Was this too obvious of a topic to make?
Anyway, I really dig this movie, it's actually my favorite by CC. I get a lot of flak for thinking that way, but man I love it. I made this thread because I just want to know why you think other CC movies were better, all opinions welcome
I love this movie, too. It got a lot of bad reviews, but I enjoyed it. I think I'd agree that it's one of Cameron's best.
Quote from: tremoloslothI just want to know why you think other CC movies were better
Because they didn't have Penelope Cruz in them.
I did like Vanilla Sky, and I think Crowe inproved upon Abre Los Ojos, but some of the dialogue is not up to Crowe's other screenplays (the whole come back as cats, saddest girl holding a glass and the sour and sweet stuff). And then there's Cruz, who hasn't done a great role since coming to the US (although I really hated her character in Blow, and that was the point). She was fine in the original, but was more annoying in this version, and the thick accent contributed to that.
My Crowe fave is Almost Famous. His most personal, and it shows.
I was high on Vanilla Sky when it came out, but it hasn't aged well for me and would place it under Jerry Maguire and Almost Famous.
I'd say Vanilla Sky is my favorite Crowe movie, but I didn't care much for the ending. It wasn't that I didn't enjoy the premise of it, I just didn't really like that they spelled everything out. The movie makes you think the whole way through and suddenly the end comes and it seems a bit dumbed down. I still thought it was a great movie, though.
I'm going to get yelled at for this, aren't I?
Quote from: BonBon85I'd say Vanilla Sky is my favorite Crowe movie, but I didn't care much for the ending. It wasn't that I didn't enjoy the premise of it, I just didn't really like that they spelled everything out. The movie makes you think the whole way through and suddenly the end comes and it seems a bit dumbed down. I still thought it was a great movie, though.
I'm going to get yelled at for this, aren't I?
3 things I didn't like about this movie!
1.Didn't really like the ending seemed kind of dumb. We live in time where fare out plots are in fasion. 2. Penelopé Cruz she is so damn hot but so damn untalented. 3. The way they used music in the film fx. Sigur Rós, Radiohead and Jeff Buckley. It seemed like Crowe just wanted to present all his favorite bands, while not thinking about how it worked in the film.
But there are lots of positive things in this picture :)
I loved it when I first saw it, but it hasn't aged well for me either, although there's still a whole lot that I really like about it (and I still think it's on par with the original). My favorite CC movie has always been and probably always will be 'Say Anything.' That may not be HIS most personal movie, but it connects the most with me.
Personally, I thought Penelope was adorable in this movie. She's sucked in the rest of her American movies...but she was great when she still spoke Spanish.
I didn't like it much, but mostly because the writings were so damn bad. It really had problems presenting the caracters and/or it didn't really seemed like crowe's script was communicating with the actors.
Worst of them all was Penélope Cuz's caracter wich was beyond cliche and really unlikable, and that ruined everything because of the fact that the entire story was buildt around her. Cruise were mediocore but I thought Diaz was good though and the only caracter i really liked wich is kinda bad when she was presented to be unlikable.
And the ending didn't get me in any way. I just thought it was dumb. Haven't seen Abre Los Ojos though.
Was the original better than CC's version?
Quote from: XixaxWas the original better than CC's version?
I dont think so, but Penelope sure was better in it
I saw 'Vanilla Sky' at the flicks and found myself thinking 'what the f***, IS HAPPENING!' (just as Cruise does in the film). It was just too much to take in, too much stuff not explained, I felt alienated from the film and found it dreary in its last half. Then a few months passed, I thought about it more and more. Before I new it, I couldn't wait for it to hit video stores. I bought the brilliant soundtrack, rented the film and absolutely loved it. Its a hell of a film that takes some getting used to. I've watched it a million times since. Just such a rollercoaster ride that can be an enjoyable one if you just run with it.
Quote from: oakmanc234I saw 'Vanilla Sky' at the flicks and found myself thinking 'what the f***, IS HAPPENING!' (just as Cruise does in the film). It was just too much to take in, too much stuff not explained, I felt alienated from the film and found it dreary in its last half. Then a few months passed, I thought about it more and more. Before I new it, I couldn't wait for it to hit video stores. I bought the brilliant soundtrack, rented the film and absolutely loved it. Its a hell of a film that takes some getting used to. I've watched it a million times since. Just such a rollercoaster ride that can be an enjoyable one if you just run with it.
