Man, this movie is creepy. Just watched it last night and forgot how intense it was. I always wonder what will happen to Mills after it's all over. How many of Doe's crazed followers do you think will try to kill him?
a.) i'm guessing he'll go to jail or a mental institution (like in the script for the sequel)
b.) i doubt doe has many followers
c.) even if doe did have followers, they wouldn't have any reason to kill mills, they would probably appreciate him
Where and the heck are all the posts for this movie??? This was by far the best Fincher film, and probably one of the most disturbingly brilliant films I've ever seen. Anybody agree with me, or are you all Panic Room fans? lol
I don't think Fincher belongs on the list of directors on xixax. He doesn't start many topical discussions because he only has a few good films (I don't think "Fight Club" was one of them, and I'm aware I'm in the minority). Sure, I guess that means Wes Anderson would have to be removed to.. I just think there are so many more better directors to have on here listed.
Quote from: Cinephile(I don't think "Fight Club" was one of them, and I'm aware I'm in the minority).
Now you have to back up why you think that.
Well a lot of people compare it to "A Clockwork Orange", and I like that film... but the message of "Fight Club" wasn't there for me like the message of "ACO".. I know why Kubrick made that one.. not so sure about what Fincher was going for.. it was very nicely set up.. but then it just got horribly violent.. It tried to go deep, but I didn't get it.. and the fact that people are bound to argue back with different interpretations of the film will probably prove my point. All in all, I admired some aspects of it but I wasn't really into it by the end.
NM LOL
Quote from: CinephileI know why Kubrick made that one.. not so sure about what Fincher was going for.. it was very nicely set up.. but then it just got horribly violent.. It tried to go deep, but I didn't get it.. and the fact that people are bound to argue back with different interpretations of the film will probably prove my point. All in all, I admired some aspects of it but I wasn't really into it by the end.
So your argument for ditching Fincher is: "I don't understand Fight Club cause I haven't read what anyone says I should think about it and I don't like it cause I don't and films that don't end in z scare me cause they make other people have different ideas to me and that scares me and I want to scratch out the name Fincher so I don't have to think these things anymore."
Not really having a go, Cinephile, just trying to side with Guffy so I can get in his pants.
There were reasons for why I disliked it and why I didn't get it.. its not like I'm simple and don't understand complex themes (if I can write essays on Kafka, I'm pretty sure I can handle deep material in a film). In this case, I just didn't go with where the film was trying to take me. I tried.. I watched it three times (a second time to see if I like it, a third because a friend bought the DVD and wanted me to watch it).. but it just didn't do it for me.
And I can see that pretty clearly.
Quote from: Cinephileits not like I'm simple and don't understand complex themes (if I can write essays on Kafka, I'm pretty sure I can handle deep material in a film).
Yet it seems like you're trying to avoid understanding Fight Club. Maybe it's simpler than you think. A guy has a repressed alter ego, which (with the help of insomnia) creates Fight Club. Then you can just go off the implications of that. It's probably that simple. So what's wrong?
I love Fight Club now, but I didn't when I first saw it, and I stand by my initial belief that the script gets muddled once Project Mayhem goes into full swing. I always knew the movie was audacious and technically brilliant, but it wasn't until my third viewing that I was able to look past my problems with the script and consider the film a flawed masterpiece.
On the other hand, I think Panic Room is flawless, for what it is (which doesn't mean that i think it's BETTER than Fight Club, mind you).
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: Cinephileits not like I'm simple and don't understand complex themes (if I can write essays on Kafka, I'm pretty sure I can handle deep material in a film).
Yet it seems like you're trying to avoid understanding Fight Club. Maybe it's simpler than you think. A guy has a repressed alter ego, which (with the help of insomnia) creates Fight Club. Then you can just go off the implications of that. It's probably that simple. So what's wrong?
