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Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: El Duderino on August 15, 2004, 05:55:59 PM
Release Date
Limited Release September 24th

Director
Walter Salles

Screenwriter
Jose Rivera

Cast
Gael García Bernal
Mia Maestro
Jaime Azocar
Rodrigo De la Serna

Synopsis
In 1952, two young Argentines, Ernesto Guevara and Alberto Granado, set out on a road trip to discover the real Latin America. Ernesto is a 23-year-old medical student specializing in leprology, and Alberto, 29, is a biochemist. The film follows the young men as they unveil the rich and complex human and social topography of the Latin American continent.

With a highly romantic sense of adventure, the two friends leave their familiar surroundings in Buenos Aires on a rickety 1939 Norton 500. Although the bike breaks down in the course of their eight-month journey, they press onward, hitching rides along the way. As they begin to see a different Latin America in the people they meet on the road, the diverse geography they encounter begins to reflect their own shifting perspectives. They continue to the heights of Machu Picchu, where the majestic ruins and the extraordinary significance of the Inca heritage have a profound impact on the young men. As they arrive at a leper colony deep in the Peruvian Amazon, the two are beginning to question the value of progress as defined by economic systems that leave so many people beyond their reach. Their experiences at the colony awaken within them the men they will later become by defining the ethical and political journey they will take in their lives.

Based on the journals of both Alberto Granado and the man who would later become "El Che"

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Trailer Here (http://www.focusfeatures.com/clips/the_motorcycle_diaries/trailer-480x270.mov)



i'm very excited for this and i'm glad to see that Bernal is making more movies lately.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Pedro on August 15, 2004, 06:21:34 PM
bernal is about as sexy as young che.  this might work
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: 1976 on August 15, 2004, 08:20:49 PM
So far, Bernal is 2 for 2 with me after "Amores Perros" and "Y Tu Mama Tambien." Therefore, I am optimistic this film will work. (If it does, this kid will be on as good a streak as late 90's Edward Norton.)
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: hedwig on September 27, 2004, 02:05:59 PM
Star of 'Motorcycle Diaries' Lashes Out Against U.S. Distribution Policies

The star of The Motorcycle Diaries, Gael Garcia Bernal, has expressed disdain for a Hollywood studio system that relegates pictures like Diaries to limited screenings in so-called art houses. When an interviewer for the Detroit Free Press observed that the movie has the makings of an art-house hit, Bernal responded: "What does that mean, 'art house hit?' Nothing. It still means that most people in your country will never even consider seeing them. These films do not get the chance to compete with the Hollywood films. They get tossed off as foreign and independent films like they are somehow not ready to compete with all that crap that Hollywood produces. Hey, where's my action figure? That's how I will know we are taken seriously, when I get an action figure." Diaries was shepherded by Robert Redford, who bought the film rights to the story, brought in director Walter Salles and writer José Rivera, and supervised its development at the Sundance Institute.

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Harsh and beautiful. I love him.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Pas on October 01, 2004, 08:01:13 PM
Wow I didn't know that when Che wasn't busy being a dictator and slaving people in labor camps he helped lepers. And I tought those emo-teens wearing these t-shirts were stupid...so sowwy
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: hedwig on October 02, 2004, 01:32:48 PM
Che was never a dictator.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: El Duderino on October 02, 2004, 03:36:09 PM
great great great film.....surely on my top 10 of the year
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: kotte on October 02, 2004, 07:52:16 PM
Haven't seen it but it looks good.

The trailer is very inspirational and wakes my passion for the human being and urge to travel.
That's a good trailer.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Ghostboy on October 02, 2004, 07:58:37 PM
I thought this was a very good film, but not great -- it was a moving travelogue, but I also thought it lacked the deeply felt compassion that was so present in Salles' Central Station. The scenes with the lepers were beautifully done, but it didn't feel quite enough like the turning point that I think it was supposed to represent, dramatically...and for that matter, dealing with the lepers (and the other people on the journey) should have been the turning point, and not the swim across the river.