Maybe i should watch it again. Only seen it once and i felt (to quote oakmanc234) 'what the f***, IS HAPPENING!'. I dont think it will change my opinion about Penélope or the way they used great music very badly, but i most give it another chance.
...This made me think about something fun.....Damn I love this part in Jerry Maguire:
Rod Tidwell: Show me the money! and also
Tidwell: Anyone else would have left you by now, but I'm sticking with you. And if I have to ride your ass like Zorro, you're gonna show me the money.
Got to see Jerry Maguire one more time!
Vanilla Sky = Thumbs down
The whole "twist" about it is just a scene right out of Total Recal.
It had really good music used really poorly and it was just a sad attempt at being hip.
Balls
Quote from: XixaxWas the original better than CC's version?
With out a doubt. I really love Abre Los Ojos much more than Vanilla Sky...the whole guy on the elevator who explained everything wasn't groovy in my opinion. Plus the whole hollywoodization (is that a word?) or the film was really overblown (the opening dream sequence for example).
Quote from: oakmanc234I saw 'Vanilla Sky' at the flicks and found myself thinking 'what the f***, IS HAPPENING!' (just as Cruise does in the film). It was just too much to take in, too much stuff not explained, I felt alienated from the film and found it dreary in its last half. Then a few months passed, I thought about it more and more. Before I new it, I couldn't wait for it to hit video stores. I bought the brilliant soundtrack, rented the film and absolutely loved it. Its a hell of a film that takes some getting used to. I've watched it a million times since. Just such a rollercoaster ride that can be an enjoyable one if you just run with it.
Not to be mean at all...but you actually did have trouble with the film? Interesting, you're the first person I've known to say that...hmmm, wasn't that a Critic's problem, though?
Quote from: RegularKarateVanilla Sky = Thumbs down
The whole "twist" about it is just a scene right out of Total Recal.
It had really good music used really poorly and it was just a sad attempt at being hip.
Balls
Most of the music wasn't used well, but I really liked (the first time I saw it anyway) the use of Good Vibrations.
Pedro the Wombat said: Not to be mean at all...but you actually did have trouble with the film? Interesting, you're the first person I've known to say that...hmmm, wasn't that a Critic's problem, though?
I had problems with stuff like: Why is Diaz back from the dead? Why are 6 different pop songs playing during the sex/rape/murder scene? Why was Cruise suddenly screwing Cruz who is now Diaz? Did he murder someone? Why has the film turned into a f***ing sci-fi flick all of a sudden?
You just dont know what to make of it the first time.
And then the twist comes...and you feel a bit ripped off.
Then you watch it again and just run with it all, enjoying all the bizarre-ness.
I really liked Vanilla Sky. It makes me mad when I hear the "I thought it was a love story but then it turns sci-fi and weird" complaint. (I don't see how anyone who claims to love PDL could make a comment like this). I think that's what so great about it! I love movies that bend genres. Wouldn't you rather see something like this instead of a formulaic romantic comedy a la Sandra-mutha fuckin-Bullock?
I can't comprehend why people think the music is used badly! It's probably the music that gets me most about this film, and was one of the reasons I looked forward to it so much... Sigur Ros' Nothing Song is such an amazing final tune, Spiritualized's Ladies & Gentlemen We're Floating in Space makes me cry every time I watch the movie, and how cool is it that the song titles (Everything in its right place, Sweetness Follows, Last Goodbye, I might be wrong) completely correspond with their placement...? Maybe obvious, but in a good way, I think. Plus: the over-saturation of the soundtrack just contributes to the intentional pop culture overload of the film in general.
Quote from: children with angelsPlus: the over-saturation of the soundtrack just contributes to the intentional pop culture overload of the film in general.
this is true.
Quote from: children with angelsSpiritualized's Ladies & Gentlemen We're Floating in Space makes me cry every time I watch the movie
u should see sumone about this.
That is a rather sad song (Ladies and etc etc)
Quote from: Sigur Rós
or the way they used great music very badly
Did you think The Nothing Song was used badly? And what do you think of Jonsi from Sigur Ros not liking VS at all?
