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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: Finn on January 14, 2004, 09:20:17 PM

Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Finn on January 14, 2004, 09:20:17 PM
This sequence in Boogie Nights just keeps going through my head. I love how PTA uses an extended version of Clementine's Loop and how the sequence goes back and forth between the violent events. It then goes to the donut shop scene which is just great as well. I always thought that it was funny that PTA would have something O Little Town of Bethlahem playing in the background while violence is occuring and people are getting killed. I guess it's just the irony of the situation. But it's like John C. Reilly said, "You know the characters are in trouble when there's a Christmas tree with lights on it in a P.T. Anderson movie".
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Alethia on January 14, 2004, 10:28:06 PM
it's the most uncomfortable section of the film.


good thing....
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Finn on March 06, 2004, 08:14:34 PM
Does anybody have a picture or screen cap of The Long Way Down (One Last Thing) as it comes on screen?
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: kassius on March 14, 2004, 08:26:38 PM
I don't know what's more nuts... that you want a screen cap of nothing more then a black screen and white text or that I took the time to play the "Boogie Nights" DVD on my computer and made a screencap.  

Enjoy.  8)

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Eckad79%2Fcap875.bmp&hash=d4d4cb0e7feb3cc4c6d3b3fc2962e12af433fff2)
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: socketlevel on March 14, 2004, 08:40:52 PM
i'd say that you did it.

but then, you're really nice for it.

-sl-
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Finn on March 16, 2004, 07:57:07 AM
Thanks :wink:
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: kassius on March 18, 2004, 09:51:26 PM
I know I'm a sucker.

Quote from: socketleveli'd say that you did it.

but then, you're really nice for it.

-sl-
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Duck Sauce on March 19, 2004, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: ckad79
Enjoy.  8)
 


Bon Apetite
Title: Donut Scene
Post by: Drencrom on March 23, 2004, 01:46:02 PM
Concerning the sequence in general--I recall watching the donut scene for the first time, and being positively aware of a sense of doom, dread, and general discomfort. I believe the sheer inevitability of tragedy as our erstwhile cowboy picks out pastries to be a unique accomplishment. Tough sequence to watch, given our investment in the characters. Who wants to watch your family finally have to pay up for its transgressions?

Few scores can do that, and Clementine's Loop is without question an effective little piece of programming. Much like the piano riff from Eyes Wide Shut, it has an immediate and biological impact.
Title: Re: Donut Scene
Post by: ono on March 23, 2004, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Drencromerstwhile
Nice observations.  You don't get a lot of "erstwhile" these days.  Welcome to the site and stuff.
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 23, 2004, 05:47:26 PM
When I first watched Boogie Nights, I couldn't get that sequence out of my mind. It really blew my mind as it showed how decadent the lifes of those characters were at that point. Rollergirl beating up the guy with the rollerskates and and... just brutal. And I couldn't get Clementine's Loop out of my mind (although I had no ideal about what Clementine's Loop was at that point). Great stuff...

... HOWEVER, not wanting to be picky, doesn't the Long Way Down (One Last Thing) come AFTER the Clementine's Loop brutallity situation with the assault on Rahad's house? I got confused now.  :?
Title: Paying Up
Post by: Drencrom on March 24, 2004, 02:20:39 AM
PT has some interesting comments concerning this on the commentary track, which I suspect most of us have heard at least once. As I recall, he raises the question of why he feels the need to punish his characters. It's clear he loves them, and wants them to achieve happiness by the time credits roll, but they're going to have to pay some dues before this is all said and done. Hence, One Last Thing, a dark cinematic purgatory where paths converge, guns fire, and the soundtrack suddenly isn't so danceable.

Paying karmic dues seems to be a running theme through his films, and Sydney in particular grew from that idea alone--take a classic gangster character from a 30s genre picture, age him a whole lot, and say: 'You know what motherfucker? Some day you're going to have to pay for what you've done. In one way or another.' The Sydney commentary track(s) go into this characteristic as well.
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Stefen on March 24, 2004, 02:28:43 AM
^^^^ this guy just said more in one minute than I have my whole time here. WELCOME!
Title: Re: Paying Up
Post by: kotte on March 24, 2004, 02:31:26 AM
Quote from: DrencromPaying karmic dues seems to be a running theme through his films, and Sydney in particular grew from that idea alone--take a classic gangster character from a 30s genre picture, age him a whole lot, and say: 'You know what motherfucker? Some day you're going to have to pay for what you've done. In one way or another.'

I like this... :)
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: cine on March 24, 2004, 03:04:10 AM
I never met an Egyptian PTA fan I didn't like.

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Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Drencrom on March 24, 2004, 01:18:43 PM
Additionally, I always liked the title card itself. Here, our host is aware his audience is going through an emotional wringer, and the chapter head simultaneously preps us for bad times, and lets us know the clouds will clear soon enough--there's just one final bill to reconcile. The preceding 2 hours of coke-sniffing, pool-diving, vette-buying, butterfly collar-wearing indulgence is going to ring up a mighty tab that, like the young prophet says before a rainstorm, "gots to get paid though, gots to get paid."

It's reassuring when an auteur cares about his characters as much as you do, and a title card like that tips you off.
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: Alethia on March 24, 2004, 02:07:56 PM
i like you
Title: The Long Way Down (One Last Thing)
Post by: subversiveproductions on March 24, 2004, 04:13:42 PM
wow, you are awesome Drencrom, honestly.