I dunno, JB... "Fight Club" wasn't my cup of tea. I just don't know what's wrong with me anymore. :cry:
Quote from: GhostboyI love Fight Club now, but I didn't when I first saw it, and I stand by my initial belief that the script gets muddled once Project Mayhem goes into full swing. I always knew the movie was audacious and technically brilliant, but it wasn't until my third viewing that I was able to look past my problems with the script and consider the film a flawed masterpiece.
You hit that one with a big fucking hammer.
That's what I've always thought was the problem with Fight Club. I didn't care much for the ending because the whole, say, last 1/8th of the movie was very cluttered and unclear. The first time I saw it I couldn't like it, because I never looked back at the first 7/8ths of the film, and thought how great it really was.
Well getting back to the original topic (SeVeN), I do think Fincher deserves a string on this board because Seven was by far his best fucking movie. Fight Club had potential but like some of you said earlier it lost steam somwhere down the road.....Panic Room was technically better, but not as edgy as Seven....so I think we can all agree that Seven was his best film? :)
Quote from: punchdrunk23I do think Fincher deserves a string on this board because Seven was by far his best fucking movie.
What are you trying to say? If he has a great movie in
your opinion he should be allowed space?
Well, I may be new around here, and not quite informed about how directors get their own forum space, but I must say that just because he had 1 or 2 great movies, he isn't as deserving as some directors to have his own forum space. IMO of course.
What's with all the Fincher sullying. He has made some excellent films and we can't just take him off the list cause he hasn't made as many films as others. No one's bitching about Tarantino, and he's made four, so far. And one of them hasn't been released yet. I hate directors who just pop out films every 6 months(Sodderbergh). At least Fincher isn't afraid to stick with a film until its done right.
As for Fight Club, I think it had a great message. I know its easy to bitch about society and how it controls us all and we're all materialistic weasels, but they took that and made it into a film that was both entertaining and thought provoking. It's one of my top ten movies of all time.
'The Game' was also an excellent film. It could easily have been pretty boring, but he pulled it off masterfully. And here we are bitching about how he shouldn't be on the list. Why the hell is Sodderbergh on the list?
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That was quite ignorant and you've forced me to reply even though I could give two shits to defend Soderbergh around here anyway. You said "And one of them hasn't been released yet. I hate directors who just pop out films every 6 months(Sodderbergh). At least Fincher isn't afraid to stick with a film until its done right." Huh? So wait.. you hate a director who makes films often? Wouldn't the average human respect a guy who works his ass off to pull a stunt like that? You know, directing isn't the easiest job in the world. Anyway, my main problem was with your "Why the hell is Sodderbergh on the list?" Why the hell wouldn't he be? He's won numerous directing awards for "Traffic" including an Oscar.. numerous directing awards/nominations for "Erin Brockovich", and "Sex, Lies, and Videotape", which he won the Golden Palm for (Do you know where they award that, Recce?).. now I had to look up what Fincher has won since I had no clue but I figured not much. What has he won? An International Fantasy Film Award for "Se7en" and he was nominated for Best Director by the OFCS for "Fight Club." That's all she wrote. Soderbergh has made several very good movies and some even better than that. Let's see, he started out with "Sex, Lies, and Videotape" then after making "Kafka" made "King of the Hill." After that he did "Underneath", "Gray's Anatomy", "Schizopolis", "Out of Sight", "The Limey", "Erin Brockovich", "Traffic", "Ocean's Eleven", went very experimental with "Full Frontal", then did a tribute to Tarkovsky by remaking "Solaris." Quite the lineup there, wouldn't you say? Now answer me this: Why the hell wouldn't he be on the list? Watch those movies and get back to me.
Recce, thanks for reminding me-The Game, right up there with Seven.
And I don't think it's right to put a director down just because he hasn't made as many movies. Quality over quantity-that's what I always say :)
I also don't think it's right to put a director down because he's made alot of films. You've gotta have respect for someone who works his/her ass off. And don't get me wrong- I'm not putting down Fight Club. I think it was a very ambitious film.....I just think it got a bit off center as it progressed, that's all. You're not going to make perfect films all the time, I think we can all agree on that. Later.
