in Film Comment it said that Gus Van Sant was looking at doing a film on Kurt Cobain, shot in the house where he killed himself.
anyone know any info on this?
:puppydogeyes: Goodness, why do people sweat that hack so much? (Cobain, that is)
Im still deciding on whether this idea is creepy and interested or disrespectful.
i think it sounds alright.
it'll be good, as long as they dig up his corpse and string him up weekend at bernie's style.
Quote from: Link:puppydogeyes: Goodness, why do people sweat that hack so much? (Cobain, that is)
I don't think I've ever disagreed more to any statement I've ever read.
Van Sant + Cobain = My, from this moment on, most anticipated movie in the works.
bigideas, wanna transcribe the article or comment?
I have little doubt that the movie has great potential (and Van Sant's pretty awesome, in my humble opinion), but I just don't see why people see this druggie mumble lyrics and play power chords, and think he's the Messiah.
But I suppose that's a conversation for another forum :wink:
(yes, I realize Lennon [my avatar] was a druggie too :oops: :wink: )
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(yes, I realize Lennon [my avatar] was a druggie too :oops: :wink: )
he also knew how to write beautiful songs, had an hypnotic, inimitable voice, was a Beatle , british, and most importantly , had a hot asian chick . :lol:
felt weird writing that...
Quote from: chuckhimselfo.had a hot asian chick .
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you're misquoting there , mister. Damn you emoticons!
Quote from: Pit'll be good, as long as they dig up his corpse and string him up weekend at bernie's style.
i love it when people have 'corpse' in their conversations. anyways, there's no way that they can shoot that movie in his house because it doesn't exist anymore. it was torn down after courtney and daughter moved out.
:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:
As a side note, Lennon rocks my hizzy (literally).
Quote from: Linkbut I just don't see why people see this druggie mumble lyrics and play power chords, and think he's the Messiah
Maybe not, but his music and voice conveys pain like no other musician I've ever heard. And when you're a teenager I guess that's all you need, something to sing along to when you're way down. I can understand people who dismiss Nirvana as druggie mumbling, but they touched me.
Agree with you on Lennon, though :)
When Nirvana was still intact...They were my favorite band...they could do no wrong. I was truly upset when Cobain died...Then several years older and wiser I watch the Documentary Kurt & Courtney...and I was dumbounded!...
Everyone in that doc sounded fucking retarted. Literally no substance to anything they said. Bunch of heroin addicts posing as artists....then the Cobain interviews....I just realized that the man wasnt full of much else either...people thinking they are deeper than they truly are...I dont know about anyone else...But that documentary made me lose alot of respect for Nirvana...it made everyone in the band and surrounding the band in Seattle to be complete morons.
That kinda tainted my view of him.
Quote from: PQuote from: chuckhimselfo.had a hot asian chick .
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Yeah, seriously, fuck...
Quote from: Satcho9When Nirvana was still intact...They were my favorite band...they could do no wrong. I was truly upset when Cobain died...Then several years older and wiser I watch the Documentary Kurt & Courtney...and I was dumbounded!...
Everyone in that doc sounded fucking retarted. Literally no substance to anything they said. Bunch of heroin addicts posing as artists....then the Cobain interviews....I just realized that the man wasnt full of much else either...people thinking they are deeper than they truly are...I dont know about anyone else...But that documentary made me lose alot of respect for Nirvana...it made everyone in the band and surrounding the band in Seattle to be complete morons.
That kinda tainted my view of him.
Maybe he was like that guy Gyllenhall in A Good Girl
Quote from: Satcho9When Nirvana was still intact...They were my favorite band...they could do no wrong. I was truly upset when Cobain died...Then several years older and wiser I watch the Documentary Kurt & Courtney...and I was dumbounded!...
Everyone in that doc sounded fucking retarted. Literally no substance to anything they said. Bunch of heroin addicts posing as artists....then the Cobain interviews....I just realized that the man wasnt full of much else either...people thinking they are deeper than they truly are...I dont know about anyone else...But that documentary made me lose alot of respect for Nirvana...it made everyone in the band and surrounding the band in Seattle to be complete morons.
