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Release Date: July 23rd, 2004 (wide)
Cast: Matt Damon (David Webb, AKA Jason Bourne), Franka Potente (Marie Kreutz), Joan Allen (CIA Agent Helen Landy), Tomas Arana, Brian Cox (Ward Abbott), Tom Gallop, Julia Stiles (Nicolette), Karl Urban.
Director: Paul Greengrass (Bloody Sunday, The Theory of Flight)
Screenwriter: Tony Gilroy (Proof of Life, Dolores Claiborne, Extreme Measures, The Cutting Edge; cowriter of The Bourne Identity)
Based Upon: The 1986 novel, "The Bourne Supremacy", by Robert Ludlum (1927-2001), which forms the middle third of the Bourne Trilogy. Universal is dedicated to adapting all three books, with the first movie, The Bourne Identity, released in 2002 and the final one, "The Bourne Ultimatum", also in development.
Premise: When a Chinese vice-premier is executed by notorious assassin Jason Bourne, it causes serious trouble and hubbub in the CIA. Why? There is no "Jason Bourne", as that name is just a cover for CIA agent David Webb (Damon), so it appears that someone has taken the "Bourne identity" away from him, creating a diplomatic crisis between the U.S.A. and China. It's up to the real "Bourne" to find out who's behind this ruse, and hopefully return peace to the two nations before they go to war over it, while also protecting his girlfriend, Marie Kreutz (Potente), whose life is threatened by this latest imbroglio. Meanwhile, Nicolette (Stiles), who was the only survivor of the events in the first movie besides David/Jason and Marie, finds herself being suspected by her CIA superiors as being in cahoots with Jason. (Joan Allen plays a CIA agent who spends most of the movie trying to track him down; Urban plays one of the bad guys; Arana plays Allen's boss at the CIA)
i didnt really like the first one...probably wont like this one. but i will end up seeing it anyway.
GT, are you psyched for this film or what? wasnt Bourne Identity in your all time favorites list?
I think this was a very good film... Matt Damon was great and I liked how they shot the different scenes in Europe... especially the car chase in Paris...
We'll see what happens with this one... no trailer yet :?
I've been waiting for the next installment for a while. I liked the first movie and thought it'd be great to keep the movies related by characters and continuation. Plus, they didn't strive too far from the original novel.
Trailer here. (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1268073&sdm=web&qtw=640&qth=400)
I am a fan of The Bourne Identity, Matt Damon and that trailer. So, I'm sold.
Well I loved Bloody Sunday. So I'm excited that Paul Greengrass is the director.
Does anyone remember the scene from Bourne Identity where the guy gets up and runs through a window off a balcony? I laughed so hard when I saw that. Overall i thought it was an enjoyable film, i'll look forward to the next one.
Quote from: TictacbkDoes anyone remember the scene from Bourne Identity where the guy gets up and runs through a window off a balcony?
haha yeah, and then the girl's like "why did he just jump through the window?" i watched it like 2 days ago on Starz
Quote from: themodernage02GT, are you psyched for this film or what? wasnt Bourne Identity in your all time favorites list?
I'm really excited, but trying to down play my excitement. Bourne Identity was great in the little I expected from it and the little in the film I was really able to appreciate. Sure, The Bourne Identity could be seen as one of my fave films, but I was trying to be democratic with that list and spread out what films I voted for.
The car crashes look brutal. The main thing I liked about Identity was the realism factor. It wasn't "special effect madness" or fight choreography by Yuen Wo-Ping--it looked like something you could really see happening. I think Supremacy will fill Identity's shoes.
he really shoulda stuck with them mr. ripley sequels.
I wonder how he's gonna top "riding a free falling deadbody while shooting another guy in the head" in this one.
Quote from: RaikusThe car crashes look brutal. The main thing I liked about Identity was the realism factor. It wasn't "special effect madness" or fight choreography by Yuen Wo-Ping--it looked like something you could really see happening. I think Supremacy will fill Identity's shoes.
looked like something I could see happening? that's funny, 'cause I couldn't see ANYTHING with them "stlylish" swoosh-pans and quick cuts.
Well, I can't really say it was "funny" but the direction in the movie heightened the realism for me.
It was a much better action movie than nearly anything that's come out in the last five years.
definately, i loved how everything was downplayed, oh and the music in the movie is pretty good too...
