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Title: The Grudge
Post by: MacGuffin on October 07, 2004, 06:14:14 PM
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Trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/the_grudge/)

Release Date: October 22, 2004

Starring: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jason Behr, Clea DuVall, Bill Pullman, Kadee Strickland
 
Directed by: Takashi Shimizu  

Premise: The Grudge is the curse of one who dies in the grip of a powerful rage. Those who encounter this murderous supernatural curse die and a new one is born, passed from victim to victim in an endless, growing chain of horror.
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Post by: hedwig on October 07, 2004, 06:59:59 PM
Eyeball posters are always welcome.
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Post by: modage on October 07, 2004, 11:15:03 PM
"i hope this is as good as the ring" < - what myself and the rest of american moviegoing public are saying right now...  its true, i do hope its as good, but if i were a betting man i'd say my money is still on SAW right now...  i will be seeing this opening weekend though.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 07, 2004, 11:19:55 PM
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:shock: ...whoa!!!! oh sh*t man, sarah looks sooooo convincing

i wish tool would film a video for the grudge or a short film ..i know it would be better than this.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 07, 2004, 11:22:15 PM
It won't be as scary as The Ring, if the original film is any indication...but if you like that type of Japanese horror, you should at  least enjoy it. The original is highly fragmented and episodic, and doesn't really have much of a narrative, which I can't imagine they'd do here, since it would leave SMG with very little screen time. Still, the trailer looks almost like a shot by shot remake. I'm glad they kept the setting the same.
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Post by: matt35mm on October 08, 2004, 12:43:49 AM
Yeah, it doesn't seem like the director tried to do anything different with it this time around; he's just repeating himself, going through the motions again.
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Post by: Stefen on October 08, 2004, 01:06:55 AM
Whoa, Sarah, wear your grudge like a crown why don't you.
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 08, 2004, 12:36:13 PM
Exactly what GB said... every shot in the trailer is pulled directly from the original, but the SMG character has about 20 minutes of screentime in the OG... I'm guessing that they're just trying to sell it as an SMG vehicle, even though it's not... that way everyone will be disapointed.

I really don't know though... Americans demand more plot and background from thier horror films... I don't see a studio releasing a movie as loose and unstrung as the original.

No, it won't/can't be as good as the ring.

And I've been reading bad things about SAW, but that's another thread.
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Post by: meatball on October 08, 2004, 03:55:13 PM
I don't know... but the Ring wasn't scary at all for me. The scariest moment was when the horse went bonkers, and only because I feared it would trample Naomi Watts.
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Post by: pete on October 08, 2004, 06:29:55 PM
whoa.  if only they studded Lost in Translation with ominous black clouds of rage.
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2004, 03:02:10 PM
Raimi's 'Spider-Man' Thrills Turn to 'Grudge' Chills

Since 2002, film director Sam Raimi has thrilled audiences with his action adventure "Spider-Man" movies, but now he wants to chill them.

This Friday he sets off in a more frightening direction with horror film "The Grudge" based on a successful Japanese film series by Japanese director Takashi Shimizu.

The movie stars Sarah Michelle Gellar , the former "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer," as an American student in Japan who takes a deadly job in a haunted house.

It was produced by Raimi as the first release from Ghost House Pictures, which he formed with long-time partner Rob Tapert to bring horror films to U.S. audiences.

Although best known for directing the two "Spider-Man" movies that combined for nearly $1.6 billion in global ticket sales, Raimi's early career centered on horror movies with titles like "The Evil Dead"

Raimi said he gets a "childish pleasure" from scary movies, from watching audiences squirm in their seats just ahead of an upcoming fright, then giggle after it is delivered.

As a filmmaker, Raimi said horror flicks allow directors to explore the art and craft of movies because they must create a supernatural world that does not exist. Challenges come from lighting and from staging the frights in new ways audiences have yet to experience.

A JAPANESE FILM

Instead of directing "The Grudge," Raimi chose to bring in Shimizu the creator of the original Japanese films, because Raimi did not want to Americanize the movie.

"I wanted to make the Japanese version, only in English," he said. "I think Japanese films don't seem to have as many rules as American films. They don't provide as much structure and don't always have answers for everything."

Gellar portrays a college-age woman named Karen who earns extra money as a substitute nurse caring for disabled people in their homes, but when she is summoned to a new assignment she finds more than just a patient. She finds death.

