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Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: pete on March 31, 2004, 11:51:12 PM
anyone seen this yet?
it's about a kid whose communist mom was in a coma during the fall of the Berlin Wall.  She wakes up, and the doctor explains that any trauma might kill her, so her kid has to carefully recreate the East Germany she knew, and I guess farce and tender moments ensue.

I just went to see this.  It was really quirky, but something was missing.  I felt that the movie took a lot of shortcuts in its 80s Communist German nostalgia--which unfortunately didn't traslate so well to us American viewers.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Ghostboy on April 01, 2004, 12:17:23 AM
Overall it was highly enjoyable, but it just kept going and going...I stopped believing or caring after the whole statue incident. At that point, the mother just became stupid and her son became annoying.

However, it did give me a GREAT idea of what to do with my ashes when I'm cremated, since my original plan of having them be baked into a cake and served at a party was deemed cruel by most of my friends.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Ravi on April 02, 2004, 10:45:21 AM
That gives me an idea.  At my funeral, Ravi cereal will be served.  Those courageous enough to ingest my remains will be rewarded with my powers.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Vile5 on April 02, 2004, 10:54:22 AM
i'd love to see this movie, i've watched interesting reviews by a German TVChanel, BUT i'm in Perú and i have to pray sooooo much to watch it someday in Lima (fuck)  :(
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: foray on April 09, 2004, 05:46:59 PM
I never thought a statue of Lenin could move me so much as it did (trying not to spoil it for you). What a great scene that was!

There were some added bits in the movie that seemed irrelevant, like when he and Lara went apartment scouting. That scene was only about glimpsing the old world, to me, and served little purpose. I noticed the paintings on the wall, though, of naked women (one Modigliani print even) and kept thinking about the naked women at the club after the Wall fell, openly displaying themselves as art.

foray
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: pete on April 09, 2004, 06:11:53 PM
yeah there were some great moments, if only the filmmakers trimmed more.  The Lenin statue was unforunately, revealed in the trailer.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 23, 2004, 01:44:30 PM
i am going to see this tonight, because it FINALLY came to Arizona. i'm excited because i really liked the trailer. i also have to review it for my school paper, so i'll post that when it's finished.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 24, 2004, 03:56:14 PM
MY REVIEW:

Goodbye, Lenin, Hello Masterpiece!

GRADE: A

NOW PLAYING AT: Harkins Camelview 5

The destruction of the Berlin Wall in 1989 was a historically significant event not just for the people of Germany, but also for much of the rest of the world. Aside from reuniting two vastly different political systems, this remarkable incident marked a turning point for the capitalist uprising occurring within many of the other socialist states. Filmmakers worldwide have since explored the causes and effects of the German Reunification, and even today, they continue to bring new insight and a fresh perspective to an event that occurred nearly fifteen years ago. Wolfgang Becker's GOOD BYE, LENIN! is among the most recent of such films, and probably among the best of them as well.

Rather than charging head-on at a specific political standing, GOOD BYE, LENIN! uses carefully controlled satire to poke fun at the absurdities of both communist and capitalist societies. And despite criticism from gung-ho supporters of either system, Becker is careful not to take sides or appear sympathetic toward any political institution. Instead of concentrating exclusively on the governmental changes of the newly reunified Germany, he wisely opts to narrow his focus on the effects that these changes have on one particular Berlin family. By doing this, Becker is able to show the challenges of adapting to a new, unfamiliar way of life in a context that is much more personal and easier for the viewer to identify with.

The humor in GOOD BYE, LENIN! is plentiful, and Becker takes advantage of every possible opportunity to fit in a comedic moment. Even during the most somber parts of the story, the film never lets go of its astute sense of humor; and because the humor is always thought-provoking and cleverly executed, it never feels forced or gratuitous. The running joke about Alex's unremitting quest for Spreewald pickle jars and the scene where Alex's bedridden mother is perplexed by the Coca-Cola banner hanging from the building across from hers' are brilliant examples of the movie's sharp, yet sensitive wit. Aside from just being funny in themselves, these bits work doubly well because of their uses of symbolism and metaphor. The Spreewald pickles, now impossible to find because of the fall of the GDR, are representative of the `good old days' when Alex was familiar with the ways of his country and when his mother was in good health. His almost frantic search for them shows his longing to return to the way things used to be. Likewise, the unfurling of the Coca-Cola banner is the perfect embodiment of all the capitalist changes occurring within the new Germany. Once you begin to see the Coca-Cola and Burger King logos, you know that capitalism has truly grabbed hold and that there is now no escaping its embrace, for better or for worse.

GOOD BYE, LENIN! makes great use of this type of imagery to emphasize the country's transformation and to provide insight to the emotions of the main characters. A most notable instance of this is the scene where Alex's mother, a staunch supporter of socialism, finally leaves her home to a very different East Germany than the one she remembered. She then looks to the sky and sees a helicopter airlifting a statue of Lenin off the top of a building. As Lenin is being hauled away, his outstretched arm seems to be reaching out to her, as if he's calling out for her to rescue him and his ideals, and restore her beloved country.

