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Title: Secret Window
Post by: MacGuffin on January 13, 2004, 03:22:15 PM
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Trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/secret_window/)

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Release Date: April 23rd, 2004 (wide)

Cast: Johnny Depp (Mort Rainey), John Turturro (John Shooter), Maria Bello (Amy Dowd Rainey), Charles S. Dutton, Timothy Hutton.

Director: David Koepp (Stir of Echoes, The Trigger Effect)

Screenwriter: David Koepp (Spider-Man, Panic Room, Stir of Echoes, Snake Eyes, Carlito's Way)

Based Upon: This movie is based upon the novella 'Secret Window, Secret Garden' by Stephen King, which originally appeared as the second story in his anthology of four novellas appropriately titled 'Four Past Midnight.' The first novella in that book, The Langoliers, has already been adapted as a 1995 made-for-TV movie. The other two novellas are 'The Library Policeman' and 'The Sun Dog.' This story has also since been published separately as 'Two Past Midnight: Secret Window, Secret Garden.' None of this should be confused with 'Secret Windows,' an anthology of essays also written by Stephen King.

Premise: Mort Rainey (Depp), a writer just coming off of a troublesome divorce with his ex-wife, Amy (Bello), finds himself stalked at his remote lake house by a psychotic stranger (Turturro) who claims Mort stole his best story idea (changing just the ending)... (Hutton plays Bello's new boyfriend; Dutton plays a private investigator hired to make Turturro's character leave Mort alone.)
Title: Secret Window
Post by: godardian on January 13, 2004, 04:07:19 PM
I've heard Stir of Echoes is much better than it looks and worth giving a try. True? False?
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 13, 2004, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: godardianI've heard Stir of Echoes is much better than it looks and worth giving a try. True? False?

True. It came out at the wrong time and gathered comparisons to "Sixth Sense" which is why it was written off and poorly recieved, but it's a very effective thriller in it's own right.
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Post by: Gloria on January 13, 2004, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: godardianI've heard Stir of Echoes is much better than it looks and worth giving a try. True? False?

I thought it was forgettable. Illeana Douglas's character and performance were the best part of the movie. I guess it was like a watered down Sixth Sense to me. I agree it came out at the wrong time, but I still found it so-so.

Secret Window looks like it could be promising, though.  I'll see it for Johnny Depp and John Turturro, if anything.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 13, 2004, 04:45:23 PM
Stir of Echoes is a good thriller, though not extremely original (even putting The Sixth Sense aside). Kevin Bacon's paranoia is a little over-the-top.
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Post by: Pedro on January 13, 2004, 04:58:09 PM
trailer has some pretty cool shots in it...that voice over made me laugh, though.
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Post by: Pozer on January 17, 2004, 08:35:49 PM
looks good to me
yeah, that cheezy straight to video voice over guy. terrible.
when the hell does J Depp's NEVERLAND come out?
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2004, 01:07:37 AM
Sony Opens Depp's Secret Window Early
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Sony Pictures is releasing the Johnny Depp thriller Secret Window six weeks earlier than originally planned. The film, based on a novella by Stephen King, is moving from an April 23 release date to March 12.

Jeff Blake, vice chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment and president of worldwide marketing and distribution, said "we just had our first screening of the film, and it went great; Johnny Depp is terrific in this film. 'Secret Window' should be finished and ready to go for a March 12 release date, which looks like a very good slot."

Written and directed by David Koepp, Secret Window is about a writer (Depp) going through a painful divorce, who is stalked by a psychotic stranger (John Turturro) who claims the writer stole his story. To force the writer to make amends, the stranger will go to any lengths, including murder. Maria Bello, Ving Rhames and Timothy Hutton also star.

Sony will kick-off the media campaign for the film on February 1 with a spot during Super Bowl XXXVIII.
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Post by: Ghostboy on January 22, 2004, 02:02:38 AM
Quote from: poserisms
when the hell does J Depp's NEVERLAND come out?

