Has anyone given any of the new HDV cameras a go yet? Im contemplating shooting a short this summer with one of the new Sony cameras and although Ive done hours of research I still have my doubts. Will my pc be able to handle it? If I rent the camera where do I stand on exporting back to tape at the end of the edit?
If anyones been able to use this format yet I'd be grateful to hear your experiences.
I haven't used it yet, but word on the street is...don't buy the Sony camera. It sounds like you're not planning on buying it, so that's cool, but if you are, keep in mind that it'll be surpassed by the end of the year by far superior, equally affordable models from JVC and Panasonic (and, it's rumored, the XL-3 may take the cake over all of them). I think the biggest problem with the Sony model is that has that in-camera MPG compression. I think the JVC model is only going to have 720 lines of resolution (versus the Sony's 1080), but the lack of compression makes up for it. And then I hear that the Panasonic will have the full 1080 and no MPG compression at all - how they're doing that, I'm not sure, but it sounds great.
As far as editing goes, I only know about Mac solutions, so if you're on a PC, I can't help....
This is where I go to get all my info, btw: http://hdforindies.com
Don't edit on a pc. If thats all you got try to find a friend that has a mac.
Macs are far superior to pc when it comes to editing.
i've used it - thre are a lot of problems with it - im not too impressed.
and video looks like shit - so thats that
Why were you using it if "video looks like shit"?
Video can look great if you're using it for the right reason and the right way.
However, I agree with GB.... I saw this at an expo and wasn't very impressed and from what I've read, it's going to be majorly surpassed soon.
Thanks for the replies, everyone.
Firstly, I'll steer clear of the Mac vs Pc debate. But I will say that Ive been editing with Avid on a pc for years without any problems.
Thanks for the link Ghostboy. The interframe compression is starting to look less and less apealing, and in a way - unnatural. What then would you suggest for someone who'd like to try something with better image quality than miniDV? DVCAM on a PD170? Or another route: An XL1 with Mini35 lens mount (although that comes to £160 a day)?
The XL2 seems to have been a complete waste of time.
Quote from: ®edlumWhat then would you suggest for someone who'd like to try something with better image quality than miniDV?
Panasonic DVX-100A is all the rage these days, with good reason.
I don't know, Ive used one before and don't think its substantially better. Certainly not enough to warrant a rental over the use of a CanonGL2 that I own.
I'm not sure I'm all that crazy about HDV. I used the JVC and had some inconsistancy problems. Color inconsistency was a big issue. Two takes of the same set up often had slightly different tones when edited together. We got a really great film look when we shot in a bar that had lots of low key lighting and some neon colors...but in sunlight or with hot lights...it just didn't hold up. I think the color band was too wide for it to handle? Also, it has shutter speed and fstop controls that were basically useless. You could set one, but the other was set accordingly automatically..making it basically an auto-exposure. Lots of ghosting at lower shutter speeds too. I would need a lot more experimenting time with it to gain absolute control of it's limited capabilities.
But on a larger theme, the reason film looks better (to me that is) is because of the way the light bleeds together to form smoothe color gradients. Yes, you need better resolution (that of HD some say) to form those gradients without being noticable to the eye...but I don't see that astetic yet. I don't think they are focused on the color band, just the sharpness.
For future reference I read that the shutter and iris controls issue was some sort of bug where in order to gain total control each function had to be set to manual rather than just being in manual mode.
Quote from: ®edlumI don't know, Ive used one before and don't think its substantially better. Certainly not enough to warrant a rental over the use of a CanonGL2 that I own.
Oh yeah, if you already own a GL2, no point, really, unless you really want 24p. I still use my XL-1 on a nearly daily basis, myself.
Quote from: GhostboyIt sounds like you're not planning on buying it, so that's cool, but if you are, keep in mind that it'll be surpassed by the end of the year by far superior, equally affordable models from JVC and Panasonic (and, it's rumored, the XL-3 may take the cake over all of them).
Is the XL-3 supposed to come out at the end of the year too?
It's a rumor. Canon reps made vague hints at NAB this year, and the fact that a.) the XL-2 was only a small step up from the XL-1 and b.) they have yet to make an appearance in the HDV race, has created the opinion that they're watching the market and technology, waiting for everyone else to announce their cameras (which they now have) before (hopefully) smearing them all with their own version of the same thing.