That kinda tainted my view of him.
Excuse me, but what does any of that have to do with their music?
it wasn't an article, it was in the front and was just a sentence.....pretty much what i wrote
i listened to In Utero yesterday. that's a great album. i would have loved to hear the next album
Quote from: WithnailQuote from: Satcho9When Nirvana was still intact...They were my favorite band...they could do no wrong. I was truly upset when Cobain died...Then several years older and wiser I watch the Documentary Kurt & Courtney...and I was dumbounded!...
Everyone in that doc sounded fucking retarted. Literally no substance to anything they said. Bunch of heroin addicts posing as artists....then the Cobain interviews....I just realized that the man wasnt full of much else either...people thinking they are deeper than they truly are...I dont know about anyone else...But that documentary made me lose alot of respect for Nirvana...it made everyone in the band and surrounding the band in Seattle to be complete morons.
That kinda tainted my view of him.
Excuse me, but what does any of that have to do with their music?
Well...I really liked their music at the time...but...with time and age...the music has grown stale to me...I have moved on musically...Now...I am not bashing your affinity for them...I can completely respect that...but respect my opinion that I feel they are very transparent to me now.
Quote from: Satcho9Quote from: WithnailQuote from: Satcho9When Nirvana was still intact...They were my favorite band...they could do no wrong. I was truly upset when Cobain died...Then several years older and wiser I watch the Documentary Kurt & Courtney...and I was dumbounded!...
Everyone in that doc sounded fucking retarted. Literally no substance to anything they said. Bunch of heroin addicts posing as artists....then the Cobain interviews....I just realized that the man wasnt full of much else either...people thinking they are deeper than they truly are...I dont know about anyone else...But that documentary made me lose alot of respect for Nirvana...it made everyone in the band and surrounding the band in Seattle to be complete morons.
That kinda tainted my view of him.
Excuse me, but what does any of that have to do with their music?
Well...I really liked their music at the time...but...with time and age...the music has grown stale to me...I have moved on musically...Now...I am not bashing your affinity for them...I can completely respect that...but respect my opinion that I feel they are very transparent to me now.
I can understand that. I've got quite a few friends whose opinion on Nirvana is identical to yours.
Quote from: bigideasi would have loved to hear the next album
:cry:
Question:
Who do you think would play Cobain the best?
My vote: Johnny Depp
Just kidding, though I wouldn't doubt that he could pull it off.
I really can't think of anyone at the moment who looks the part and could pull it off.
Samuel L. Jackson.
Stephen Dorff maybe ...
"nirvana appeared on mtv's acoustic music show "unplugged". kurt was in great spirits, cracking jokes between songs and singing with a cathartic intensity worthy of the most highly charged arena show. he chose an unprecedented amount of covers and, revealingly, they were either about fame, death, or both. in the meat puppets' "plateau", there's little more than a bucket and a mop - more work - at the top. another meat puppets' tune, "lake of fire" pondered the fate of damned souls, while on davie bowie's "the man who sold the world" kurt intoned, "i thought you died alone a long, long time ago". "don't expect me to cry for all the reasons you had to die" he crooned on the gospel standard "jesus wants me for a sunbeam".
that was the last time i saw kurt cobain. he hugged me goodbye. a six-week european tour began in early february and ended with the overdose in rome on march 6. having survived a suicide attempt, kurt had to endure the abject misery of continuing to live a life he no longer wanted. the band returned home to seattle. on april 8 came the news.
a few days later, a seattle limo driver who had often squired kurt around town remarked, "nice young man. very quiet. but i guess he had a lot of hurtin' ". hurtin' occupied most of kurt's waking life. between stomach pain, chronic bronchitis, and scoliosis, even his own body was a hostile enviroment.