I was just thinking about that today. It's been finished for a while, but the distributor is holding off on it until sometime this year. I imagine it'll show up at Toronto come September.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on January 22, 2004, 10:46:13 AM
this movie is laughable -- complete shit. end of story.
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Post by: Pedro on January 22, 2004, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtisthis movie is laughable -- complete shit. end of story.
have you seen it?
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 10, 2004, 10:44:32 AM
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Post by: Pozer on February 10, 2004, 08:17:05 PM
throw a cig in his mouth and you've got the cover for The Ninth Gate
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Post by: Sanjuro on February 11, 2004, 08:41:06 AM
when i saw "Secret Window" in the topic... i thought Secret window, secret garden? you gotta be shittin me... turns out

i remember a few years back i wanted so much to make this a short film coz it was a story i knew and liked pretty well back then...
i even tried writing a script but  after a few lines, i was like, 'shit i cant write, ill just stick to watching films first'
now its a major motion picture... how weird is that?

ill be excited to see it just to see how it compares to how i pictured it in my mind heheh
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Post by: Henry Hill on February 16, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
I love Johnny Depp and John Turturro, but I don't know. I think I will wait until you guys see it and let me know if it's worth seeing. It just seems to me like it could hit or miss, as Stephen King adaptations usually do.  It wasn't on my list to see, but maybe I will if the consensus is positive.
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Post by: BonBon85 on March 07, 2004, 10:10:36 AM
I saw it last night and I don't recommend it. Sometimes it was mildly entertaining in a "this is so bad why did these actors agree to it" kind of way. It was predictable, and there was so much build up and hype for the ending, but the ending is really terrible.
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Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 07, 2004, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: BonBon85I saw it last night and I don't recommend it. Sometimes it was mildly entertaining in a "this is so bad why did these actors agree to it" kind of way. It was predictable, and there was so much build up and hype for the ending, but the ending is really terrible.

That confirms my suspicions: it is The Ninth Gate Redux.
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Post by: modage on March 07, 2004, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: BonBon85I saw it last night and I don't recommend it. Sometimes it was mildly entertaining in a "this is so bad why did these actors agree to it" kind of way. It was predictable, and there was so much build up and hype for the ending, but the ending is really terrible.

That confirms my suspicions: it is The Ninth Gate Redux.
hah, yeah.  would you think me wicked if i said i actually enjoyed the ninth gate?  which was sort of a rosemarys baby: redux (without the baby, but with all the creepy suspicious people and unsettling tone).  let this be a lesson to all those who expect a good movie before april; they are few and far between.  a rare bird, an endangered species...
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Post by: billybrown on March 10, 2004, 11:38:14 PM
I just caught an advanced screening of this on Monday and overall, I had to say I enjoyed it very much. Having not read the Stephen King story it was based on, the trailer / tv spots lead me to believe it was an intense psychological horror / drama type vehicle, and while it did have some moments of that, on the whole it was very much the black comedy, and on that level, it worked quite well. With Pirates, Once Upon A Time In Mexico, and now this, you can clearly see Johnny Depp having lots of fun with his roles and amusing himself, and it's quite a treat watching him work like this.
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Post by: Banky on March 12, 2004, 10:23:17 PM
my criticism would give away the ending of this movie so......................
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Post by: artfag on March 13, 2004, 08:36:30 PM
*ALTHOUGH THE ADMIN EDITING THIS POST HASN'T SEEN IT YET, HE READ THIS REVIEW AND IS ASSUMING IT IS A SPOILER AND IS PRETTY PISSED ABOUT NOW KNOWING THE 'SECRET' OF THE FILM.*










Hey, I have a great idea.  Let's make a movie like no other.  Let's have the main character have a multiple personality.  Oh wait, a hundred other f*cking people already did that!!!!!  What a piece of crap.
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Post by: billybrown on March 14, 2004, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: Pictures are Pals *ALTHOUGH THE ADMIN EDITING THIS POST HASN'T SEEN IT YET, HE READ THIS REVIEW AND IS ASSUMING IT IS A SPOILER AND IS PRETTY PISSED ABOUT NOW KNOWING THE 'SECRET' OF THE FILM.*










Hey, I have a great idea.  Let's make a movie like no other.  Let's have the main character have a multiple personality.  Oh wait, a hundred other f*cking people already did that!!!!!  What a piece of crap.

You are brilliant. And witty too. I don't know what was more dickhead on your part, the movie spoiler or your weak and amateur sarcasm. Somebody stick Mush in the bathroom.
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Post by: artfag on March 14, 2004, 09:52:14 AM
*SPOILERS....ONCE AGAIN*





New to the forum, apologies for the spoiler thing, but you have to admit, after seeing movies like Primal Fear and later Identity, the days of the multiple personality should end.  My sarcasm in this matter is heartfelt.  I really think the film was both predictable and typical.  