Quote from: punchdrunk23I'm not putting down Fight Club. I think it was a very ambitious film.....I just think it got a bit off center as it progressed, that's all.
Oh so there IS somebody who shares the same opinion as I do? Good. :o The gang-raping was getting a little tedious.
Quote from: Cinephile:?
That was quite ignorant and you've forced me to reply even though I could give two shits to defend Soderbergh around here anyway. You said "And one of them hasn't been released yet. I hate directors who just pop out films every 6 months(Sodderbergh). At least Fincher isn't afraid to stick with a film until its done right." Huh? So wait.. you hate a director who makes films often? Wouldn't the average human respect a guy who works his ass off to pull a stunt like that? You know, directing isn't the easiest job in the world. Anyway, my main problem was with your "Why the hell is Sodderbergh on the list?" Why the hell wouldn't he be? He's won numerous directing awards for "Traffic" including an Oscar.. numerous directing awards/nominations for "Erin Brockovich", and "Sex, Lies, and Videotape", which he won the Golden Palm for (Do you know where they award that, Recce?).. now I had to look up what Fincher has won since I had no clue but I figured not much. What has he won? An International Fantasy Film Award for "Se7en" and he was nominated for Best Director by the OFCS for "Fight Club." That's all she wrote. Soderbergh has made several very good movies and some even better than that. Let's see, he started out with "Sex, Lies, and Videotape" then after making "Kafka" made "King of the Hill." After that he did "Underneath", "Gray's Anatomy", "Schizopolis", "Out of Sight", "The Limey", "Erin Brockovich", "Traffic", "Ocean's Eleven", went very experimental with "Full Frontal", then did a tribute to Tarkovsky by remaking "Solaris." Quite the lineup there, wouldn't you say? Now answer me this: Why the hell wouldn't he be on the list? Watch those movies and get back to me.
Calm down, seriously...This is like watching 6 year olds yell at eachother, except with bigger words. Now about this whole "he should be on here and he shouldn't have his own forum" thing. Why does it matter if someone has a spot or not? You can just as easily discuss him elsewhere if he didn't. I mean that's what the Directors Chair and Everything Else Cinema forums are for...Oh, but I don't want a fight...I just want to see some of these end.
Plus we all know that we're here to talk about Paul Thomas Anderson
Quote from: Pedro the WombatNow about this whole "he should be on here and he shouldn't have his own forum" thing. Why does it matter if someone has a spot or not? You can just as easily discuss him elsewhere if he didn't. I mean that's what the Directors Chair and Everything Else Cinema forums are for...Oh, but I don't want a fight...I just want to see some of these end.
I agree with that. And this way if you don't like one of the directors you can just ignore that section. Some directors are going to spawn more discussion than others, (i.e. PTA) so they get their own place to keep from crowding out the other directors in the director's chair forum.
Quote from: CinephileThat was quite ignorant and you've forced me to reply even though I could give two shits
No one is forcing you to reply... you are the master of your own destiny... the creator of your own emotions.... just remember that.
Quote from: Cinephile:?
That was quite ignorant and you've forced me to reply even though I could give two shits to defend Soderbergh around here anyway. You said "And one of them hasn't been released yet. I hate directors who just pop out films every 6 months(Sodderbergh). At least Fincher isn't afraid to stick with a film until its done right." Huh? So wait.. you hate a director who makes films often? Wouldn't the average human respect a guy who works his ass off to pull a stunt like that? You know, directing isn't the easiest job in the world. Anyway, my main problem was with your "Why the hell is Sodderbergh on the list?" Why the hell wouldn't he be? He's won numerous directing awards for "Traffic" including an Oscar.. numerous directing awards/nominations for "Erin Brockovich", and "Sex, Lies, and Videotape", which he won the Golden Palm for (Do you know where they award that, Recce?).. now I had to look up what Fincher has won since I had no clue but I figured not much. What has he won? An International Fantasy Film Award for "Se7en" and he was nominated for Best Director by the OFCS for "Fight Club." That's all she wrote. Soderbergh has made several very good movies and some even better than that. Let's see, he started out with "Sex, Lies, and Videotape" then after making "Kafka" made "King of the Hill." After that he did "Underneath", "Gray's Anatomy", "Schizopolis", "Out of Sight", "The Limey", "Erin Brockovich", "Traffic", "Ocean's Eleven", went very experimental with "Full Frontal", then did a tribute to Tarkovsky by remaking "Solaris." Quite the lineup there, wouldn't you say? Now answer me this: Why the hell wouldn't he be on the list? Watch those movies and get back to me.