It doesn't surprise me at all that Jonsi didn't like the film: I think that hearing your music tied down to certain images - particularly when you make the kind of etheral, unexplainable music Sigur Ros do - has got to be a weird, and probably negative experience. What are the chances of you thinking someone's captured the meaning of your song with visuals totally? It's not going to happen. But for me: I think it works absolutely perfectly...
Quote from: children with angelsI can't comprehend why people think the music is used badly! It's probably the music that gets me most about this film, and was one of the reasons I looked forward to it so much... Sigur Ros' Nothing Song is such an amazing final tune, Spiritualized's Ladies & Gentlemen We're Floating in Space makes me cry every time I watch the movie, and how cool is it that the song titles (Everything in its right place, Sweetness Follows, Last Goodbye, I might be wrong) completely correspond with their placement...? Maybe obvious, but in a good way, I think. Plus: the over-saturation of the soundtrack just contributes to the intentional pop culture overload of the film in general.
I get what you're saying, but most of the music used in this film is really visual music... I close my eyes and I see something completely different every time - the images that go along with the music in VS are so fucking DULL... I caught how the song titles match the scene... real clever trick that's been used a million times before, but the scene has to deserve the music and this movie didn't deserve these songs.
You think the visuals at the end of the movie are dull? I find that rooftop goodbye and the jumping montage amazing - seriously fucking moving. Maybe that's just me.
Quote from: children with angelsYou think the visuals at the end of the movie are dull? I find that rooftop goodbye and the jumping montage amazing - seriously fucking moving. Maybe that's just me.
Probably not just you, but I'm certainly not on that list.
children with angels wrote: You think the visuals at the end of the movie are dull? I find that rooftop goodbye and the jumping montage amazing - seriously fucking moving.
I agree, that sequence was beautifully done. Probably my favourite moment in the film. It had a great, whimsical quality and ended the film on a high note, whereas the original's rooftop goodbye was portayed frighteningly (no music or slow-mo, the guy screams his f***in head off all the way down). I prefer 'Sky's end but then again, 'Abre Los Ojos' and 'Sky' have a different tone. 'Abre Los' is a f***in great movie but I personally believe that 'Sky' feels much more alive, is more riveting, humoured, enjoyable and less murky.
Thats just my opinion, dont bite my head off for it.
Quick question: Who did that song in 'Sky' when Davd is falling? (is it Radiohead, it sure sounds like them).
No, it's actually Sigur Ros and the song is called Njosnavelin or The Nothing Song
It should've been on the soundtrack (R.E.M. are on it twice).
'Where Do I Begin' from the Chemical Brothers RULZ (and was awesome in the trailer).
While I'm yapping about the soundtrack, I'm glad Paul McCartney got an Oscar nom for the song 'Vanilla Sky'. Cool little number.
I guess ill have to disagree, as I personally thought the music choices were GREAT. They were mostly perfect for the scenes they were in. (Ex. "Everything in its Right Place" right at the beginning) Sigur Ros's music is perfectly haunting for the end sequence. Maybe the soundtrack doesnt click well with the majority of people, but personally it is one of the things that MAKES the film for me. I have since bought the official soundtrack, and hunted down each song used in the film to make myself a "Volume 2" of sorts.
Dont get me wrong, Abre Los Ojos is great in its own right, but its a colder, less emotional film. I really like the Cameron Crowe "warmness" that Vanilla Sky has, it takes a common thriller and takes it one step further. BtW the ending isnt really more spelled out than in Abre Los Ojos, we just get more info, but its not so we can "understand it" , because in Abre los Ojos the french dude tells him explicitely everything that was going on, but Cameron Crowe choses to add a bit to the story, to give us closure on what happened to Sofia, for example. And IMO that one scene with David Aames's wake is one of the most best in the movie.
All of this being said, My favorite Cameron Crowe movie is still Almost Famous. :wink:
It would be completely wrong to do it but I would love to have seen/heard the rooftop goodbye using the To Kill a Mocking Bird score. When I hear it during the elevator montages I dont want it to end. Its one of the most beautiful scores in cinema history.
Oh and amazing use of Todd Rundgrens "Can we still be friends"!
redlum said: Oh and amazing use of Todd Rundgrens "Can we still be friends"!
Yep. That song in the film was suitably F***ING CREEPY. It made the sceen all the more horrific. Kinda like 'Stuck in the middle with you' during the torture sceen in 'Reservoir Dogs'.