I wouldn't call driving a minicooper down two sets of stairs "downplayed."
that's like the must-have stunt in every car chase that takes place in europe.
compared to chases in other movies, yeah it was downplayed, also the choice of cars, say compared to movies like Ronin... an old screwed up mini vs varios high end audis, bmws, etc...
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It was okay... we've seen this movie before, but I had not seen a good old fashioned american movie in a month or so, so I enjoyed it. No annoying spy-in-love story, that was nice.
I liked this movie a lot. It was very well executed. It knew what type of movie that it was, and it hit all it's marks dead on. There was never a moment where I thought it was meandering.
Very excellent follow-up/sequel/continuation of "Identity;" nicely following the 'rules' that Doug Liman set, although it doesn't entirely live up to that. The hand-held camera work (and to some extent, the editing) was too frenetic and jittery, thus distracting. I've always been a fan of Joan Allen and she plays a worthy adversary. A great car chase that ranks up there with those in "Ronin."
Not being a big, big fan of action movies, I found myself actually enjoying this one, surprisingly so. I thought it was better than the first (though my friends disagree), and the car chase (in an incredibly durable taxi) was the highlight of the movie. The jittery camera really only bother me during, possibly, the most important parts of an action movie: the action scenes (fortunately though, this movie isn't all action, it works on the dramatic side a bit more than most). The fight was dizzying and I had trouble following what was happening.
But that's my only real gripe, that I can think of.
Did it end kind of suddenly to anyone else, or was it just me??
$52.5M the first weekend
Not bad at all :wink:
Quote from: ranemaka13Did it end kind of suddenly to anyone else, or was it just me??
It ended on a strange note for me. I thought, "Okay.. the end?" Nothing like Spider-Man swinging through Manhattan then perching on top of a skyscraper needle.
Quote from: MacGuffinVery excellent follow-up/sequel/continuation of "Identity;" nicely following the 'rules' that Doug Liman set, although it doesn't entirely live up to that. The hand-held camera work (and to some extent, the editing) was too frenetic and jittery, thus distracting. I've always been a fan of Joan Allen and she plays a worthy adversary. A great car chase that ranks up there with those in "Ronin."
I totally agree with you for once. I even told my my brother the exact same thing, about the camerawork being a bit too jittery at times, but he said he was fine with it.
This movie sucked.
I want Lethal Weapon & Die Hard back god damnit.
lethal weapon's getting too old for this shit
Quote from: El Duderinolethal weapon's getting too old for this shit
Die Hard on the other hand... (http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=5707)
I liked everything about this film except for how it was shot and edited. The short take, fast cut feel to it didn't work for the most part. I was annoyed by it and I wish Liman would have directed it. The performances and script are fine...and it's good to see an action film that doesn't rely on one liners. Just the fast cutting didn't work for me, the big action set pieces were more confusing than exciting.
Saw it last night. Liked the story and the acting but found parts of the cinematography unwatchable. Especially during the fight and chase scenes. It literally gave me a headache and made me naucious. Also it seemed like they cut part of julia stiles character. She just disappeared from the story. But she did look hot, in a classy way.
I liked the car chase in the end, thought that was pretty cool, but the fight scenes here were even choppier than the first one, didn't know that was possible.
plot was pretty predictable, but it came off as intelligent, or at least bearable, because they talked in fun CIA doubletalks and the old-skool computers definitely added authenticity. I always hated computer search programs in movies that had crazy smooth animation, and everytime it finds a document or tracks down the person there's always this annoying 3D sequence of a window flying up to the main window with some kind of sophisticated animated sequence ("Enemy of the State" comes to mind right now). does anyone know what I'm talking about? computer programs in movies that looked way too nice? am I just a nerd? either way, the computers used in this film seemed a lot more real.
I think the funnest parts of the movie were definitely the McGuyver/ Home Alone moments when he just walked around and used common items for Greater Purposes.
I haven't seen this.
stefen, is it that important to tell us everything you DONT watch?
i think that was the joke.
like, i would've said:
"stefen hasn't seen this."
Quote from: SHAFTRI liked everything about this film except for how it was shot and edited. The short take, fast cut feel to it didn't work for the most part. I was annoyed by it and I wish Liman would have directed it. The performances and script are fine...and it's good to see an action film that doesn't rely on one liners. Just the fast cutting didn't work for me, the big action set pieces were more confusing than exciting.