Years ago in this house, two murders were committed and the victims' ghosts still haunt the residence. But these specters are not simply content to scare those who dare enter the domicile. They want revenge; they hold a grudge.

As the Japanese police investigate the latest murders in the house, the ghosts begin stalking Karen.

Raimi said that what chilled his bones the most about Shimizu's original was the way in which the Japanese director allowed the horror to develop onscreen.

Most American directors might show a dark closet and from inside that closet, a hand may thrust forward, grabbing a victim, but in "The Grudge," Shimizu shows the closet and slowly brings the hand into focus much like a person's eyes adjusting to the darkness.

"That just gives me the willies," Raimi said.

While he stayed with Shimizu as the director, Raimi did bring in American Stephen Susco to write the screenplay so the dialogue would be right for U.S. audiences.

Raimi said he finds producing movies easier than directing, but he will return with "Spider-Man 3" in 2006. The script is still being developed. In the meantime, his fans will have to be content with more chills than thrills as Ghost House Productions plans another horror film, "Boogeyman" for 2005.
Title: The Grudge
Post by: Myxo on October 20, 2004, 05:48:12 PM
The trailer for this thing is fucking freaky as hell. Also, if anyone gets a chance, go here (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/thegrudge/), enter the site and have some fun. It scared the shit out of me in the dark. Great promotional tool!

:-D
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Post by: Sleuth on October 20, 2004, 07:23:15 PM
I don't know how, but I went from REALLY WANTING TO SEE THIS to not giving a flying fuck.  It was probably the newer commericals/trailer
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Post by: pete on October 21, 2004, 01:34:11 AM
Quote from: MyxomatosisIt scared the shit out of me in the dark. Great promotional tool!

:-D

then flip on the lights, asshole.
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Post by: modage on October 21, 2004, 02:42:48 PM
Michelle Gellar and Behr on The Grudge
Source: Andrew Weil October 20, 2004

This Friday, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Jason Behr star in the Sam Raimi-produced The Grudge, an English-language remake of the Japanese horror thriller Ju-On. The film is about a murderous supernatural curse born of a grudge held by someone who dies angry. The curse passes like a virus to its victims. ComingSoon.net got a chance to sit down and talk to Michelle Gellar and Behr about the anticipated movie:

Sarah Michelle Gellar on taking another role in a horror movie:
If it was horror, in my opinion, in the American sense, yes, I would have been. But I think that Japanese movies are much more thriller-oriented. And, you know, people ask me that question a lot. I definitely did think about it beforehand, but women still have a long way to go in this industry in terms of roles where we can really sort of lead the film and drive it. I was thinking, look at past Oscar winners. Right after Halle Berry won, she did Gothika, and Charlize Theron is doing Aeon Flux, and why is that? Because that is the big roles where women can really drive them and be successful in them.

Sarah Michelle Gellar on shooting in Japan:
It's very hard to be lonely in Japan. Clearly you miss your family, your dog, your home, but Japanese people are incredibly welcoming. The best advice I got before I left was someone said the best thing you can do is just learn the basics of the language. And a lot of times when you go across, especially when it comes to Europe, I'm so embarrassed because it's like I bastardize the language and I feel like everyone's laughing at me, but in Japan they're so honored you're taking the time to learn even the smallest bit of the language, they open up their homes to you and they're so gracious. They invite you to dinner, and on top of that I had this great cast that was so interested in everything Japanese and Japanese culture and Japanese society.

Sarah Michelle Gellar on the Japanese version of The Grudge (Ju-on):
I've always been a fan of Asian cinema. I think that it's really daring. I love the idea of nonlinear filmmaking. I love the idea that it's not a beginning, middle and end and it's not a neat package. And I thought the shots were so interesting. I think that sometimes in American films, we get bogged down by trying to make our days and huge crews. In Japan, we would have had triple the amount of crew members in America making this film. And I just love the idea of being part of it. I love the idea of being part of the first Japanese film ever made for American audiences.

Jason Behr on being cast in The Grudge:
I read the script in December of last year and thought it was just one of the most unique horror-genre thriller type movies. It's hard to say it's like a generalized horror because the Japanese horror I think is very different than American horror. It was just a very well written script and the characters were interesting. I liked the idea of it being non-linear because it sort of kept people on their toes of trying to follow the story, trying to connect the dots, put the puzzle together and the house being the central piece...So they sent me a copy and I watched it in my living room with all my friends and some family members and they were scared sh*tless and I though well that's a good sign.