No reason to get snippy, dude. I brought up Sodderbergh because I find that some of his more recent films are pretty hollow. He's been trying to use different effects and styles to make them seem cool and stylish, but in the end, it seems like he jsut sat there trying to think of a something different to do, regardless if it works or not. It doesn't sit well with me. Fincher, however, will dedicate himself to a film until its done right. And you're asking why he's on the list? THAT's ignorant, dude. If you ask me, Fincher deserves to be on the list more then Sodderbergh. I don't wanna completely rag on Sodderbergh, however. I did like his earlier work (i.e. Out of Sight, The Limey, etc.)
And I didn't mean I hate all directors who make too many films. The way I see it, if a director is working on a film and he has another one lined up to start as soon as he's finished, he just might cut a few corners and not spend as much time in post as he would if he had nothing planned. Quality over quantity, dude.
And just because someone doesn't win a bunch of awards doesn't mean he's a bad director. I'm sure we can all think of quite a few overlooked directors.
Recce only shows up when its time to bash Soderbergh. :wink:
I think bashing of Soderbergh is fine and deserving most of the times because the guy is overrated completely. I want to watch the original Traffik to see how much in way of filmmaking did he take from that to his movie, Traffic. I usually post though when I see it relevant to bash someone, so I could be looked at the same as well.
~rougerum
I know I'm tough on Sodderbergh, but he has pissed me off as of late. I honestly do love his earlier work, though. 'Out of Sight' is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Quote from: CinephileI don't think Fincher belongs on the list of directors on xixax. He doesn't start many topical discussions because he only has a few good films (I don't think "Fight Club" was one of them, and I'm aware I'm in the minority
I don't think Fight Club was a great film either, but I thought the first hour(if you take away the very first scene with a gun to his head) of that movie was incredibly promising and amazing. I thought the film was going to be about the Ed Norton character finding inner peace through violence and I thought that was a really cool concept.
But then once it got into the entire plan mayhem scheme with that whole army and all the explosions that just killed it for me. And the twist at the end was kind of lame for me.
So... what is a gyrosphere, please?
And was I right in seeing a 'Wescam operator' in the credits? If so, what is that?
Quote from: budgieSo... what is a gyrosphere, please?
The gyroshere is a stabilizing mount that keeps the camera from shaking when filming, usually when it's attached to a helicopter (see below).
Quote from: budgieAnd was I right in seeing a 'Wescam operator' in the credits? If so, what is that?
The Wescam is the camera that is mounted to a helicopter or place, etc. So the operator is the cameraman shooting the footage while airborne.
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i want one of those.
Quote from: Kev HoffmanQuote from: punchdrunk23I do think Fincher deserves a string on this board because Seven was by far his best fucking movie.
What are you trying to say? If he has a great movie in your opinion he should be allowed space?
Well, I may be new around here, and not quite informed about how directors get their own forum space, but I must say that just because he had 1 or 2 great movies, he isn't as deserving as some directors to have his own forum space. IMO of course.
Yep Kev, you
are new around here. And it is
just an opinion, so don't get your panties in a bunch. :wink:
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: budgieSo... what is a gyrosphere, please?
The gyroshere is a stabilizing mount that keeps the camera from shaking when filming, usually when it's attached to a helicopter (see below).
Quote from: budgieAnd was I right in seeing a 'Wescam operator' in the credits? If so, what is that?
The Wescam is the camera that is mounted to a helicopter or place, etc. So the operator is the cameraman shooting the footage while airborne.