The editing was actually the development in the movie, if a little misguided. The main problem for me was in the script. My appreciation of The Bourne Identity was the closeness and patience it had for Bourne and how the simple filmmaking and story brought us to discover who Bourne was along with the character doing the same. This film, basically Bourne on a revenge path, does have more intense filmmaking to fit his mind path and rage, but it doesn't go far enough. Too many times the scenes of purposeful confusion comes just in the action scenes and not ones that devled into his character. Bourne's identity to the audience is different and sometimes, the filmmaking gets it right. During the interrogation scene in Naples, the film shows him there silent at first with ominous sounds straight out of a horror film. It is a perfect and simple introduction to the new state of his mind and the scene is perfectly played out to bring out the fear everyone in the film has for him and how dangerous he can feel to the audience. Thing is, the film follows the other stories almost as much as his story and the closeness achieved in the first one is gone. Instead of each new action scene feeling like a development from walking in the shoes of Bourne, they feel like closely placed scenes jumbled amongst other scenes trying to get all plot points orderly. Damon as Bourne is fascinating, but the reward isn't as rich. The new filmmaking in intensifying the view point of Bourne is correct, but only done to some levels, just teasing with the potential of what it could have been if thought out just a little more.
Quote from: metroshaneSaw it last night. Liked the story and the acting but found parts of the cinematography unwatchable. Especially during the fight and chase scenes. It literally gave me a headache and made me naucious.
That annoyed me too. As soon as a fight or a chase started, the cinematography switched into handheld/long lenses mode.
QuoteAlso it seemed like they cut part of julia stiles character. She just disappeared from the story. But she did look hot, in a classy way.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought she just disappeared. I thought I had missed something.
I always felt the first was let down a little by the human glider/crash mat, and so I was really glad that they were quite conservative with the action in Supremacy. I don't think I can ask for more from it. I liked the shaky cam, it may be a cheap way to instantly give any fight more energy but I could stomach it.
I hope they don't follow-up the series if they cant think of something other than Bourne re-teaming with the government. Bourne continually avoiding capture fueled every scene and unless they put him behind enemy lines; becoming the hunter would really mess with that dynamic.
I think this summer movie was rendered useless when Collateral came out.
Quote from: peteI think this summer movie was rendered useless when Collateral came out.
Well, I didn't like Collateral at all. That argument is in its proper thread. I love The Bourne Supremacy, though. Already seen it 3 times and the most I've ever seen any one movie in the theatre is 4 times. I stay with all my original complaints about the film. It is very much flawed and very dissapointing compared to the original but yet, it is exciting. The series is exciting. The character remains fascinating to me on every lure of movie character syndrome. Its good enough and has me excited for the third.
gt, from what you post here, it seems like you hate everything, but you'd go and see a summer action film three times in the theaters? that's thirty dollars, not including popcorn and soda. i haven't seen this movie, but there's no way it's that good. plus, i thought the original was quite stale. i guess i'm just trying to say that i don't get you at all.
dont even bother... :roll:
Quote from: bonanzatazgt, from what you post here, it seems like you hate everything, but you'd go and see a summer action film three times in the theaters? that's thirty dollars, not including popcorn and soda. i haven't seen this movie, but there's no way it's that good. plus, i thought the original was quite stale. i guess i'm just trying to say that i don't get you at all.
I think its easier for everyone to assume I like to hate everything. Honestly, its not the truth. From my posting it should be that I am just tougher on certain movies and more apt to be bored. Disagree with me or not, I do explain myself. Heavily enough that I feel dumb after most of my posts for contributing a review usually twice as long as anyone else's because the dumb line here is that whatever I say, it'll be taken as, "GT hates this movie. That's all."