Jason Behr on being a horror fan:
There's a couple of movies that scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. The first one was "American Werewolf in London." I don't know if you guys have heard the story before. But it was this thing where you wanted so badly to be cool. I was in the third grade I wanted to watch this movie with my older brother and all his friends there was a couple of girls that I wanted to talk to. I asked my Mom if I could and she said 'yeah, sure'. I said of course come on I'm in the third grade. I went down there in the basement and much to my brothers chagrin - he was not happy with me. Halfway through the movie I just started screaming at the top of my lungs.
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Post by: Myxo on October 22, 2004, 04:59:43 AM
Reading Sarah Michelle Gellar talk about filmmaking is like being stabbed in the eye with an ice pick.
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Post by: pete on October 22, 2004, 05:29:37 AM
SPOILER WARNING

now I can't wait 'til her character dies.
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Post by: Pubrick on October 22, 2004, 06:08:44 AM
spoilero

they gave that away on letterman. on which she was perky.
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 22, 2004, 01:39:38 PM
Total effing spoiler

There can't really be spoilers for this movie (assuming it's pretty much a shot by shot remake, as everything I've seen for it makes it appear to be).
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Post by: modage on October 22, 2004, 02:28:07 PM
there can be spoilers if you havent seen the original movie, and i wish i had not read this page.
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 22, 2004, 07:01:32 PM
No... I'm saying there really isn't much to spoil about this movie.
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Post by: pete on October 22, 2004, 08:42:01 PM
then lets spoil some other movies

rosebud is the sled.
darth is luke's dad
planey ape is new york

I think I've done this before in some other thead already
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Post by: Finn on October 23, 2004, 03:43:07 PM
I can safely say this is one of the worst movies all year.
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Post by: modage on October 24, 2004, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: Small Town LonerI can safely say this is one of the worst movies all year.
no, i doubt it.  it did manage to have some geniune scares, (which i'll admit is very hard to do), but it still wasnt very good.  something about the story just didnt do it for me.  it was too obvious, or there wasnt enough of it, or the mystery didnt start early enough or something?  but there just wasnt much to grab onto, it was just moving you from JUMP! moment to JUMP! moment throughout most of the film.  unlike, say the Ring which is building suspense the whole film and a creepy tone while you're finding things out that are keeping you interested.  but if this is practically a shot for shot remake of the original i cant imagine it'd be much better, or is it?  i'll see it in a week or two anyways for myself.
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Post by: edison on October 24, 2004, 11:41:00 PM
40 Mill!!!???!!?!?!
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 25, 2004, 03:31:43 AM
Regarding the shot for shot thing...I haven't seen the remake yet, but from reviews I've read I know that:

a.) the character Bill Pullman plays is not part of the original and
b.) one of the subplots I really liked in the original, involving a schoolgirl whose relationship to the story isn't entirely obvious at first, is not in the remake.

And yeah, 40 mil? That's a surprise.
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Post by: northwood on October 26, 2004, 07:15:20 PM
Quote from: themodernage02there can be spoilers if you havent seen the original movie, and i wish i had not read this page.
what was the name of the original?
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 26, 2004, 07:20:09 PM
Quote from: northwoodwhat was the name of the original?

Ju-On:
http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=442
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Post by: Finn on October 26, 2004, 09:34:25 PM
But the question is...will it make more money? (rubs his beard)
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Post by: Dtm115300 on October 31, 2004, 11:30:05 PM
I just came back from seeing this film. Not good. I was really dissapointed.    I think the only scene i even partly enjoyed was

spoiler................................................................................................









The scene where the girl runs in to her apartment. She jumps into her bed, and the ghost is under the covers.

...........................................................................................................


And i onlt enjoyed the scene because, the scene before that only made me and the rest of the people watching the film laugh my ass off.
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Post by: Alethia on November 01, 2004, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: Dtm115300And i onlt enjoyed the scene because, the scene before that only made me and the rest of the people watching the film laugh my ass off.

the rest of the people laughed your ass off too?
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Post by: Dtm115300 on November 01, 2004, 11:36:04 AM
sorry dude, i was not all there last night.