Thank you.
This movie's just fucking great, man!
David Fincher is so scary talented. The beginning credits are just so cool and innovative. And I just like films where the evil wins (okay, in "Se7en" the evil not wins officially, but imo it wins).
Spike
Quote from: Spike(okay, in "Se7en" the evil not wins officially, but imo it wins).
Oh, I think it wins. I think in Fincher's films it always wins. But I wouldn't call it 'evil'.
Seven grows on me more and more, or even in me. Even Brad don't seem so poor now.
Budgie, I know I'm new here, but will you marry me?
Quote from: coffeebeetle25Budgie, I know I'm new here, but will you marry me?
Don't take this as a rejection, more a piece of advice:
Anyone who wants to marry me is lost from the start.
this came on tv the other day........so i decided to whip the DVD out...........4 commentaries.........i listened to the Story one.........pretty cool........i think i will listen to the Look one next.
i love this film. everytime it comes on i can't turn it off. the "look" of the film is amazing. editing (the chase scene)........colors (or lack thereof)..........title sequence........Morgan Freeman, Spacey, Pitt, Paltrow...........perfect ending........interesting to hear the ways that the studio wanted to change the story........reverse credits (has that been done before?).........a masterpiece in my humble opinion
the last line of the film is one of the best lines in film history. truly touching and chilling!
i loved this film
I just finished watching this movie again. I have to say that this and Fight Club are the two most beautiful David Fincher movies. Once you've seen the movie and go back to watch it again, you recognize more of what Fincher's doing. I still think that the scene with Morgan Freeman in the library with Air on G String by Bach playing with the camera going over the city is one of the most beautiful sequences I've ever seen.
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That's what I love about our generation. It takes anything classy or beautiful and turns into trash. Typical. :cry:
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Seven was was one of the few DVDs that I've bought cold, and I was very, very happy that I did.
*spoilers*
The movie engrossed me like movies rarely do. I was genuinely creeped out when the "dead" guy started moving. The chase scene with John Doe in the apartment building was more exhilerating than anything like that I've seen before.
The ending was *almost* perfect. It would have been perfect with Fincher's original cut. (see the DVD...) It cuts to black right with Bitt's character shooting Spacey. No credits ... very effective. :-)
Seven is, I believe, by far Fincher's best movie. (although I haven't seen Aliens 3).
Prad Bitt...
haha. oops.
when will you ever see morgan freeman, prad bitt, kevin spacey, and gwyneth paltrow in a movie again?
never.
Quote from: brighteyeswhen will you ever see morgan freeman, prad bitt, kevin spacey, and gwyneth paltrow in a movie again?
never.
Aw, damn.
GET YOUR FIRST LOOK AT "SE7EN" #1, "GLUTTONY"
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Back in May we told you first about the upcoming series of graphic novels based on the popular horror film "Se7en." The series hits stands this September and features a wide variety of creators bringing to the printed page the back story of John Doe, the psycopathic killer played brilliant by Kevin Spacey in the film. Today, publisher Zenescope Entertainment has provided CBR News with a first look at interiors from the first book, "Gluttony," and we catch up with interior artist Tommy Castillo for a quick chat about his work on the book
Hi, Tommy. So, who brought you on board as the artist for "Gluttony," the first issue in the seven part series, and did you encounter any challenges depicting the sin?
The first person to bring the project to my attention was Raven Gregory. He told me he was writing the "Gluttony" story. We went off for an hour or so just talking about the movie. As for any challenges, the one thing I wanted was for the art to reflect the mood of the film, so I took some time finding the right look. In the end, I am very happy with the look and feel of the art.
Each issue of "Se7en" features a different creative team. When you were told you were going to be doing the art for "Gluttony," what ran through your head?
I'm going to lose a lot of weight drawing this book. You draw a huge guy like that and all you do is look at what your eating and find yourself putting it down and reaching for a nice salad. I think I might go for a walk.
Which sin are you most looking forward to seeing illustrated and why?
