Release Date: May 14, 2004
Studio: Warner Bros.
Director: Wolfgang Petersen
Screenwriter: David Benioff
Starring: Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Diane Kruger, Peter O'Toole, Rose Byrne, Brian Cox, Julie Christie, Saffron Burrows,
Movie Poster (http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Action/Troy&image=poster.jpg&img=&tt=)
stills (http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Action/Troy)
Nice :shock:
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Check out the trailer (http://troymovie.warnerbros.com).
Pretty fuckin awesome I think...
Seems good...
yeah i like that reveal at the beggin of the trailer
This looks like alot of fun, I concur..... :-D
This is now one of the films I am looking forward to seeing.
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Everything looks great about it, but I still can't help being apprehensive about it. Nearly every time a story from Greek Mythology is told, the writers butcher it to fulfill their message or need. I had high hopes for the Troy miniseries on USA earier this year and they just butchered the Illiad because I guess (?) they were trying to make a better movie.
Hopefully they'll be true to Homer with this one.
Quote from: RaikusHopefully they'll be true to Homer with this one.
From what I've read on the website it sounds like they will.
Premise: In 1193 B.C., Prince Paris (Bloom) of Troy stole the beautiful Greek woman, Helen (Kruger), away from her husband, Menelaus, the king of Sparta, setting the two nations at war with each other, as the Greeks began a bloody siege of Troy using their entire armada, led by Achilles (Pitt), that lasted over a decade... (Bana plays Hector, the leader of the Trojan forces; Byrne plays Briseis, a Trojan slave and cousin of Hector and Paris who is given to Achilles as a gift.)
I've red the Iliade. From what I've seen and heard this movie has removed everything about the gods.
i saw the trailer before revolutions and i thought it looked pretty huge. i fear that this could turn out just as gay as gladiator though.
Quote from: phil marlowei fear that this could turn out just as gay as gladiator though.
You could be right but remember that Russel Crowe ain't Brad Pitt. + The Iliade is a classic and the rest of the cast looks smashing.
Quote from: SigurQuote from: phil marlowei fear that this could turn out just as gay as gladiator though.
You could be right but remember that Russel Crowe ain't Brad Pitt. + The Iliade is a classic and the rest of the cast looks smashing.
Am I the only one who loved Gladiator...?
Ah well...Troy's got potential.
Quote from: SigurQuote from: phil marlowei fear that this could turn out just as gay as gladiator though.
You could be right but remember that Russel Crowe ain't Brad Pitt. + The Iliade is a classic and the rest of the cast looks smashing.
well gladiator had ridley scott as director and good actors like richard harris and joaquin phoenix, i sincerily doubt it was crowes fault that this movie was bad.
if troy will be good i will give all credit to peter o'toole, one of the last of his kind of dual phallic hollywood actors.
Quote from: kotteAm I the only one who loved Gladiator...?
If you're not, you should be. :twisted:
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: kotteAm I the only one who loved Gladiator...?
If you're not, you should be. :twisted:
What?? :cry:
I love everything about it, the soundtrack, the actors everything...
except the cheesy ending... :(
Quote from: kotteQuote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: kotteAm I the only one who loved Gladiator...?
If you're not, you should be. :twisted:
What?? :cry:
I love everything about it, the soundtrack, the actors everything...
except the cheesy ending... :(
What?? :cry:
I love the cheesy ending especially... :(
Quote from: meatballQuote from: kotteQuote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: kotteAm I the only one who loved Gladiator...?
If you're not, you should be. :twisted:
What?? :cry:
I love everything about it, the soundtrack, the actors everything...
except the cheesy ending... :(
What?? :cry:
I love the cheesy ending especially... :(
It's a well done cheesy ending...anyway...Troy...
Gladiator is a great movie... the prequel or sequel idea may destroy that...
I hope Troy is as good as Gladiator... sure looks good
Sum up:
*Troy stole Pitt from the Fountain
*It will be "okay", but fizzle out because it doesn't meet expectations
*Gladiator sucked ass
Quote from: RegularKarateSum up:
*Troy stole Pitt from the Fountain
*It will be "okay", but fizzle out because it doesn't meet expectations
*Gladiator sucked ass
.......right on.....
Completely unrelated but andyk, your avatar kills me. :-D
hmmm i changed it recently... this one or the NEMO one? :roll:
The Keira one. :-D
I think Troy looks great, and I hope it at least sort of lives up to the Illiad. I wish, though, that they had kept Achillese's bisexuality intact -- David Benioff admitted that it's been excised.