Quote from: ProgWRXMaybe the soundtrack doesnt click well with the majority of people, but personally it is one of the things that MAKES the film for me. I have since bought the official soundtrack, and hunted down each song used in the film to make myself a "Volume 2" of sorts.
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Once again, it's not that the soundtrack didn't "Click" with me, I fucking love the music. It was just so poorly used (with the possible exception of the last scene, but by that time, I was just bored) the music just doesn't fit and someone who concerns himself so much with music like Crowe should know better.
im going to need examples, because every piece of music i can think of fits perfectly with each scene
Solsbury hill when they are in Sofia's apartment
Like i mentioned, radiohead's everything in its right place at the beginning, REm's all the right friends when he is picking up Brian, MY favorite things playing at the party, Jeff Buckley "last goodbye" after he leaves sofia apartment , sweetness follows, etc
On the commentry, Crowe mentions that they were listening to Kid A all the time during the shoot, and it occurred to me recently that the movie kind of reflects the arc of the album: it begins with everything apparently fine (Everything in its right place is actually used, obviously), and ends with a strangely sad affirmation of hope (Motion Picture Soundtrack's final "I will see you in the next life" is echoed with the last line "I'll see you in another life when we are both cats..."). In between, things are weird and wonderful and dark. Pretty cool...
I always felt that Motion Picture Soundtrack was the musical equivalent of VS
I thought it was a film that could have been really bad, but the whole warmth of the film, the fact that i actually cared for most of the characters, (apart from kurt russell) carried it for me.
But you`re right the ending sucked.
Quote from: ProgWRXim going to need examples, because every piece of music i can think of fits perfectly with each scene
Solsbury hill when they are in Sofia's apartment
Like i mentioned, radiohead's everything in its right place at the beginning, REm's all the right friends when he is picking up Brian, MY favorite things playing at the party, Jeff Buckley "last goodbye" after he leaves sofia apartment , sweetness follows, etc
love the solsbury hill scene. play that next time ur with a girl and tell me if she doesn't pounce on u right then. my favorite part music wise is Nancy Wilson's score- its great, especially the part near the end when tom cruise runs into sofia's apartment to find cameron beating the shit out of him- then she runs to the bathroom and penelope comes out- the piano piece right then is fucking good.
I think the reason many of you think the music is poorly used is because the majority of the movie is David Aames' dream.
When somebody is dreaming, little bits of their life pop into the dream, (images, people, places, MUSIC).
Which also ties into the final building jump, life flashing before eyes montage.
I never really liked the film myself. Complaints obviously go for the ending and all, but much more than that. I understood what it was trying to say underneath it all with what certain decisions can bring to someone's life and all, but I only really understood that within a period of a minute or less at the end of the movie where things are tidied up into some conveyed sense, but the rest of the movie feels like an ineffective strange movie that goes from situation of weirdness to drama to strange twist and relaying Cruise in a world of different characters that allows himself to take on so many aspects of what a character can do. The most insighful review by a critic, from Stanley Kauffmann, dismissed the entire plot in review and said it could be argued for being good or not, but said it was not. The main thing to him is that it seemed to be a movie aimed to show Cruise off in how he wants to be seen himself as an actor now. That the entire movie was for Cruise to play a character who goes through all these things and that was the only thing it seemed focused on. I'm agreeing because the movie dealt mainly with Cruise's character making dramatic shifts while all the supporting characters really seemed tangled in uneven ways of importance or relation to Cruise, but the gauntlet of Cruise showing every excessive way of acting continued. In the end, the mess was tidied up to fit an idea that would of course try to make it feel like a movie, but during the entire thing, it seemed like a vehicle for Cruise himself to announce his days of Top Gun were over and in case you didn't catch Magnolia, he is now playing characters of this emotional extreme.
~rougerum
then in your eyes, the real person to blame would be Alejandro Amenabar and Mateo Gil, for writing Abre Los Ojos in such a way that the David/Cesar character goes through that journey. Does it bother you that much when Eduardo Noriega goes thru it? Or is it just bad in this case because its Tom Cruise, and not some indie actor?
Dont get me wrong, I dont want to diss your opinion, but i highly disagree that the movie intended to be just a showcase for Tom Cruise, specially considering that it wasnt even written with him in mind.
