What are some fully subjective movies?
I'm trying to think but I can only think of 1 that I'm certain of:
Pi
I can think of ones that almost are like:
Punch-Drunk Love - besides the Utah scenes
Forrest Gump just about is too besides the flashbacks and cut scenes to Jenny
Taxi Driver - besides the conversation at that office and Sport (the pimp) dancing with Foster singing barry white
Born On The 4th Of July just about is ain't it?
Or Wall Street?
Can anyone think of fully subjective movies? I bet there is like 20 that I forgot about. haha
Doesn't get anymore subjective than this:
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You are the camera. Robert Montgomery is really just the voice and hands, and is only seen when looking into mirrors. But all the characters talk directly to you/camera as you/he play Philip Marlowe and try to solve the mystery.
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Also, the first 10 minutes of "Strange Days".
There's the Prodigy video Smack My Bitch Up.
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure almost is, but I think there's one or two scenes of Francis trying to cover up that he in fact stole the bike.
I'm pretty sure all these meet the critereon: 8 1/2, Fight Club, Memento, Annie Hall, Stardust Memories, Deconstructing Harry, High Fidelity, Wild Strawberries, Barton Fink...
just about every one of oliver stone's movies is subjective, eps. natural born killers and any given sunday. requiem for a dream is another.
I don't understand what you mean by 'subjective'? :(
i think he means visually, as far as camera work and what not.
On the Requiem commentary track, Arronofsky said that the reason he decided to use the split screen effect is because he was looking for a way to be dually subjective.
Aren't all movies "totally subjective"?
I mean, let's go back to the Donnie Darko thread. Person "A" thinks it's brilliant, but person "B" thinks it's a big turd.
I suppose I see what you're getting at in this context, but a more accurate description of the kind of films you're thinking of might be "open for interpretation" or something like that.
Aren't we talking about films that are told entirely from one person's point of view, ie: those when the main character is in every scene - we see nothing that they couldn't see...?
yes, i mean there is no such thing as an objective film. if you look at a film like any given sunday, the football sequences are shot very subjectively- the camera is right on the field, it shakes/runs/falls down/flips over like another player.
I'm still confused. I need DionySuS to clarify. :oops:
Quote from: budgieI'm still confused.
you're not the only one
I think in this sense "subjective" means "filtered through the eyes or mind of a character". Like, "The Brothers McMullen" wouldn't apply, because it's just looking at these characters from the outside, but "Pi", on the other hand, everything we see is in relation to the main character.
I think what this thread is going for (and I don't think "subjective" is really the right word) is films that stay with the main character and offer only thier P.O.V.
Fight Club is a good example and Seven, though Fincher admits to cheating for just one shot (where Spacey is watching them from in his car.
I don't think Requiem really fits, independant of what Aaronofsky says.
So, technically, Nashville counts because Altman says the main character of the film is the city.
By Polka's definition ("filtered through the eyes or mind of a character") Waking Life is, but I don't think that's what we're going for here. And yeah, I think subjective's the wrong word - I relate it more to the movie viewing experience than the movies themselves.
A Clockwork Orange and The Four Hundred Blows are maybes.
Quote from: budgieI don't understand what you mean by 'subjective'? :(
I mean where we see the story unfold as the main character does.
Like in Pi, every scene involves Max. It never cuts away to the bad guys going "We're going to control the stock market"
Doesn't really have to be camera POV like 'Smack My Bitch Up' though.
Just so its like we are only seeing what the main character sees
And Natural Born Killers isn't... as we have heaps of cut aways to Wayne Gale doing his TV show and other things.
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A Clockwork Orange
Nah because we see a scene between his parents near the start
Very close though!
Quote from: DionySuSQuote from: budgieI don't understand what you mean by 'subjective'? :(
I mean where we see the story unfold as the main character does.
Doesn't really have to be camera POV like 'Smack My Bitch Up' though.
Just so its like we are only seeing what the main character sees
Then what does "fully subjective," as the name of this thread is called, mean? I would assume that would mean seeing exactly what the main character sees, hence my post.
Hey Mac, you were right dude!
I just meant that there is fully subjective movies that ain't just POV. Best example: PI but that does have HEAPS of POV shots
You gave the best example there was though! I want to see that movie now
Quote from: bonanzatazThere's the Prodigy video Smack My Bitch Up.
Yeah, thats a wicked video. Too bad it doesn't get shown on TV. I had to dload it from Kazaa.
they showed it on mtv when i was in the UK.
mike white says that his original scrit for chuck and buck was totally subjective, every scene had buck in it. he was forced to write extra scenes for chuck. imo the movie wouldve been a lot better mikes way. movies always throw me off when all the scenes involve one character, and then BANG its something and someone else. it disrupts the flow. i really like the idea of totally subjective movies, its too bad there arent more of them.
The Game is a great example of subjective film making because we see everything through Michael Douglas' character.
Fincher seems obsessed with subjective film making.
The Game is not a subjective film really. When you talk about subjectivity in film you really are talking about the visuals, yes? Natural Born Killers is totally subjective. The camera is as hyper-active and drugged up as the characters are.
Well, I suppose it does indeed have to do with what one considers subjective. I think The Game is subjective because we see the narrative only as the main character would see it, i.e. there are no scenes where we see the bad guys plotting against him or what not.
And I think Natural Born Killers could be seen as a subjective, but I view it as an objective film about a world that does quite exist (yet).
This thread still hasn't decided what the fuck it means by "subjective," including Dionysus. Annoying.
Nearly every film mentioned in this thread contains at least one shot that could not possibly have been from the main character's "perspective."
"Everything being in relation to the main character" : way too unspecific to be any kind of useful definition.
Quote from: MacGuffinDoesn't get anymore subjective than this:
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You are the camera. Robert Montgomery is really just the voice and hands, and is only seen when looking into mirrors. But all the characters talk directly to you/camera as you/he play Philip Marlowe and try to solve the mystery.
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Also, the first 10 minutes of "Strange Days".
what about the first 10 mintues of micheal powell's peeping tom -- strange days "borrowed" many things from peeping tom -- including the first 10 minutes.