Gladiator was a great action movie. Especially the bit were Juba chucks a Gladius to Maximus as he's riding by on a horse. The score was brilliant.
Troy looks pretty good but whats with the ploy of using a girl , inches from being topless in the trailer? Cheapens my first impression of the movie.
Are you a girl?
Thats the kind of question I'm not going to even dignify with comment.
...No.
Quote from: GhostboyI think Troy looks great, and I hope it at least sort of lives up to the Illiad. I wish, though, that they had kept Achillese's bisexuality intact -- David Benioff admitted that it's been excised.
whoa whoa, david benioff wrote the screenplay?
i'm in.
Was just curious.
Quote from: ©bradQuote from: GhostboyI think Troy looks great, and I hope it at least sort of lives up to the Illiad. I wish, though, that they had kept Achillese's bisexuality intact -- David Benioff admitted that it's been excised.
whoa whoa, david benioff wrote the screenplay?
i'm in.
He did...that's just one of many quality talents in this project.
one too many dudes in it, but still, it looks good. those battle scenes look as if they might rival ROTK.
yeah, but i hope every movie that comes out now doesnt try to out-epic LOTR. because thats going to get old fast.
International Trailer here. (http://www.troy.jp/trailer/02480.mov)
Quote from: themodernage02yeah, but i hope every movie that comes out now doesnt try to out-epic LOTR. because thats going to get old fast.
Really? I see that as a good thing. If there's a movie that can breach the scope and feel of the LOTR movies I welcome it with folded arms and agape jaw.
I'm all for an out-epic war instead of the typical movie-dance-off themes that have been coming out (Honey, Save the Last Dance, You Got Served, etc.).
Quote from: Raikus
I'm all for an out-epic war instead of the typical movie-dance-off themes that have been coming out (Honey, Save the Last Dance, You Got Served, etc.).
.......like......dude........you forgot to mention dirty danciong 2: havana nights........ouch!!!!!!!that phucker is hot.........
"now i've had the time of my time.....no......i never felt this way before(never felt this way)...........and i OWE IT ALL TO YOU............!!!!!"
::drools a little down his lower lip,smearing the candycane::
You know, it may just be the romantic in me, but hearing them say: (paraphrasing) "The greatest battle of all time - over one woman", kinda gets my juices flowing. Giddygiddy. I loved the real tight shot of Pitt/ Achilles, where most of his face is out of frame, and we only see the middle portion of his face while screaming, battle in the background.
We should be spared of to many epics like this, so we can cherish the few that come more.
New Trailer here. (http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/troyqt1.html)
uh oh, now i'm a little worried. i like brad pitt, but i dont know that i see him doing something like this convincingly. pitt seems like he's putting on a little bit of an 'accent' here and it doesnt sound pretty. and the brian cox line "then every son of troy will die" is delivered in a way that is pretty hammy.
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New Trailer here. (http://reuters.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr_story=7ea5f7cdefc50e847f2ecf2cf4496ab562d91880)
I really want to see this!!!
Quote from: andykI really want to see this!!!
How did I come to this thread and know you were going to say that?
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Quote from: MacGuffinNew Trailer here. (http://reuters.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr_story=7ea5f7cdefc50e847f2ecf2cf4496ab562d91880)
Damn this looks like a great movie. I actually just got back today from a state Latin competition, wherein I was tested on mythology, et al. Did pretty good, too. I also kicked tremendous ass against all my competitors in a certamen (kind of like a Latin brain-brawl thing) match. Damn I rock.
Quote from: llewkcoR tsehCI actually just got back today from a state Latin competition, wherein I was tested on mythology, et al.
.this is not technically Troy related.but i got a groovy mythology joke you coul dtell it to your friends at the next mythology competition...or you could tell it to anyone who you think might find it splendid as i did/do.....this may be a stupid joke..but ..its funny enough as to when you finished reading it you might snicker at it..or i could be a piece of sh*t, or ..you know the deal.
anyways........'
where do zeus, icarus, and the rest of the gang see a film at?
THE Apollo Theatre.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:
thank you..i'll be here all week.
:splat:
:brickwall:
:yabbse-grin:
God dammit. That Orlando Bloom is gorgeous. He makes me feel kinda funny, like when we used to climb the ropes in gym class.
Nah, the hottest person on that poster by far is Julie Christie (you know you're the bees knees when you don't even have to be pictured to outdo everyone else in an advertisement).