First off, I've never seen the original ever so will not even attempt to comment on it. Do I think the main reason the producers even made the movie for the showcase of Cruise? No. Do I think that is the final result though of the movie? Yes. Its in my interpretation of the movie that the only concise thing gotten from the movie was the showcase of Cruise the actor in how he wants to be seen as. Everything else is jumbled.
~rougerum
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetFirst off, I've never seen the original ever so will not even attempt to comment on it. Do I think the main reason the producers even made the movie for the showcase of Cruise? No. Do I think that is the final result though of the movie? Yes. Its in my interpretation of the movie that the only concise thing gotten from the movie was the showcase of Cruise the actor in how he wants to be seen as. Everything else is jumbled.
~rougerum
Do you come to these conclusions whilst watching the film. Or does that happen afterwards?
I think Cruise played a very hard character. David obviously had some deep issues that weren't neccessarily the focus of this story but are still there none the less. His relationship with his father, feeling like a failure in his eyes and the Atticus Finch idea. All pretty hard to convey when on the surface he's just a charming, two-timing rich kid.
I think the focus of this film is a bit mis-directed, thats all. What you get out of it depends on the angle you take when you watch it. For me The score of To Kill a Mocking Bird kind of nailed it. Pretty vague but it just reminds of the innoncence of childhood and how easily it can be lost. Translated to TC's character its kind of sad. Its just hard to see because on the outside he's Citizen Dildo.
I got my thoughts from that one review I read which was the only one having it, and then I went back and watched the film again to see if I thought it was correct, and it was. But see, the movie is never really clear about how it wants to view itself even in making a movie that is confusing. It seems to go from one story to another, with threads of a storyline that could fit together, but really little focus in shaping it to a focus of one theme. When I watched the end and the give away, I was like, "Oh, thats what it wanted to show us." The answer to the movie was given to me in a matter of dialogue. Like I said before, the only clear focus in the movie is Tom Cruise and his showing off to how many changes his character can make. The storyline seemed so jumbled that in its mess of arranging characters from one importance to another to Cruise that by the end, it decided to end it all on "explain everything to credit the first hour and a half". The movie just doesn't seem like it is coming from a good natural spot in trying to convey a story and ideas.
~rougerum
THIS IS THE WORST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN.
never have i seen something that falls so flat on its face.
every line of dialogue makes me cringe.
and never have i seen a movie where its more obvious how the director was attempting to pull you in.
cameron crowe is a bane to the film industry.
awful.
Quote from: manvstreesTHIS IS THE WORST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN.
never have i seen something that falls so flat on its face.
every line of dialogue makes me cringe.
and never have i seen a movie where its more obvious how the director was attempting to pull you in.
cameron crowe is a bane to the film industry.
awful.
BULLDICKIE!!!
listen man, Cameron Crowe's Vanilla Sky is a damn good movie, not as good as Abres Los Ojos, nor is it a modern masterpiece but its a damn good film. Considering all the crap that is thrown up on the screen these days, I very much appreciated all the thought that was put in to this film, plus hidden secrets inserted into this film. Like the Exodus references in Magnolia, these secrets are very fun to look for.
I don't know what you mean by the dialogue, I thought it was very well written and well acted. Some people were getting so into it, that they were highly disappointed that this turned out to be more a sci-fi film and not a romantic-dramedy.
I compare this film to A.I. in a lot of ways, a misfire that really shouldn't have been made (or remade in this case) but still a good film. Cameron Crowe isn't a bane to the film industry either and I hope he makes many more exceptional films in the years to come.
I just want to say if you have only seen Vanilla Sky once, see it again. I saw this in theatres and was not a big fan but i now own it and i love it. Its the type of movie that gets better every single time you see it. The use of music to me was really fucking cool. Many onf you out there would rather the whole thing just be filled with some hollywood score which would be totally un original and lame. Watch the movie again.