Why gluttony, of course! And I can't wait to see lust! And envy, sloth should be just nasty, greed would be a fun story to do. But I personally would like to draw the girl getting her nose cut off to spite her face. HEHE, I mean that would be horrible to draw and other stuff that's bad. But, out of all of them, wrath is the one everyone should want to do. The head in the box!!! Here is a bit of a teaser........ I'm drawing wrath! Hehe... Head in a Box!
Raven Gregory, creator of the "The Gift," is the writer of your issue. Tell us about your experience working with him.
Raven is a great writer. Everyone will love this book. He has really sunk his teeth into the world of John Doe and you won't like Johnny's world. He writes full scripts, but leaves me the room to work the page to its fullest visually. We work together to make the book the best it can be as a team. The best thing about Raven and I is our ability to work with each other and put the book ahead of each of us. Damn my nose is brown.
Tell us about the first time you saw the film and you thoughts on it.
It was my ex-wife's favorite movie, so it is one of my favorites as well, but at the same time triggers unbridled rage and a need to kill. As for the film, I think its genius: the movie flows and challenges you. We, as fans, go to the movies with the agreement that we will sit as the film makers entertain. We throw off reality and try to believe. In "Se7en," we never question we are there. We are part of the nightmare. We believe. That is what makes it more than just another movie. It is a reality we fear. We wont survive.
Do you feel that films translate well into comics and visa versa?
Comics are films on paper. There is no translation. They are one in the same. We are storytellers. Whether it is on paper or on film, we bring you somewhere and show you that world.
What makes John Doe interesting to you? Any clues as to what lurks in John Doe's past?
Before I came into comics, I studied psychology, in particular abnormal psychology, serial killers to be more precise, so Johnny peaked my interest right away. What makes a man look at his fellow humans and see them as less than worthy? What allows a man to hurt and kill us, to torture those weaker than them? What would drive you to lose all hold on reality and make up one of your own? When would you lose it and pick up the knife and start to hunt man? If I told you what lurks in his past, that would be breaking his trust and I would hate to see what he might do to me then.
In the zombie comic "Toe Tags" you had the opportunity to work with director George Romero. Tell us about your experience working with him.
Working with George was a dream come true. It was an honor and a privilege to collaborate with him. He is just a true gentleman and I learned a great deal. In the end, George and I are going to work on a film we are collaborating on. Again, it's just unreal and real at the same time. I am just a lucky guy and am very thankful this has all worked out for me.
How does your approach to "Se7en" differ from your work on "Toe Tags?"
On "Toe tags, it was a strait pencils and inks deal. Although my inker, Rodney Ramos, was fantastic, "Se7en" allows me to work in washes, which is my favorite way to create the art.
You are entering the world of film, as well. Can you tell us about your involvement in the "Bubba the Redneck Werewolf" movie?
I am currently slated as the Assistant Director under Sid Haig. I will also be acting in the movie. It's the start of a new career for me and I am extremely excited to do it. But, as I had said earlier, comics are movies on paper. This is my chance to make a comic book on film.
Allright, final question and, well, you have to answer - who's sexier, Brad Pitt or Morgan Freeman?
Well the thing you have to ask yourself is which one would win in a knife fight. And let's face it, Brad has the looks, but Morgan would shiv his skinny butt in a minute. So the answer is right there in black and white: Dustin Hoffman wins hands down.
Uhhhh ... thanks, Tommy!
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Warner Home Video has set New Line's Se7en for release on Blu-ray Disc on 9/14 (SRP $34.99), as we've been expecting. It'll come in 32-page book packaging, and will include 4 audio commentaries (featuring director David Fincher, actors Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman, and other collaborators on the film), deleted/extended scenes, alternate endings, a multi-angle exploration of the title sequence (with multiple audio mixes and commentary), production design and still galleries with commentaries, The Notebooks featurette (detailing "John Doe's" writings) and the film's theatrical trailer. In short, it looks like most - if not all - of the previous Platinum Series DVD extras. The HD video is reportedly remastered and the disc will feature 7.1 lossless audio.