I do think that Johnny Depp was very funny in this film, but didn't perform well enought to carry the film on his shoulders as some actors do.  I respect your opinion on this film, but do not and will not agree with it.  From now, I will not post spoilers without marking them accordingly.  Sorry again.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 14, 2004, 11:51:39 AM
Okay, seriously...getting pretty pissed off. It doesn't matter to me now, the movie and any suspense or surprise is ruined for me, but, in the future, for the benefit of others not wanting to know anything about the film going in (and this really goes for any film, new or old, noted), everytime you mention a twist or what the concept of the movie is or the ending, please please please put a SPOILER warning above before your post/review/opinion. Thank you.
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 14, 2004, 04:48:57 PM
i'm glad it was ruined. i would've hated to sit through that.
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Post by: billybrown on March 14, 2004, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: Pictures are Pals*SPOILERS....ONCE AGAIN*





New to the forum, apologies for the spoiler thing, but you have to admit, after seeing movies like Primal Fear and later Identity, the days of the multiple personality should end.  My sarcasm in this matter is heartfelt.  I really think the film was both predictable and typical.  

I do think that Johnny Depp was very funny in this film, but didn't perform well enought to carry the film on his shoulders as some actors do.  I respect your opinion on this film, but do not and will not agree with it.  From now, I will not post spoilers without marking them accordingly.  Sorry again.

Your opinion of the film really isn't the point of contention here, as that was an opinion and we are all entitled to one. The numb nut play on your part was the ruining of the film for others who may want to see it, by your sarcasm of the genre in general. You don't need to be a veteran of a message board to figure out that giving away pertinent details of a film that most people haven't seen is just a classless stunt. And besides, every genre of film has been done and killed by Hollywood, so really, who cares? If originality was a pre-requisite for a film being released, we'd see about five a year. By no means was I saying this was a brilliant film, but IMO Johnny Depp's performance is well worth the price of admission, and in that regard I would recommend it as some fun, mindless entertainment. Ah well, cest la vie.
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Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 15, 2004, 09:09:30 AM
I just saw this yesterday, and I kinda liked it. Sure it won't be a classic or anything, but it gave me some cheap thrills and good laughs. About all I really expected from it.
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Post by: Finn on March 16, 2004, 09:35:44 AM
I really didn't like this movie at all. It's wildly uneven with too much silliness to be considered scary or...thrilling. Plus, the ending made no sense at all.
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Post by: billybrown on March 16, 2004, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: QuoyleI really didn't like this movie at all. It's wildly uneven with too much silliness to be considered scary or...thrilling. Plus, the ending made no sense at all.

I think if you watch the film in it's proper context - a black comedy - it's just fine.
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Post by: modage on March 16, 2004, 11:15:19 AM
haha, johnny depp turns every movie into a black comedy.  he needs to quit being so goddamn funny!
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Post by: billybrown on March 16, 2004, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: themodernage02haha, johnny depp turns every movie into a black comedy.  he needs to quit being so goddamn funny!

Is that cheap sarcasm?
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Post by: modage on March 16, 2004, 03:59:08 PM
no, i'm serious.  he's so funny he turns every role into something funny, sometimes even when the movie didnt really have intentions to do so.
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Post by: Banky on March 16, 2004, 07:14:41 PM
http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html

go listen to what Roper has to say about the ending, if you have seen this movie you would know that he could not be more absoloutley wrong
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Post by: Recce on March 16, 2004, 09:42:23 PM
***Spoiler***

Saw it last weekend. I liked it. I agree with what someone said earlier that if you go in thinking of it as a black comedy, then you'll be fine. We generally consider ourselves connaisseurs of film, so we usually take it so seriously, but I enjoyed sort of letting go and indulging in Depps funnyness. Yes, Depp is a funny person, but he is in such a casual way that its cool. Every time I see a movie he's in, I feel like getting to know him personally cause he's so damned cool. Its as if he's himself on the screen, as opposed to an actor playing someone (which, granted, is probably cause directors cast him in those kinds of roles cause he does it so well). I don't think this film would have made it if it had been played by anyone else, cause not many actors could pull off entertaining an audience with so little that happens for a big chunk of it. Most of the time, its him talking to himself. With anyone else, it would have been weird and awkward, with Depp, it works.
As far as the ending, yes it was disappointing. About half-way through, I turned to my friend and said 'This is going good, I hope its not a split personality thing' (Yes, I'm one of those annoying people who tends to talk during movies, but only in those types of circumstances). It left me with a bit of an unsavory flavor in my mouth for a few minutes, but then I realized that I still thoroughly enjoyed it. Depp's character was so enjoyable even though he was being funny in a thriller, why shouldn't the ending be judged in the same way? Plus, it was done in a pretty cool way. The backward reflection in the mirror thing was pretty cool. And the eating the corn thing in the end was so blatantly poking fun at itself that it made you feel like you were in on some filmmaker inside joke, even though everyone got it (I hope). So you come out feeling 'special' and all tingly. That's just good entertainment.
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Post by: nix on March 17, 2004, 08:48:10 AM
Here's how the experience of this film went for me:

Loved the pre credits scene. Thought the complicated shot after the credits was cool, but that's when I first suspected the twist. As the film went on,  they gave it away so blatantly that I actually dismissed it as a possibility and enjoyed the majority of the movie. Depp's performace was great as always, I think he does carry the picture.