it wasn't like kurt didn't have a sense of humor about his own misery; on the release form he signed for this book, kurt listed his address as "hell on earth". like most suicides, kurt provided plenty of hints, virtually all of which were amply documented in the slew of media coverage after his death; a few more appear in this very book. in retrospect, those clues weren't cries for help, they were announcements.
much was made of the fact that kurt died at precisely the same age as joplin, hendrix and morrison, burt kurt didn't act out some hackneyed rock truism about living fast and dying young. when he said in his suicide note that "it's better to burn out than to fade away", it was his sarcastic way of showing that he knew full well how his death would look.
kurt was the first rock musician of his stature to take his own life so deliberately, rather than simply fritter it away through misadventure. a local seattle newscast that weekend called kurt "one of rock and roll's latest victims", but rock and roll never killed anybody. his suicide was a personal decision and it probably would happened anyway, fame or no fame, riches or no riches, talent or no talent. but to speculate on precisely why he did it is a pointless parlor game. although kurt was clinically depressed and suicide ran in his family, no one will ever really know why he did it.
in the wake of his death there was one image of kurt that refused to leave my mind. it was from the reading festival back in the summer of 1992. still wearing the full-length doctor's smock he'd worn during the show, kurt walked off stage, hand in hand with a little boy who it turned out had terminal cancer and had wangled his way backstage. kurt slowly descended the stairs from the stage as a lone kleigl light beamed down on him. all in white, his blond hair gleaming, he looked just like an angel, the boy a cherub. there was a horde of people all around kurt, but somehow the light never hit them. no one made a sound. it was very quiet, especially after the thunderous noise of the show. the crowd followed him down an alleyway made by the backstage tents and then he turned a corner, still hand in hand with the little boy, and was gone."
from the book "come as you are" by michael azerrad
Quote from: LinkQuestion:
Who do you think would play Cobain the best?
Answer..:
Mr. Bean......
Quote from: LinkQuestion: Who do you think would play Cobain the best?
Actually, if Ewan McGregor for once got his american accent right, I think he would be spot on. I know there are some photos of him where you honestly can't tell if it's Kurt or Ewan. I'll see if I can find them.
Edit:
Didn't find the exact images, but a few good substitutes:
ImagesPut some long blonde hair on this one, and they're nearly identical if you ask me:
http://www.ewanspotting.com/multimedia/gallery/ukelle13.jpg
Same with this one:
http://www.ewanspotting.com/multimedia/gallery/arena3.jpg
Heck, if you search for Kurt Cobain images on google, theres a dead link to a picture called "ewanaskurt" on page 11, so I'm not crazy in seeing the resemblance. Anyone care to photoshop some hair on those images?
Two more:
http://www.ewanspotting.com/multimedia/gallery/oceandrive5.jpg
Compare it to:
http://geocities.com/nirvana10212/k59.jpg
And don't forget Ewan has played both heroin addicts and rock stars before.
I think he's too old now, but he would have been absolutely perfect five or six years ago.
I'd vote for an uknown. If I ever get to make my Nirvana movie, that's the way I'd like to go.
how bout Jared Leto?
you have to admit that cobain must have done something right if a bunch of people consider him great while a bunch of others consider him a hack. many good artists have split audiences/ critics down the middle like that
I think with long hair Ewan could still do it. His role in Velvet Goldmine confirms his uncanny resemblance to Cobain. I don't agree with doing a movie about Cobain though. I don't even agree with Van Sant doing it. Van Sant's Elephant, a film I dearly loved, is also very reactionary. I think given the enormous split over Cobain's suicide Van Sant would take the low road.
I don't really like the idea of a Cobain movie either (I dunno, what're they gonna show that we haven't seen before?), but if someone has to do a movie about something/someone controversial, I think Van Sant's a good choice, ESPECIALLY because of Elephant. Elephant shows that Van Sant can take an unbiased, uncompromising look at something, without even attempting to give an explanation. I think that's what this project would need.
And even though I consider Cobain to be a hack, I can acknowledge the fact that he did have quite an impact (love/hate sort of thing), so I gotta respect that.