But it was still quite good, thought provoking and well worth your time. I think it will prove an interesting counterpoint to Soderbergh's eventual Che film, though.

I hate those Che t-shirts so much. I love the image, and if someone silkscreened one themselves and gave it to me, I'd certainly wear it. But that they go for 20 bucks at Urban Outfitters is just disgusting. I also think Roger Ebert did well in his review, pointing out that Che should not be revered as much as he is.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Ravi on October 02, 2004, 08:19:08 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_(photo)


Che Guevara (photo)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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Uncropped original photo

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Famous graphic

This article is about the famous photograph and poster-art image of Che Guevara.

Alberto Korda's famous photograph of Che Guevara was taken in March 1960 at a Cuban funeral service, but was published seven years later. The Maryland Institute of Art called Korda's photo, "The most famous photograph in the world and a symbol of the 20th century."

A modified version of the portrait has been reproduced on a range of different media, though Korda never asked for royalties from most of those who reproduced the image because of his belief in Guevara's ideals. However, Korda at least once claimed copyright over the image to prevent it being used in a Vodka ad. Korda was a lifelong communist and only wanted to cut down on blatant commercialization of the image, telling reporters:

"As a supporter of the ideals for which Che Guevara died, I am not averse to its reproduction by those who wish to propagate his memory and the cause of social justice throughout the world."

The most famous image of Che Guevara is the high contrast bust drawing that is based on the photo. This image was made in several variations: some in red and black, others in black and white, and some in black and white with a red star by Irish artist Jim Fitzpatrick, an artist most known for his depictions of Irish mythology.

It is interesting to compare the position of the eyes in the original and in Fitzpatrick's version. In the original, the eyes are focused on the area in front of Guevara; in the drawing, the eyes are looking into the distance. There is a heroic significance in this new position; the original is human, frail, and worried. Looking up, the drawn face is in an act of aggression, perhaps defiance or pride. In this simple gesture, the replacement of the eye-position, the image of Che is appropriated into an impression, a symbol -- from the original, complete, grey-scaled photograph of Korda. The new, two-toned version, the iconic image as opposed to the documentary photograph, is set for mass use.

Fitzpatrick's graphic was later used by Andy Warhol with the same graphic processes that he used on Marilyn Monroe pictures.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: El Duderino on October 03, 2004, 03:05:57 AM
benicio del toro really looks like him
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 03, 2004, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: El Duderinobenicio del toro really looks like him

And will be playing him in the upcoming Che movie directed by Steven Soderberg.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: El Duderino on October 03, 2004, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: Walrus, Kookookajoob
Quote from: El Duderinobenicio del toro really looks like him

And will be playing him in the upcoming Che movie directed by Steven Soderberg.

really? i had no idea. i just pulled del toro out of my ass
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: RegularKarate on October 03, 2004, 02:18:57 PM
and his name is benicio and movies are in theaters
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: hedwig on October 03, 2004, 02:36:33 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: Walrus, Kookookajoob
Quote from: El Duderinobenicio del toro really looks like him

And will be playing him in the upcoming Che movie directed by Steven Soderberg.

really? i had no idea. i just pulled del toro out of my ass

Heh.

Just fa kicks:

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Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: matt35mm on October 03, 2004, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: Walrus, Kookookajoob
Quote from: El Duderinobenicio del toro really looks like him

And will be playing him in the upcoming Che movie directed by Steven Soderberg.
Del Toro and Soderbergh?  I dunno... sounds like an awkward match to me.  I hope they work well together.

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Che looks like Edward Burns a little in that picture.  Actually wait, no, he looks like some other actor that I can't quite pinpoint.  I don't think he looks that much like Del Toro, but Del Toro can still pull it off.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: cine on October 03, 2004, 04:03:13 PM
Ask Mac who he looks like. He's the best with this stuff.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Ghostboy on October 03, 2004, 04:16:52 PM
Nick Stahl.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: MacGuffin on October 03, 2004, 04:17:47 PM
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Quote from: El Duderinoreally? i had no idea. i just pulled del toro out of my ass

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5883

Quote from: matt35mmDel Toro and Soderbergh?  I dunno... sounds like an awkward match to me.  I hope they work well together.