I have to agree about the music. The movie itself is hugely about how pop culture influences our memories and our lives, so its full of them. The scene someone up on this post was complaining about, when David picks up Brian and asks what he wants to listen to, and lists Radiohead and Looper, some people might see that as a "trying to be hip" thing, i just see it as being REALISTIC. I cannot count the times i get frustrated when movies just ignore current trends/popculture to not seem dated, it turns out being completely unrealistic. Thats one of the main reasons i *love* Cameron's style of writing, because the characters speak like *us* , when you go pick up your buddy , and talk about what to put on the cd player, you dont mention the band names/album names? OF COURSE WE DO! All those pop culture references just helped me believe that the characters in the movie lived in the same dimension *I* do, where there is Radiohead, Spielberg, Conan O' Brian, Courtney love (bleh), Coltrane, etc. And for me, it was hugely refreshing to see a slice of realism in the way of pop culture references, without the film makers fearing that it would terribly date the movie...
That's the thing though... these guys aren't my fucking buddies... they're not real people and it's too clear... if they were people, they wouldn't listen to Radiohead either.
I don't buy your reasoning.
erm ... according to Crowe on the VS commentary, they *DO* listen to radiohead, etc. He mentions a couple of times that Jason Lee was heavily into Kid A during the shoot, and he infected everyone around him with it, to the point they ended up playing it a lot during the scenes...and thats how it came to be in the film... (and that most of the other music on the film was in fact the music they had on while shooting it)
:?
yeah... but Jason Lee's not playing Jason Lee (though he usually is, in fact really) and he's really the only character in the whole film that I thought would believably listen to Radiohead really... Don't buy that anyone else in that film would... certainly not Cruise's character.
why not? a "young" rich head of a publishing empire living in NYC, i personally dont see why it would be so far fetched... although i would agree that Tom Cruise in real life probably wouldnt... but after seeing the commentary and other footage like the gag reel...im not so sure about that either... :?:
agree to disagree? :wink: no sense in argueing much about opinions after all :-D
Quote from: ProgWRXno sense in argueing much about opinions after all :-D
sorry to butt in here -- this always just annoys me... people always say theres no point in argueing over opinions. thats the whole basis of a debate -- subjective views! its not possible to argue FACTS. with out opinions there is no debate about anything. ther is a HUGE point to argueing about opionion, becuase thats the only thing you can argue about. sorry that you had to be the punching bag for my angry rant. im done now.
i guess i get what you mean, but i do believe the old saying that you should ultimately respect other people's opinions, because they are never wrong or right...
Quote from: ProgWRXi guess i get what you mean, but i do believe the old saying that you should ultimately respect other people's opinions, because they are never wrong or right...
some opinions can be wrong. if you can prove an opinion wrong based on fact or logic, then you win the arguement. however argueing over speculations is a waste of time -- can anyone ever say if a fictitious character in a movie would actually listen to THAT cd? i guess you can argue about it till the sun comes up -- however no consensus will ever be met. the whole point of discussion and debating is to prove someone wrong or to make them change their minds. respecting someone's opinion and challenging it, are two different things, my friend.
well i know what you mean
but again, in the same way that if he believes the music in VS is a poor attempt at being hip, while i believe that it fits great and adds realism, there is no fact that could prove either of us wrong or right, thats what i was talking about when i mentioned about opinions :-D
i don't know. i think david ames might be into radiohead, he seems pretty hip to me. i'll tell you one thing, he definitely doesn't watch movies like jules et jim.
Vanilla Sky? are you serious? in movies directors try add the affect of having you not know anything to is going on. but they add a little here and there to whet your appetite so you'll keep watching. like VS there's that scene where they are in the coffe house and the guy tells him that he can make anything happen and Tom says that he wants everyone to shutup and they do. see that kept me watching it. but at the end they just shoved the whole plot down your throat with a rusty spoon in five minutes on the elevator ride. i hated that! it was just like "well here's the plot now get outta here and take your trash with ya!" it made me mad and the whole storyline was unrealistic.
Just saw this again for the second time. My first time was maybe.. in 2001... but, the second time around wasn't nearly as powerful as my first viewing. That's a bad thing! :x
Quote from: meatballJust saw this again for the second time. My first time was maybe.. in 2001... but, the second time around wasn't nearly as powerful as my first viewing. That's a bad thing! :x
..all you have to do is pretend that it was still as powerful as it was the first time then it wouldn't be a bad thing.......