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI think its easier for everyone to assume I like to hate everything. Honestly, its not the truth. From my posting it should be that I am just tougher on certain movies and more apt to be bored. Disagree with me or not, I do explain myself. Heavily enough that I feel dumb after most of my posts for contributing a review usually twice as long as anyone else's because the dumb line here is that whatever I say, it'll be taken as, "GT hates this movie. That's all."
no no no. that's not what i meant at all. whenever you hate a movie you always back it up with a decent argument. i like your reviews b/c they help me see movies i like in a new perspective. and if i don't like the movies you don't like, then i'm happy somebody is in agreeance. i was just saying that the bourne supremacy seemed to me to be a funny movie for you to like, just because it is a summer action movie. and b/c i disliked the first one.
he is weird. he LOVED the first one enough to put it on his dekapitation list. he also liked Two Weeks Notice and the American Pie series. dont try to figure him out.
Universal has announced The Bourne Supremacy which stars the likes of Matt Damon, Franka Potente, Brian Cox, Joan Allen and Julia Stiles. This Paul Greengrass directed sequel, will be available to own in seperate widescreen and full screen releases from the 7th December this year. Retail for both of these will be set at around $29.98. Each will include an English, French and Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1 track along with an audio commentary with director Paul Greengrass, deleted scenes, a Matching Identities: Casting featurette, a Keeping It Real featurette, a Blowing Things Up featurette, an On the Move with Jason Bourne featurette and a Bourne to be Wild: Fight Training featurette. Completing the package will be a Crash Cam: Racing Through the Streets of Moscow feature, a Go-Mobile Revs up the Action feature, an Anatomy of a Scene: The Explosive Bridge Chase Scene feature, a Scoring with John Powell featurette and cast and crew biographies.
Quote from: bonanzatazQuote from: The Gold TrumpetI think its easier for everyone to assume I like to hate everything. Honestly, its not the truth. From my posting it should be that I am just tougher on certain movies and more apt to be bored. Disagree with me or not, I do explain myself. Heavily enough that I feel dumb after most of my posts for contributing a review usually twice as long as anyone else's because the dumb line here is that whatever I say, it'll be taken as, "GT hates this movie. That's all."
no no no. that's not what i meant at all. whenever you hate a movie you always back it up with a decent argument. i like your reviews b/c they help me see movies i like in a new perspective. and if i don't like the movies you don't like, then i'm happy somebody is in agreeance. i was just saying that the bourne supremacy seemed to me to be a funny movie for you to like, just because it is a summer action movie. and b/c i disliked the first one.
Well, The Bourne Supremacy is easy to like. Unlike it Collateral, its just a summer action film. I can easily fall victim to enjoying films that try nothing more to be than entertaing. Collateral, on the other hand, tries to be bold, daring and worst of all, moving. Its a silly attempt at a drama and a lame action film. People think I observe all films on equal footing. Not at all. I look at every film with what it is trying to be and then I go from there.
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maybe this belongs in another thread, but you think Collateral tries harder to be moving than Bournce Supremacy? The latter movie's got these nightmare sequences, a crying underwater scene, and a "I killed your father" scene. While Collateral really didn't have any of such scenes. I don't understand why Collateral is "bold". It's a well-made thriller, but otherwise very standard. Even its existentialist quips about man on the subway dying alone turns out to be just a pay off in the plotpoint in the end. That's not very daring to me.
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maybe this belongs in another thread, but you think Collateral tries harder to be moving than Bournce Supremacy? The latter movie's got these nightmare sequences, a crying underwater scene, and a "I killed your father" scene. While Collateral really didn't have any of such scenes. I don't understand why Collateral is "bold". It's a well-made thriller, but otherwise very standard. Even its existentialist quips about man on the subway dying alone turns out to be just a pay off in the plotpoint in the end. That's not very daring to me.
The Bourne Supremacy has some interest at heart and emotion, sure, but its so little involving that I don't see it go beyond what happens in any other action movie. Remember all the vague little attempts of "heart and emotion" in Demolition Man? And I'll happily say that I don't think that movie took itself serious at all. Collateral is an attempt of a portrait of a sociopath who believes everything he says and finds no understanding of how anyone can disagree with him. The addition of Jamie Foxx in that scenario is to contradict who Cruise's character represents. When people say they like Collateral, they usually say how much depth there is to this thriller when others stream along the usual path. So I don't think I'm making anything up here.
so even though bourne supremacy may actually not be any better than collateral, you think its better because, in your opinion, it wasnt trying to be better (and collateral was). you say bs's heart is so little involving like that was the point, and that collateral is attempting to be a portrait of a sociopath like that was its point?