I'm probably missing the joke, but anyway, Soderbergh did direct Del Toro to an Oscar in "Traffic."
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: matt35mm on October 03, 2004, 04:27:24 PM
Yeah, I was joking.  Sorry.

The story behind Del Toro's performance in Traffic is interesting; he came up with much of it through collaborating with Soderbergh and Gaghan--the character was originally very different, I gather.  I think it was a plainer character, maybe somewhat stereotypical, but they all worked together to form a fascinating character, which is what ultimately won him the Oscar and critical praise.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: El Duderino on October 03, 2004, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: El Duderinoreally? i had no idea. i just pulled del toro out of my ass

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5883

i guess internet sarcasm really is hard to catch
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: hedwig on October 03, 2004, 10:29:28 PM
Quote from: El Duderino
Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: El Duderinoreally? i had no idea. i just pulled del toro out of my ass

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5883

i guess internet sarcasm really is hard to catch

This is shocking. I laughed out loud when I read your post. It's incomprehensible that anyone would take it seriously.

Whatever.

I don't like Mel Gibson.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Pas on October 04, 2004, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, I was joking.  Sorry.

No you weren't, liar.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Thrindle on October 04, 2004, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, I was joking.  Sorry.

No you weren't, liar.
YOU'RE BACK!  (how's your love life?)   :wink:
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Pas on October 05, 2004, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: Thrindle
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, I was joking.  Sorry.

No you weren't, liar.
YOU'RE BACK!

No I'm not, liar.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: 03 on November 20, 2004, 12:59:26 PM
my friends review:

Fell in love in amores perros, tried to keep calm in y tu mama tambien but I have officially lost it in motorcycle diaries. I'm likely to go berserk and cut myself in public if I see bad education any time soon. Gael-Garcia-Bernal. In the words of dear bacchanale, "I love all three." Haha.

So if you see him around, can you please tell him I said this:

I like to take foto-camera (amimals , towns , nice nude models and peoples).....
I have home - car .........
I like to be friendship from different country ..
Who you want to come TURKEY I can invitate .....
You can stay my home
Ay kis yu!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: foray on December 30, 2004, 06:05:27 PM
What a great film. When I came out of the cinema, I overheard a man remark "That was a badly-lit film". Maybe he's a "film critic". Wasn't it just atmospheric?  :yabbse-undecided:

I was satisfied even though there wasn't a great crescendo in the story. As the voice-over says, "this isn't a tale of heroic feats".
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: modage on February 27, 2005, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: GhostboyI thought this was a very good film, but not great -- it was a moving travelogue, but I also thought it lacked the deeply felt compassion that was so present in Salles' Central Station. The scenes with the lepers were beautifully done, but it didn't feel quite enough like the turning point that I think it was supposed to represent, dramatically...and for that matter, dealing with the lepers (and the other people on the journey) should have been the turning point, and not the swim across the river.
yep.  i like bernal, and it was good but unfortunately falls into my category of 'sundance movie'.  not quite something i can love totally.
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Thrindle on February 28, 2005, 05:44:55 PM
I really liked this movie.  The transformation of the characters, from beginning to end, was believable and subtle.  Very real.

The only problem was Gael Garcia Bernal.  To put it bluntly, he is too intensely delicious for me to pay full attention (to anything but him).   :kiss:
Title: Motorcycle Diaries
Post by: Gamblour. on March 11, 2005, 05:57:28 PM
I thought this movie was great, Macchu Pichu is beautiful, I have to go see it now. I loved every bit of this. I think it's funny, Bernal's doctor partner didn't seem to be like such a sexual dynamo, so watching him hook with women the whole movie was really funny, I thought.