Red Vine on December 27, 2005, 12:30:58 PM
I don't know exactly how far the movie goes. Not many other people do either since it played in about 9 theaters across the country. But I saw some pics of the men cutting off her nipples, actually it was more like biting off. If it goes to those kinds of extremes with a pretentious filmmaker just trying to shock everyone like that, then the movie isn't worth seeing.

this basically says it all....

http://www.onlyamovie.com/director.html

Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Garam on December 27, 2005, 12:37:08 PM
That review is very similar to Ebert's review of I spit on your grave. He's not such a big fan of exploitation.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Ravi on December 27, 2005, 01:08:54 PM
I'm more interested in being disturbed by the more plausible dark aspects of human nature than stuff like this that's just made to shock and disturb on a visceral level.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Gamblour. on December 27, 2005, 01:38:36 PM
This is about the producer from that same website:
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The producer of CHAOS is Steven Jay Bernheim. Steve is a cum laude graduate of Harvard University and has been producing films with David DeFalco under the Dominion banner for nearly 10 years.  In 2001, Steve became the co-owner of Dominion Entertainment with David DeFalco.



Steve's producing credits include the direct to video hits POINT DOOM, GANGLAND, REDEMPTION and THE BACKLOT MURDERS.  Steve's writing career began at Harvard where he was an editor of the Harvard Lampoon.  More recently, he co-wrote THE BACKLOT MURDERS.



Steven's creative influences are derived from cinéma vérité and serious drama.



Steve's role as creative producer of CHAOS involved all aspects of turning the idea into a reality, including concept and  script development, casting, production and post production.



"Of all of my film projects, CHAOS is the one that I am proudest of. Frankly, most of the other ones were basically crap, of one form or another."



"My goal in making CHAOS was, from the beginning, to see whether we could make an extremely realistic film, with great emotional impact, on a limited budget. I have always been inspired by ultrarealism and objectivity - cinema verite - in dramatic films. My favorites include IN COLD BLOOD and THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS."



"In making CHAOS, I always pushed for realism in every dimension: in the casting, in the dialogue, in the effects, in the camera work, in the absence of a score, in the sound mix, everywhere."



"During production, I had a banner made that said, KEEP IT REAL, and I hung it from my trailer."



"I think David and I accomplished the goal of making an objective, neutral and ultralistic film about a horrific crime, and I think the film is truly artistic in that achievement."



"I am proud to be one of little CHAOS's two dads."

I find it very hard to believe that this guy went to Harvard, not that dumb assholes can't get into harvard, he's probably loaded, that's probably how he gets this shit produced and bankrolled. I mean, KEEP IT REAL.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: squints on December 27, 2005, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Garam on December 27, 2005, 12:37:08 PM
That review is very similar to Ebert's review of I spit on your grave. He's not such a big fan of exploitation.

He gave last house on the left 3 1/2 stars.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Garam on December 27, 2005, 04:21:30 PM
Yeah, but that was a remake of a Bergman film, so he got some brownie points.


Kidding. I realise I'm wrong anyway, because he wrote those silly 'Beyond the valley...' movies.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 27, 2005, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on December 27, 2005, 01:38:36 PM
This is about the producer from that same website:
Quote
Steven's creative influences are derived from cinéma vérité and serious drama.

Can we change "Inspiring Actress Jacki Lynn" to "Derived From Cinéma Vérité and Serious Drama"?
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: matt35mm on December 27, 2005, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Ravi on December 27, 2005, 01:08:54 PM
I'm more interested in being disturbed by the more plausible dark aspects of human nature than stuff like this that's just made to shock and disturb on a visceral level.
Then check out In the Bedroom, if you haven't already.

I'm on a mission to get people to remember how awesome this movie is.  No one talks about it anymore, but they should.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: The Red Vine on December 27, 2005, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: matt35mm on December 27, 2005, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Ravi on December 27, 2005, 01:08:54 PM
I'm more interested in being disturbed by the more plausible dark aspects of human nature than stuff like this that's just made to shock and disturb on a visceral level.
Then check out In the Bedroom, if you haven't already.

I'm on a mission to get people to remember how awesome this movie is.  No one talks about it anymore, but they should.

Totally agree. It's a great movie that didn't get the awards it deserved and shouldn't be forgotten.
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: bonanzataz on December 28, 2005, 02:15:07 AM
Quote from: squints on December 27, 2005, 02:42:27 PM
He gave last house on the left 3 1/2 stars.

can i ask a question? why do people like this movie so much? i was so sure it was a joke and laughed the whole way through until i found out it was a horror classic... am i just cruel, or was the movie really bad?
or should i take this to another forum?
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: squints on December 28, 2005, 07:08:07 AM
Does Wesley Craven deserve his own forum?
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: Pubrick on December 28, 2005, 09:11:33 AM
Quote from: squints on December 28, 2005, 07:08:07 AM
Does Wesley Craven deserve his own forum?
Quote from: squints on December 28, 2005, 07:09:19 AM
Worst Case Scenario also taught me how to feed a family of seven on strictly ramen and mac? do sharks like ramen?
did u just discover the question mark?
Title: Re: Chaos - most brutal movie ever?
Post by: squints on December 28, 2005, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on December 28, 2005, 09:11:33 AM
Quote from: squints on December 28, 2005, 07:08:07 AM
Does Wesley Craven deserve his own forum?
Quote from: squints on December 28, 2005, 07:09:19 AM
Worst Case Scenario also taught me how to feed a family of seven on strictly ramen and mac? do sharks like ramen?
did u just discover the question mark?

you're so clever

?