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Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: MacGuffin on August 29, 2004, 06:53:34 PM
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Release Date: December 3rd, 2004 (limited release); expands wide at a later date.

Cast: Gerard Butler (Erik the Phantom), Emmy Rossum (Christine), Alan Cumming, Minnie Driver (Carlotta), Patrick Wilson (Raoul, Vicomte de Chagny).

Director: Joel Schumacher (Tigerland, A Time to Kill, Batman & Robin, Phone Booth, Veronica Guerin)

Screenwriter: Joel Schumacher (Flawless, The Wiz, D.C. Cab, Car Wash, Sparkle) and Andrew Lloyd Webber

Based Upon: The Broadway play written by Andrew Lloyd Webber (with lyrics by Charles Hart and Richard Stilgoe), which has grossed over $3 billion since its debut in 1987, and which was originally based upon the novel by Gaston Leroux.

Premise: This romantic musical epic is about a mysterious masked figure, Erik (Butler), who roams the undergrounds of 19th century Paris, centering his activity around (or under) the Opera Populaire, where he tutors a beautiful young soprano, Christine (Rossum), who goes on to upstage the city's most famous opera singer, Carlotta (Driver). The Phantom thinks he's found love, until Christine's childhood boyfriend, Vicomte de Chagny (Wilson) shows up... (Cumming plays an opera house owner.)

Trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thephantomoftheopera/)
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: bonanzataz on August 29, 2004, 06:59:19 PM
minnie driver is in this. that's funny.

i had a chorus teacher in elementary school who used to love this show. he was a big fat guy who made us listen to the soundtrack and read through the show. he used to get real pissy at us when we were loud. that's the word for it is pissy... yeah...
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Find Your Magali on August 31, 2004, 01:01:51 AM
I just saw the U.S. Tour version of this in Baltimore. Much smaller scale than Broadway, but still a wonderful, powerful musical. ... I'm very much looking forward to the movie. It should have been a no-brainer to do this on film years ago....
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Thrindle on August 31, 2004, 01:18:55 AM
I don't know how "no brainer" this one actually is... I recall it being done before with the chick from Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman (know the face, name escapes me).  It was done all 80's rockish and was awful.

This piece has been raped so many times.  I just hope that the spirit of the Phantom (which is amazing to see as live theatre) is not butchered.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2004, 02:07:06 AM
I was excited until I read "A Film By Joel Schumacher."
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: bonanzataz on August 31, 2004, 02:22:05 PM
falling down was pretty awesome. and i like the client and a time to kill also. but i don't like musical theatre. i think i'm going to skip this one.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 31, 2004, 04:16:54 PM
For some reason, I think Milos Forman would be a better choice.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Ghostboy on August 31, 2004, 04:45:40 PM
Or heck, get Alan Parker back.

And it's not that Joel Schumacher can't make a good movie, because he's done so in the past and I'm sure there's a definite possibility that this will be a quality film -- it's just that, moreso than almost any other current director, he's tainted his name so terribly. The Phantom Of The Opera trailer would be far better served without his name credit.

I've never seen the show, but I used to listen to the CD all the time. It'd be cooler if The Phantom had more Lon Cheney-esque makeup, but oh well. Emma Rossum is adorable.

I want to see Les Mis adapted. Actually, I'd like to adapt it myself because I'm particularly fond of that musical, but I'd want to do it in French so no one would notice how bad the lyrics are.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Pedro on August 31, 2004, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: GhostboyI want to see Les Mis adapted. Actually, I'd like to adapt it myself because I'm particularly fond of that musical, but I'd want to do it in French so no one would notice how bad the lyrics are.
"one little scream and you'll regret it for a year"

some lyrics are pretty bad, but it's a lot better overall than phantom.  do you have any specific plans for how you'd shoot any of your adaptation?
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Chest Rockwell on August 31, 2004, 06:01:01 PM
I don't understand why Phantom of the Opera is synonymous more with the musical than the book nowadays. Never saw the show, but I LOVED the book. I'll see this. And hey, Joel Schumacher can sometimes create some nice artistic effects that I'm assuming would work for a musical, i.e. Batman Forver.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: MacGuffin on August 31, 2004, 06:39:52 PM
Quote from: Chest RockwellI don't understand why Phantom of the Opera is synonymous more with the musical than the book nowadays.

