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Creative Corner => Filmmakers' Workshop => Topic started by: rustinglass on December 15, 2003, 12:56:45 PM

Title: Beta
Post by: rustinglass on December 15, 2003, 12:56:45 PM
My friend has an old working beta camcorder. I'm gonna make a film with it! I'm pretty sure I can edit it betamax to vcr.
Can anybody tell me advantages and disadvantages of working with this system... or is it basically the same as vhs?
Title: Beta
Post by: SoNowThen on December 15, 2003, 12:59:00 PM
way better quality than vhs

(I edited 3/4 decks once in film school -- a nightmare, that)
Title: Beta
Post by: Raikus on December 15, 2003, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenway better quality than vhs

(I edited 3/4 decks once in film school -- a nightmare, that)
Heh, welcome to my life. We have DVC Pro that we normally edit on, but we have a client that ONLY wants segments and shows editted in 3/4. So on some of my days I get carpal tunnel from shuttling the inputs.
Title: Beta
Post by: rustinglass on December 15, 2003, 01:54:16 PM
do I need some special considerations? Do I make the lighting the same as if I was using my hi-8?
Title: Beta
Post by: SoNowThen on December 15, 2003, 01:59:16 PM
in theory it should have greater definition of color and lighting contrast than hi-8...
Title: Beta
Post by: Ghostboy on December 15, 2003, 07:34:04 PM
It's a professional format, and is certainly much better than VHS, and depending on the camera, possibly even better than many miniDV cameras. Do you know what model it is?
Title: Beta
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on December 16, 2003, 05:27:18 PM
Beta... hrm... as in old-school Beta?  Or Digi-Beta?  When was the camera made?  Technically, the old-school Beta is better than VHS, and about the same as Hi-8... it'd be an interesting experiment to see how good it looks!
Title: Beta
Post by: rustinglass on December 17, 2003, 05:51:13 AM
It's a relic. it hasn't been used for 3 years but then it worked fine and it had not worked for 10 years before that (I hope I was clear).it's been kept in good conditions so I don't think there's a problem with dust or anything.
I know a store that still sells beta tapes, so I'm gonna buy one and try it  out.
Title: Beta
Post by: mutinyco on December 18, 2003, 09:52:21 PM
Beta! Rock on! Another example of human stupidity. They were out at the same time as VHS, and everybody knew they had better quality. But they cost a little more. So everybody opted for VHS.
Title: Beta
Post by: rustinglass on January 23, 2004, 11:04:42 AM
It's this camera: http://www.palsite.com/bmc100ovi.html
It still works! I shot a few minutes on it yesterday, the quality is very poor with a lot of grain and there was a black dot in the middle of the picture when I played the tape, must be a dirty head because I wiped the lenses. But the sound is good, and considering that it was abandoned for thirteen years, it's one hell of a good camera.
I'm going to make a documentary about my friend's (the owner) rock band. The quality is shit but I don't care.
hopefully the tape itself will clean the head as it rolls so I can get a better picture.
Title: Beta
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on January 29, 2004, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: rustinglassIt's this camera: http://www.palsite.com/bmc100ovi.html
It still works! I shot a few minutes on it yesterday, the quality is very poor with a lot of grain and there was a black dot in the middle of the picture when I played the tape, must be a dirty head because I wiped the lenses. But the sound is good, and considering that it was abandoned for thirteen years, it's one hell of a good camera.
I'm going to make a documentary about my friend's (the owner) rock band. The quality is shit but I don't care.
hopefully the tape itself will clean the head as it rolls so I can get a better picture.

You can still find head cleaners for Beta cameras.  I reccommend this... the overall picture quality might improve as well.
Title: Beta
Post by: rustinglass on February 13, 2004, 11:50:05 AM
I haven't started shooting yet. They (the band) are still completing their drum set (cash problems). I thought it would be silly to make a documentary about them if they still don't have all their instruments.
I looked for some assistance at my school's audiovisual club, they said i could edit it there but i have to bring the betamax to school because they don't have any.
I'm going to use a dusty Panasonic Digital AV Mixer WJ-AVE7. I never worked with a simular thing before, they have misplaced the user's manual and the lady in chage is a total iliterate when it comes to film technology, so I'm flying solo on that one. PLEASE HELP ME!  the only thing I found on the internet was this (http://vjcentral.com/hardware/show/360), can anyone point me to a manual? what the hell is luma?

Is it alright if I keep this thread as a sort of diary for this project? Its my first filmaking experience and I need all the help I can get.

On another note: I've been going to that school for 3 years and never did it crooss my mind what an amazing video collection it has, I mean great films! fellini, antonioni, kurosawa.... The lady is kind enough to copy them for me because they can't leave the school, so I'm buying a shitload of blank tapes! Getting la strada, la dolce vita and rosetta on monday!
Title: Beta
Post by: metroshane on February 14, 2004, 06:35:12 PM
QuoteI thought it would be silly to make a documentary about them if they still don't have all their instruments.

Are  you kidding?  That's just what would make a great documentary.  That's real life man.  I'd much rather see that kind of documentary than than the blah blu blah blah blah.
Title: Beta
Post by: Cecil on March 06, 2004, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: metroshaneI'd much rather see that kind of documentary than than the blah blu blah blah blah.

yes, rule of thumb: always avoid the word "blu" when when making a documentary
Title: Beta
Post by: kotte on February 02, 2005, 10:51:40 AM
So anyone know what kind of computer it takes to edit full resolution DigiBeta material?