As for who to play him, I would actually prefer a star rather than an unknown. Why? I'm not sure. For this sort of movie, I not only wanna see someone play Cobain well, I wanna see someone TRANSFORM to play Cobain. I think bio-pics are ideal for that, and if you don't know the actor, how do you know how much he transformed? I dunno, it's just fun to see that.
As for Ewan, I think he could pimp it. I don't think he's too old (yeah, it'd be better if he were younger, but still).
Whenever I think of Gus Van Sant, I think about that scene in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back when he is counting his money and tells Affleck & Damon he is "busy".
Check this out (http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=23168)
Doesn't seem like it'll be based purely off Cobain :( Shame, that.
Quote from: That articleThe film will be a fictional account of the final days of a suicidal rock star. Given Van Sant's Northwest roots, it might seem natural to conclude that the story will be framed around the life of former Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain. However, Dawnn Pavonnis, office manager of Pie Films, the Portland-based production company formed by Van Sant and producer Dany Wolf, points out that "a lot of rock stars have committed suicide."
sounds like we're avoiding a lawsuit...
that or it's like "this is about Cobain the same way Elephant was about Columbine"
aw that Gus Van Sant sure is different.
Quote from: RegularKaratethat or it's like "this is about Cobain the same way Elephant was about Columbine"
Which worked well enough for Elephant, but I just want a Cobain movie, damnit! I want some Nirvana music in a movie about Kurt, and Van Sant is perfect for the gig.
Nirvana is SO 20th Century. :roll:
Quote from: Duck SauceIm still deciding on whether this idea is creepy and interested or disrespectful.
ya, like i can see it could be very respectful to Kurt Cobain because his music really change how i look at things, but i also see people getting all mad because it could be disrespectful. but it will be intresting. i know that for sure.
peace
Even though I don't like Cobain, I think it's lame that they're doing it as a sort of generic rock star. Though, again, it worked for Elephant, so who knows?
Now I'm wishing I lived in Portland!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/brief_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000458169
Film 'to be made of Cobain life'
Source: BBC News
A TV movie based on the life of late Nirvana singer Kurt Cobain is to be made in the US, it has been reported.
The film will be based on the unauthorised 2001 biography Heavier Than Heaven, by Charles Cross, US industry paper Hollywood Reporter said.
A script for the film has been commissioned, and it could be aired as early as next year, it is reported.
Cobain, the singer and guitarist of Nirvana, was found dead from self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 1994.
"The day Kurt Cobain died was the day the music died for a generation," said senior VP original movies Tana Nugent Jamieson at The WB cable network. "His story is perfect for our audience."
Nirvana's rise
The movie, which is being scripted by Robert Munic, does not yet have a director involved.
It will chart the story of Cobain's life growing up in the logging town of Aberdeen in Washington in the north-west of the US, and his parent's divorce, which was a catalyst for his angry songwriting.
It will also chart the rise of Nirvana, the grunge band Cobain took from obscurity to worldwide fame after the release of their 1991 breakthrough album Nevermind.
It will also deal with the singer's troubled relationship with his wife Courtney Love, the singer in punk-rock band Hole.
"The storytelling will have a nonlinear style, flashing to different parts of his life out of chronological order," Mr Munic told Hollywood Reporter.
The announcement comes days after the 10th anniversary of Cobain's death.
It also follows reports director Gus Van Sant was planning to shoot a film about a fictional grunge band whose singer was to be modelled on Cobain.
Goddamn it!
Oh well, it'll suck because they probably won't get the rights to any of the music, unless Courtney is really hard up for cash right now.
Quote from: GhostboyGoddamn it!
Oh well, it'll suck because they probably won't get the rights to any of the music, unless Courtney is really hard up for cash right now.
or stoned.
Quote from: MacGuffinFilm 'to be made of Cobain life'...The WB cable network. "His story is perfect for our audience."
Anyway, the Van Sant project sounds exciting. Michael Pitt.