Quote from: MacGuffinThe Broadway play written by Andrew Lloyd Webber (with lyrics by Charles Hart and Richard Stilgoe), which has grossed over $3 billion since its debut in 1987
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: diggler on August 31, 2004, 09:09:31 PM
Macguffin, love your profile photo. i just saw corridors of evil for the first time yesterday.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Pubrick on September 01, 2004, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: ddiggler6280Macguffin, love your profile photo. i just saw corridors of evil for the first time yesterday.
i call it carnival of souls.

Quote from: GhostboyI want to see Les Mis adapted.
u mean for the 20th time (http://us.imdb.com/find?tt=on;nm=on;mx=20;q=les%20miserable) time?
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Ghostboy on September 01, 2004, 09:26:40 AM
What I meant was, I want to see the Broadway musical Les Miserables adapted.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Chest Rockwell on September 01, 2004, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: Chest RockwellI don't understand why Phantom of the Opera is synonymous more with the musical than the book nowadays.

Quote from: MacGuffinThe Broadway play written by Andrew Lloyd Webber (with lyrics by Charles Hart and Richard Stilgoe), which has grossed over $3 billion since its debut in 1987
I saw that. What I'm saying is that I don't see how that many people could have seen it, and yet probably 70% of them never read the book. No one seems to have read the book. Moreover, it was a rhetorical question.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Ghostboy on December 20, 2004, 11:12:42 PM
I just saw this, and as a film, it's pretty bad. I think fans of the show may love it (I don't know for sure, as I've never seen it staged), just because they'll appreciate seeing it adapted to the big screen, but the whole thing is terribly uncinematic and makes you long for Baz Luhrman's touch. Schumacher seems to shoot almost the entire film from static medium shots -- his approach is incredibly boring, and thus so is the film. The melodies are as beautiful as always, and the cast sings the awkward lyrics quite well. And I couldn't get enough of Emmy Rossum...she's the only reason I'd really recommend seeing this movie. Completely transfixing, and luckily she's in just about every shot.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 21, 2004, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ghostboythe whole thing is terribly uncinematic and makes you long for Baz Luhrman's touch.

Sounds like Chicago.  Thanks for the warning.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Alethia on December 22, 2004, 11:17:20 PM
it was nothing like chicago.

i agree with GB, this was quite a bore to sit through.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Myxo on December 23, 2004, 05:28:47 AM
Dallas Observer / Bill Gallo:

Runs two hours and 20 minutes and plays like 10 days in the county jail.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 23, 2004, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: ewardit was nothing like chicago.

i agree with GB, this was quite a bore to sit through.

So it is like Chicago.

I didn't like Chicago.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Movieman21 on December 23, 2004, 10:40:08 PM
I dont know why you guys are giving it such a harsh comeoff.   I saw it today, and I thought that it was actually well done.  I think that it did have its flaws, but so does every film.  The costumes were great, the choreography was awesome, the sets were very detailed and the visuals were decent.  I think that the cinematography was pretty good, and moved you well through the scenes.

The parts that I thought werent so good cinematically, had mostly to do with how i felt they didnt translate well from the play.  But that is becuase I liked the play so much, and if something was changed, but just a little, I picked up on it.  The main thing that could hurt it as a film, is the lack of character developement, but that is not the fault of Joel Schumacker, that is the fault of the story itself.  Though they did a great job of TRYING to fill in the gaps, such as with the Phantom as a child, and the same with Christine.