              *(the only reason i enjoyed the scene was because it made me and everyone else watching the movie laugh)*
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 05, 2004, 12:38:47 AM
Senator has 2nd 'Grudge' to work out
Source: Hollywood Reporter

"The Grudge," which opened two weeks ago to a stellar $39 million and has grossed about $75 million domestically, is getting the sequel treatment. Senator International and Ghost House Pictures have tapped "Grudge" scribe Stephen Susco to pen "The Grudge 2." Producers on board for the sequel include Ghost House Pictures' Sam Raimi and Rob Tappert, Roy Lee and Doug Davidson, all of whom worked on the original English-language picture, a remake of 2003's "Ju-on: The Grudge." Details were not available on whether star Sarah Michelle Gellar or director Takashi Shimizu will be part of the sequel. The Japanese original already has spawned a Japanese-language sequel, "Ju-on: The Grudge 2
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Post by: ©brad on November 05, 2004, 12:48:16 AM
you know what pisses me off?

nevermind. i'm going to bed.
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Post by: cine on November 05, 2004, 12:49:06 AM
Yeah, don't worry I'll finish that rant off for you!


ah, fuck it, I'm going to bed too.
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Post by: Sleuth on November 05, 2004, 12:50:35 AM
CINEPHILE TOLD ME ON AIM TO RESPOND HERE BUT I'M GOING TO BED  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:
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Post by: cine on November 05, 2004, 12:51:54 AM
He's winking four times because that's how many times we're going to do it.
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 05, 2004, 12:53:53 AM
Quote from: ©bradyou know what pisses me off?

Too many guys and not enough bed?
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Post by: ©brad on November 05, 2004, 12:54:36 AM
don't get me started.

and there's never not enough bed.
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Post by: cine on November 05, 2004, 12:54:46 AM
Mac, there's never enough guys. Don't you forget it.
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Post by: ©brad on November 05, 2004, 12:55:51 AM
alright im really going to bed now.
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Post by: Sleuth on November 05, 2004, 12:55:56 AM
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT BY "NOW IT'S ON" LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ON MY DICK GONNA GET IT ON WITH CINEPHILE FOUR TIMES.  ONCE PER WINK.  WE'RE GOING TO FUCK

I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU CINEPHILE.  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VIOLENTLY gay sex

BITCH

DON'T YOU KNOW MY COUNTRY WILL HOLD A GRUUUUUUUUDGE?
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Post by: cine on November 05, 2004, 12:58:12 AM
In the Great White North, a "grudge" is actually a phallus.
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Post by: Sleuth on November 05, 2004, 01:02:51 AM
In the Great White South we hold several!
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Post by: cine on November 05, 2004, 01:03:27 AM
The Great White South is my hero.
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Post by: MacGuffin on November 21, 2004, 11:03:55 PM
'Grudge' to Be a Fright on DVD

Recent box office champ "The Grudge," a haunted-house horror starring Sarah Michelle Gellar , is slated to be released Feb. 1 on DVD and will include a featurette that asks why people seek out fear at the movies.

Michael Gillis, who produced the 12-minute "Under the Skin" short for Sony, said he sought the answer from author and New York University professor Joseph LeDoux, who has spent more than 30 years researching fear.

After interviewing LeDoux and vast numbers of moviegoers, Gillis came to one conclusion. "What it all really boils down to is that we go to the movie theater to be afraid because it is only there in the dark where we can face our worst fears, seemingly alone, yet knowing that we're really safe all together in the same place," Gillis said.

The Sony Pictures horror film, directed by Takashi Shimizu, has generated about $104 million at the North American box office, having cost less than $10 million to make. It is based on a Japanese film series, also directed by Shimuzu.

"The Grudge" DVD also includes a 55-minute five-part making-of documentary which includes 5-10 segments titled: "The Birth of The Grudge," "Myth of Ju-on," "Culture Shock: The American Cast in Japan," "Designing The Grudge House" and "A New Direction and Understanding Takashi Shimizu."

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Post by: Sleuth on February 07, 2005, 12:01:18 AM
I thought it was a lot of fun!

SPOILERS

the thing in the bedsheets would've KILLED me a few years back.  Great idea.    Also I really liked the videotape and the relentlessness of It at the end.