Alex's complex lies and meticulous attempts at preserving the past for his mother are innocent enough at first, but eventually they begin to take on a life of their own. The lengths he goes through to maintain the atmosphere of a bygone era and keep his mother happy are indeed funny, but they are also very tragic as well. Though the lies do work temporarily to keep his mother oblivious to the events outside of her apartment, they also plunge Alex and his family into such a deep pool of deception that they eventually lose their closeness with one another. The stress of keeping up the façade becomes unbearable for Alex, and at one point he even wishes his mother were dead.

Other humor was purely cultural, and probably only appreciable by people who have actually experienced the Reunification. I noticed this only because of the native German family sitting in front of me at the theater, laughing in unison at dialogue and images that didn't look to me like they were meant to be interpreted as humorous. But still, even though the older generations of German people are likely to get more out of this movie, it is still a hilarious, heartfelt, and incredibly rewarding experience for people of all cultures and ethnicities.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Chest Rockwell on April 24, 2004, 09:07:41 PM
Rather cool review, El Duderino. I should do that sorta thing for my highschool paper.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: mutinyco on April 24, 2004, 11:40:00 PM
I saw it back in January. Ghosty was right, the whole prolonged setup with his mother lost credibilty midway through. But at the same time, I could very much understand why Germans reacted the way they did to it.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: mutinyco on April 24, 2004, 11:41:36 PM
One thing, Duderino, you should RARELY give any film an A. 'A' should be reserved for Apocalypse Now or 2001 or Citizen Kane. A grade of a B might've been more appropriate.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: pete on April 24, 2004, 11:46:31 PM
Quote from: mutinycoI saw it back in January. Ghosty was right, the whole prolonged setup with his mother lost credibilty midway through. But at the same time, I could very much understand why Germans reacted the way they did to it.

now you should try to understand why Germans react the same way to David Hasselhoff.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 25, 2004, 12:17:45 AM
Quote from: Chest RockwellRather cool review, El Duderino. I should do that sorta thing for my highschool paper.

thanks man
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 25, 2004, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: mutinycoOne thing, Duderino, you should RARELY give any film an A. 'A' should be reserved for Apocalypse Now or 2001 or Citizen Kane. A grade of a B might've been more appropriate.

yeah, i know all about that shit, but i really thought it was a great movie that deserved an A
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: md on April 25, 2004, 12:27:13 AM
what would magnolia be?
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: mutinyco on April 25, 2004, 12:31:17 AM
Quote from: mdwhat would magnolia be?

C-

Makes Kill Bill seem coherent...
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 25, 2004, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: mdwhat would magnolia be?

an A
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Chest Rockwell on April 25, 2004, 05:34:06 AM
Well I think the point he's getting at is you're giving Goodbye, Lenin the same grade you're giving Magnolia. You're giving Goodbye, Lenin...the same grade...as Magnolia.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Spike on April 25, 2004, 05:43:24 AM
I've seen the movie in January 2003 when it came out here in Germany and I liked it a lot. But I was kinda dissapointed by the ending.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on April 25, 2004, 05:07:10 PM
Quote from: Chest RockwellWell I think the point he's getting at is you're giving Goodbye, Lenin the same grade you're giving Magnolia. You're giving Goodbye, Lenin...the same grade...as Magnolia.

fuck...you're right. alright, you've all convinced me. lenin gets a B
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: cine on May 17, 2004, 07:27:03 AM
Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment have also announced Goodbye, Lenin! which stars Daniel Brühl and Katrin Saß. The disc will be available to own from the 27th July this year, and should retail at around $29.95. As well as a 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen presentation, the disc will include a German Dolby Digital 5.1 track, an audio commentary with Director Wolfgang Becker, ten deleted scenes with director and editor introductions, two behind the scenes featurettes, uncut current camera broadcasts and bonus trailers.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: El Duderino on May 17, 2004, 07:50:32 PM
for those of you that are interested and/or have not heard of this film, the cool trailer is here (http://movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=goodbyelenin)
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Gold Trumpet on May 20, 2004, 09:49:10 PM
This was enjoyable. Unlike others here, as the masquerade played itself out, I only got more involved. At the beginning of the mother's re entrance into the world, I kept distance to the film emotionally cause I kept thinking at how gimmick the situation was. The nice lil environment of the characters and sincerity in what they tried to do moved me in the end. *Spoiler* When the mother at the end revealed her secret, I really was moved cause it was hitting emotional depths of the society in view of their own history and hiding of the things they know may be truthful, but figure to be the best thing to hide anyways. But, yet, light and airy mostly was this film.
Title: goodbye lenin!
Post by: Vile5 on August 23, 2004, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Vile5i'd love to see this movie, i've watched interesting reviews by a German TVChanel, BUT i'm in Perú and i have to pray sooooo much to watch it someday in Lima (fuck)  :(
i prayed and Buda, God, Ala or whoever listened to me!
a very nice movie i could watch it in the last Film Festival what is made in Lima every year, i enjoyed so much this film, really lovely to being German