Both the Panasonic and JVC cameras will have interchangeable lenses, though, so Canon's going to have to take a big step up in other areas, since that's always been their big pull in the past.
in response to editing, if the film is good no one will care what its edited on, theyll be asking how you got such a good performance out of your lead, secondly my friend has the new sony hdv cam...and although its pretty impressive looking I must say it seems like a waste at this point. Hd hasnt really been standardized yet and he said that he couldnt even import it into fcpHD....but fcp5 should take care of that. But I'd go with the dvx100a if I were you....or wait till the hvx200 comes out.
http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/
http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/sample/countdown.wmv
Quote from: GhostboyIt's a rumor. Canon reps made vague hints at NAB this year, and the fact that a.) the XL-2 was only a small step up from the XL-1 and b.) they have yet to make an appearance in the HDV race, has created the opinion that they're watching the market and technology, waiting for everyone else to announce their cameras (which they now have) before (hopefully) smearing them all with their own version of the same thing.
Both the Panasonic and JVC cameras will have interchangeable lenses, though, so Canon's going to have to take a big step up in other areas, since that's always been their big pull in the past.
So, say, one's XL-1 camera was stolen. With the insurance money, should one wait until the XL-3 comes out?
I think it would be wise to at least wait until the end of the year before getting another camera. Even if the XL-3 isn't out yet, there'll be clearer signs of where HDV is going. It's in it's infancy now, but in all likelihood it'll become standardized and take over normal miniDV the same way miniDV took over Hi-8.
Quote from: RegularKarateWhy were you using it if "video looks like shit"?
I was using it because my roommate owns one. Usually new technology improves upon older technology. So I thought "maybe this won't look like shit - or at least won't look AS shitty." So, I picked it up and used it for a few mintues, and my opinion stands.
Ha!
I picked up a scalpel the other day for a few minutes, but once I tried to perform open-heart surgery with it, I lost the patient... I have come to the decision that scalpels are shit.
Quote from: RegularKarateHa!
I picked up a scalpel the other day for a few minutes, but once I tried to perform open-heart surgery with it, I lost the patient... I have come to the decision that scalpels are shit.
:lol:
Quote from: RegularKarateHa!
I picked up a scalpel the other day for a few minutes, but once I tried to perform open-heart surgery with it, I lost the patient... I have come to the decision that scalpels are shit.
Let me explain further good sir. I knew the pd-150 very well - have shot with it many times and found it an unsatisfactory format - So, with Sony's HDV I was able to quickly evaluate what had changed from the PD-150 - for better or worse. My opinion stayed the same - I don't think it's a good format.
So to answer your condecending post. No, I didn't just pick it up and hit some buttons and make an uneducated decision that it was shit.
Video isn't for everyone... though it seems to be good enough for Lynch.
Quote from: ®edlumHas anyone given any of the new HDV cameras a go yet? Im contemplating shooting a short this summer with one of the new Sony cameras and although Ive done hours of research I still have my doubts. Will my pc be able to handle it? If I rent the camera where do I stand on exporting back to tape at the end of the edit?
If anyones been able to use this format yet I'd be grateful to hear your experiences.
you could burn it to DVD from your PC and then take it to a transfer/ duplication company.
i've used the new prosumer sony cameras... they're what the TV station had when we were producing the Dope Banana Show.
Anyone used the XL-H1 yet?
Quote from: md on May 11, 2005, 09:09:49 AM
in response to editing, if the film is good no one will care what its edited on, theyll be asking how you got such a good performance out of your lead, secondly my friend has the new sony hdv cam...and although its pretty impressive looking I must say it seems like a waste at this point. Hd hasnt really been standardized yet and he said that he couldnt even import it into fcpHD....but fcp5 should take care of that. But I'd go with the dvx100a if I were you....or wait till the hvx200 comes out.
http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/
http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/sample/countdown.wmv
I know this thread is pretty much done with, but I need info, dammit! You say your friend couldn't import into FCP HD? Care to elaborate? I ask cause I shot a project in October and, stupid me, it didn't occur to me till after the shoot that I would need either the HDV camera or deck to capture the footage. heh heh. So I'm waiting on the camera to capture everything. You're vague reference to problems with FCP HD frighten and anger me. Please tell me more.
hdv in my opinion, is just cheap hd. It meets the standard for "hd", although there are alot of technical bs problems with the sony hdrfx1 that video nerds alike will bitch about. In the end it really just comes down to whether you got it or ya dont...and i'm not talking about the camera. Granted this post is soley on hdv so to answer your question, fcp 5, the newest updated version should be ok to import hdv. My friend was using 4.5, which didn't have the update that apple included to allow for use with hdv. Hope that helps. md