Quote from: themodernage02so even though bourne supremacy may actually not be any better than collateral, you think its better because, in your opinion, it wasnt trying to be better (and collateral was). you say bs's heart is so little involving like that was the point, and that collateral is attempting to be a portrait of a sociopath like that was its point?
Its better because it succeed more at what is was trying to do - and that is be entertaining! As a thriller alone, Collateral is lame and boring. I was involved in the Bourne Supremacy and, problems aside, I really had a great time.
I love debates.
Film debates are even better.
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how did you feel about xXx? that was a badass action movie without the intent to be anything more.
Quote from: bonanzatazhow did you feel about xXx? that was a badass action movie without the intent to be anything more.
I liked it when I first saw it (and yea, I saw on the first showing of the first day) but after that I grew tired of how much it was trying to be cool, in your face and explosive all the time. A little more story would have done wonders.
yeah but by your definition, dont you judge films by what they are trying to be? xxx had no interest in a little more story, it was all about being cool. so, didnt it succeed in doing that? why would you force more story onto a movie that had no aspirations to have it?
Dude, stop trying to disect GT's logic, man... just let it be...
...on an unrelated note, I eat Gardenburgers because they taste good, not because they taste like what they're trying to be (a hamburger), cuz they don't.
Quote from: RegularKarateDude, stop trying to disect GT's logic, man... just let it be...
...on an unrelated note, I eat Gardenburgers because they taste good, not because they taste like what they're trying to be (a hamburger), cuz they don't.
i second and third both points.
Quote from: themodernage02yeah but by your definition, dont you judge films by what they are trying to be? xxx had no interest in a little more story, it was all about being cool. so, didnt it succeed in doing that? why would you force more story onto a movie that had no aspirations to have it?
I'll continue this anyways. Look at S.W.A.T, its a movie of the same caliber of depth as XXX but yet it does have a story that makes the action scenes more rewarding. When I ask for more story, I don't ask for more depth, just better pacing.
Quote from: Regular KarateDude, stop trying to disect GT's logic, man... just let it be...
...on an unrelated note, I eat Gardenburgers because they taste good, not because they taste like what they're trying to be (a hamburger), cuz they don't.
Ah, but who says they are necessarily trying to taste like a regular burger? Has the company who made this "burger" ever said such a thing? I'll be they are going for a unique (but good) taste.
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...on an unrelated note, I eat Gardenburgers because they taste good, not because they taste like what they're trying to be (a hamburger), cuz they don't.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetAh, but who says they are necessarily trying to taste like a regular burger? Has the company who made this "burger" ever said such a thing? I'll be they are going for a unique (but good) taste.
EXACTLY... you understand!
and yet... you don't
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it's good to see an action film that doesn't rely on one liners
Quote from: MacGuffin
The hand-held camera work (and to some extent, the editing) was too frenetic and jittery, thus distracting.
I've always been a fan of Joan Allen and she plays a worthy adversary.
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No annoying spy-in-love story, that was nice.
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It was very well executed. It knew what type of movie that it was, and it hit all it's marks dead on. There was never a moment where I thought it was meandering.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetDuring the interrogation scene in Naples, the film shows him there silent at first with ominous sounds straight out of a horror film. It is a perfect and simple introduction to the new state of his mind and the scene is perfectly played out to bring out the fear everyone in the film has for him and how dangerous he can feel to the audience.
Agree 100%. What shaft said was probably what made this film really great for me.
This made me want to buy the EE of Identity.
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Agree 100%. What shaft said was probably what made this film really great for me.
This made me want to buy the EE of Identity.
Ditto. It's odd though. There's some great special features (albeit short) on there but for some reason the commentary from the original release is not on there and neither is the DTS.
Matt Damon, Action Star... who would have known?
SO late coming into the Bourne series, I know. Saw Identity over the weekend for the first time in its entirety and was pretty impressed. It was much better than I expected.
Saw Supremacy last night and LOVED IT! It was fun, it was clever, and it never got too ridiculous, like other action/spy flicks (i.e. M:I2) where almost every law of physics and logic is bent or completely shattered. And Joan Allen just needs to be in every movie.
The cinematography/editing that everyone was bitching about was more compelling than the first film and definitely not overdone. But I'm the kind of person to take a movie full of handheld shaky camerawork than too many things blowing up any day.