thanks..... :wink:
for my first time in this subject, i dont want to upset anyone, so try to hear me out. i came to the conclusion about a year ago that vanilla sky was the worst movie i had ever seen. i'm not exaggerating, and i say it with all the love that i can find for such a bad movie. the only movie i've seen since then that could maybe be worse was matchstick men. now before anyone gets angry, let me tell you why. first of all, during the film i became increasingly weary of investing emotionally in scenes that turned out to only be dreams. at the time i could handle a dream or two in a movie, and with vanilla sky i continually forgave it becuase i was anticipating a very good ending, one that would make me forget all those scenes that led nowhere, becuase suddenly it made beautiful sense. at the end it made sense, but it wasnt beautiful. instead of an ending that would make me forget the dreams, almost the whole movie became a dream. what is the point? my sophomore english teacher once read me a great quote, and it went something like this: "there are two ways that you should never end a story: 'i'm gay' or 'and then he woke up'" vanilla sky has since planted a deep seeded hatred for dreams inside of me. i just think that movies have the right to let weird things happen, you dont need to put them into a dream to make your movie more beleiveable. i guess a bad ending just ruins what could possibly be a good movie. the ending spoils great scenes (what if god was one of us?) thats why i hate matchstick men so much. i felt with both movies that a close friend had deeply betrayed me. maybe i take movies too seriously. but also, dont you guys get the idea that CC comes up with great premises, great characters, beautiful dialogue, but never knows where to go with it?
Cool, Matchstick Men spoilers in the Vanilla Sky thread.
hey slobh, when does that UCB dvd come out?
Quote from: travisbickle1000hey slobh, when does that UCB dvd come out?
UCB DVD out now, and I FINALLY HAVE IT
I just can't seem to get this movie out of my head. Vanilla Sky is clearly Cameron Crowe's best film with underrated performances from the cast. I couldn't believe that Crowe wasn't up for an Oscar for his direction. All the images and scenes were put together beautifully and brilliantly. The last scene in particular is one of the most beautiful sequeneces ever filmed. It's the kinda scene I just get goosebumbs while watching. I can watch this movie over and over again and never get tried of it. Brilliant!
Quote from: SydneyI just can't seem to get this movie out of my head. Vanilla Sky is clearly Cameron Crowe's best film with underrated performances from the cast. I couldn't believe that Crowe wasn't up for an Oscar for his direction. All the images and scenes were put together beautifully and brilliantly. The last scene in particular is one of the most beautiful sequeneces ever filmed. It's the kinda scene I just get goosebumbs while watching. I can watch this movie over and over again and never get tried of it. Brilliant!
agree 100 percent although i do not know if it is his best film
Quote from: SydneyI just can't seem to get this movie out of my head. Vanilla Sky is clearly Cameron Crowe's best film with underrated performances from the cast. I couldn't believe that Crowe wasn't up for an Oscar for his direction. All the images and scenes were put together beautifully and brilliantly. The last scene in particular is one of the most beautiful sequeneces ever filmed. It's the kinda scene I just get goosebumbs while watching. I can watch this movie over and over again and never get tried of it. Brilliant!
um, why did you post in blue? just curious. (cuz i'm an avid fan of colors, but a firm believer in that there's a time and a place)
I hardly ever post in colors. I just thought it would be interesting to post it with a blue color...like the skies. Just a way to give some credit to the film.
does tommy lee really have a cameo in 'sky? i read at imdb that he appears as the "frozen vintage car man". dude, i totally missed out on that one. (tommy lee pun intended) can anyone help me find the scene where he's in?
I agree with what's been said about the music. I loved the songs, but when I thought about it, they just didn't fit.
The Good Vibrations part was funny, but man did it not fit after a little bit.
I thought at first Penelope Cruz sucked, but then I thought maybe her character was foreign and was struggling with English, so she's a little introverted. I came to realize, that she wasn't acting that part.
I also didn't like how it spelled everything out for you in the end. I like replay in movies, and if it didn't say "Remember when this happened? Well..." It definitely had me hooked to watch it again, but what's the point now that they've told me what to think?
The ending was a little disappointing, but thinking about it, I couldn't think of a more fitting one.
However, the dialogue was really good and the shots were very nice. The flow of the movie is really what left much to be desired. (By flow I mean order and music as music is essential to progression in some films).
anybody else catch how much Vanilla Sky has in common with Sunset Blvd?
va... nil... la... ska... yee?
Vanilla Sky is such a refreshing movie and it makes me :) plus it has the third best performance of Tommy Cruise.