As a whole, if you are a fan of the play even in the slightest, then I think that you are really going to enjoy this movie.  I give it a  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Gold Trumpet on January 28, 2005, 01:26:18 AM
Yes, there is a reason to see this film and it is because of Emmy Rossum. Never once did I doubt the faithfulness of the film to the play. Thats not saying much though. Just in the first half hour I had 2 pages worth of critiques piled up in my head of what was wrong with the film and then I just dumped it all. I knew they were all worthless because it would go against the very identity of the musical. I wanted the film to be centered better, but it went everywhere - story and filmmaking wise. I wanted the tempo to be calmer, but it was a cast of seemingly a 100 and the film wanted to give everyone their chance to smile once at the camera. That took time to do. Everything I described is what musicals just are. They have life people adore and unofficial rules people follow religiously. I'm really indifferent to it and just have the surface enjoyment of good dancing and nice singing.

But, back to Emmy Rossum. She's pure gold. Every smile seems better than the next. She was born to be on camera and there even was a moment at the end when some good acting chops came out. I forget the scene specifically (and yea, i just saw it a few hours ago), but something happened really bad and she gave a look of complete shock that stunned me. The camera held on her face for half a second at best, but I couldn't believe how really devastated her face looked just like that. It reminded me of Emma Thompson's uncanny ability to do a 180 with her emotions in the middle of a scene only to get right back out of it and never for a moment feel fake. Emmy Rossum is no Emma Thompson (for my money, no one's in the same room as her anyways) but she really had an Emma Thompson moment just then that moved me.

Also, it was obvious The Phantom was played by someone too young to fit the character description. He was so young in fact that all through the film his face was likely unshaven for the maximum number of 3 days. It was desperate, but also the protaganist leading man was desperately pretty while being obviously dull. But, Emmy Rossum, folks, Emmy Rossum.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: SHAFTR on January 28, 2005, 04:28:42 AM
Quote from: Ghostboythe whole thing is terribly uncinematic and makes you long for Baz Luhrman's touch.

Nothing needs his touch.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Pedro on January 28, 2005, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: Ghostboythe whole thing is terribly uncinematic and makes you long for Baz Luhrman's touch.

Nothing needs his touch.
the touch of death
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: Find Your Magali on January 31, 2005, 09:38:12 PM
I liked it, but it only makes me appreciate even more how great the stage musical is. This movie can't touch the energy and continual forward momentum of the stage play.

But the movie does hit home runs in the area where it has an advantage over a stage play. The art direction is superb; you can truly feel the architecture and character of the opera house. It feels like a real place, stuffed full of props and costumes and memories and dark secrets.

The cinematography was great, although I do agree, in retrospect, with the complaint that there were a few too many medium shots.

Here's my biggest beef with the movie: Gerard Butler is too young for the role and, more importantly, couldn't sing the role. He was thoroughly mediocre as a performer, and that's supposed to be the central performance. Instead, Raoul outshine the Phantom, which hurts the film on numerous levels. Even though the Christine is in more scenes in the play, it's the Phantom's show. And the movie should be the Phantom's show, but Butler just didn't have the mileage or the vocal chords to pull it off. Which is a shame. With Rossum's performance and the lovely art direction, a powerful performance by the Phantom would have made this a real keeper for fans of the stage play. Of course, it's a thankless job trying to live up to Michael Crawford, but they should have cast the central role for VOICE first; hell, the guy's gonna be under a mask for 95 percent of the movie, he doesn't have to be a hunk.

Oh well. Good film, but an opportunity wasted.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: MacGuffin on February 14, 2005, 04:52:29 PM
Warner has officially announced the release of its recent musical remake of Phantom of the Opera for 5/3 (SRP $29.95). The 2-disc Special Widescreen Edition will include anamorphic widescreen video, Dolby Digital 5.1 audio, 2 documentaries on the story and the musical's legacy, and 3 "making of" featurettes. A single disc edition will also be available (for $27.95) in both full frame and anamorphic widescreen versions.

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Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: ©brad on February 14, 2005, 07:17:44 PM
i'm so glad i'm never going to see this movie.
Title: Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera
Post by: cron on February 14, 2005, 09:08:26 PM
i hated the fact that two springbreakers played the male parts, and also that britney spears lookalike.  it was funny to see how the accents changed from time to time. at the begining of the movie the owners had a  french accent, then a british accent, and then an american accent.

Quotehis approach is incredibly boring

yeps.


and that Milos Forman idea makes perfect sense.