The ending really pissed me off. Not enough to ruin the whole film, but close.
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Post by: artfag on March 17, 2004, 02:12:07 PM
Good Call Banky
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Post by: Ghostboy on March 20, 2004, 11:54:14 PM
Yeah, even if the ending hadn't been spoiled for me here, I would have figured it out. Reminded me kinda of Identity in that regard. But it was funny and entertaining enough, for the obvious reasons. The pre-credit scene in the hotel was the only one that was remotely scary.

Its elaborate trick shots and over-the-top twist also reminded me of What Lies Beneath, but that one went so far over the top that it ended up being a whole lot more fun.
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Post by: cine on March 21, 2004, 03:40:32 PM
*SPOILERS*

Just saw this and enjoyed it very much. Its a real shame that the ending was ruined for a couple people as it was a nice twist. I really don't care for PaP's bitch rant because I was still satisfied with the film as a whole as the film credits rolled. As for what Banky said about Roeper, I'm not sure why he's wrong. The ending wasn't conventional. It's not like Depp had a big fight with Hutton or there was unnecessary suspense with whether he'd kill the two of them or not. The sheriff didn't show up and start shooting. So I don't see how Roeper was wrong in saying that "all the usual cliches are avoided." Perfectly acceptable of him to say that. Having said that, yes, this was a very good movie. The filmmaking was very well done and I think it was more thrilling than Stir of Echoes (which I really liked when it was released). It's worth seeing even if you know what's going to happen but if you find the movie predictable well then maybe it's just because you know Stephen King very well. And if that happens to be the case, clearly it's not as predictable as you're leading people to believe.
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Post by: El Duderino on March 21, 2004, 03:59:31 PM
look, braces!
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 20, 2004, 12:20:45 AM
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Secret Window, which stars Johnny Depp, will be available to own from the 22nd June this year, and should retail at around $28.95. As well as a 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen transfer and Dolby Digital 5.1 track, the disc will include an audio commentary by Director David Koepp, a three part making of documentary, animated storyboards and four deleted scenes.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on April 20, 2004, 08:19:40 AM
Pssh... what a lousy tagline.

...it should say, "Some windows should be left secret"
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Post by: cine on April 20, 2004, 08:23:25 AM
I sort of prefer: "Windows These Days, I Tell Ya... When Will They Learn?"
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Post by: cron on April 20, 2004, 08:26:59 AM
Wow. It is A lousy tagline. Hopefuly, architects will sue the studio.
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Post by: modage on April 20, 2004, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: cronopio l'inrockuptibleWow. It is A lousy tagline. Hopefuly, architects will sue the studio.
haha.  i think the cover is well done except for the fact they should have made his face, you know, BIGGER.  like, so you dont even have to go into blockbuster to know that johnny depp is in that movie.  so that, like, you can see who's in the film from across the street at the grocery store through the window into blockbuster and on the shelf.  or maybe they should've just skipped the synopsis and just continued his face on the back of the box.
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Post by: Bethie on April 20, 2004, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
i think the cover is well done except for the fact they should have made his face, you know, BIGGER.  like, so you dont even have to go into blockbuster to know that johnny depp is in that movie.  so that, like, you can see who's in the film from across the street at the grocery store through the window into blockbuster and on the shelf.  or maybe they should've just skipped the synopsis and just continued his face on the back of the box.


Don't knock the Johnny. His face could be on every single film ever made and this girl wouldn't mind.
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Post by: Ravi on May 23, 2004, 12:37:49 AM
Count me as another person who found the ending to be predictable.  I liked Depp's performance and the corn scene.
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Post by: MacGuffin on July 01, 2004, 10:13:37 PM
It's hard for me to give an honest review since the ending was completely ruined for me by this thread. So while I might have found myself fooled by some of the scenes, it was more an exercise in seeing if the film lived up to a repeat viewing and how well the 'plants' of twists worked. While Depp is obviously the main reason to watch the film (he creates full, rounded characters), I really didn't find the film mysterious or suspenseful, and the big twist felt uneventful in it's revelation. Since it was based on a King novella, I could really feel the script expanded to fit a feature length film. There are some great elements here that could have been expanded upon to make for a fuller story/script (Koepp's screenplays seem to always be that way for me); the whole divorce felt more plot device than working with the character's motivations, as it should have.