(runner up = Brad Pitt)
Helen is pretty hot, though in a totally modern, unclassical way.
i knew that first poster was too good to be true. im glad the new one is lame as all hell. like, maybe they should've spent less time photoshopping heads together, because its only a poster right?
Quote from: themodernage02i knew that first poster was too good to be true. im glad the new one is lame as all hell. like, maybe they should've spent less time photoshopping heads together, because its only a poster right?
i've always wondered if the ppl who make teaser posters are the same ones who make the final theatrical release ones. if so, how can they live with themselves? and if not, why do they even bother with the first one?
Quote from: themodernage02i knew that first poster was too good to be true. im glad the new one is lame as all hell. like, maybe they should've spent less time photoshopping heads together, because its only a poster right?
The first poster kicks tremendous ass. The thing I like most about it is that sole Trojan(?) on the hill(?). Damn it's fine. Hella fine.
Quote from: Chest RockwellHella fine.
..i don't mean to be picky..but please refrain from using that word..one of my friends does a really horrible cartman impression(this was after his mundane and tiresome beavis"cornholio" impression he use to do)..and whenver "hella-something" is used it makes me edgy..like waiting in the dentists office ....
thanks,
NEON
......................
There are very cool pictures, especially of the trojan horse, in the new Premiere.
I would post them but the website of Premiere sucks and I cant access them
Bland bland bland movie. Bad script, dialogue, acting and everything else that is imaginable. Orlando Bloom is becoming a very annoying actor and Brad Pitt offered the only entertainment in the film. His face was interesting even though he was playing a role as interesting as Superman. Also, his sword play was quite impressive.
Much more entertaining than any LOTR. Great epic, entertaining fight sequences, loveable characters. Great, if a little dumb, epic.
So, which one of you two do I trust?
i just got back from it and i walked out feeling confident that i had seen a good movie. the only real thing that bothered me, besides the guy next to me getting kicks out of making fart noises with his chair, was the score. it didnt really fit the scenes they were made for. also, at some parts, this movie was very Gladiator-esque (i.e. SPOILERS, when both Hector and Achilles address their armies before battle and when Paris tells Helen that they will be together, in this life or the next). i was also pretty impressed with Eric Bana's performance. Brad Pitt was good. Peter O'Toole stole every scene he was in. all in all, i really enjoyed this movie. i give it 4/5.
SPOILERS
also, the fight scene between Hector and Achilles was AWESOME!
another scene i really liked was when Achilles killed all those men on the steps of the church.
I just saw this film too and I also walked out feeling confident that this was a great movie. As much as I respect your opinion, I don't agree with your statement about the score. I thought it was riveting (ESPECIALLY the "naked" percussion during the Achilles/Hector battle). I also thought the cinematography was fantastic. I could have watched this film on mute...
My only beef with the film was that this war seemed to span a week and not the ten or so years it purportedly took to resolve. I also thought the Achilles character was so fucking great and I was irked that that pussy Prince Paris killed him so easily. But I give it a 4/5 and a definite Oscar contender.
Quote from: coffeebeetleI thought it was riveting (ESPECIALLY the "naked" percussion during the Achilles/Hector battle).
yes, i agree with you on that, that was fantastic. also the irish-like chanting that, again, sounded like Gladiator was good though.
Quote from: coffeebeetleI also thought the Achilles character was so fucking great and I was irked that that pussy Prince Paris killed him so easily
YES! that really pissed me off.
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Quote from: coffeebeetleI also thought the Achilles character was so fucking great and I was irked that that pussy Prince Paris killed him so easily
YES! that really pissed me off.
Well, that is how the story goes, that was his only weakness, his mother dipped him in the magical river Styx to make him immortal, but the dummy forgot to also dip the part on his body she was holding and that happened to be his heel.
I know, I know. But still... :evil:
Quote from: Pas RapportMuch more entertaining than any LOTR.
I don't think so. A
far better story, no doubt, but they fucked it, in my opinion. Ive been looking forward to this for over a year and I really wanted to like it, but I have to agree with GT on this one. A pretty average movie.
The fight between Hector and Achilles was great and was probably the most entertaining scene of the film. There were some other really great scenes (Achilles' death, Priam's speech about why his son deserves an honourable funeral, the Greek army emerging from the horse; to name a few), and I do think its a film worth seeing, but it could have been so much more. Very dissapointing, I thought.
Quote from: EEz28Well, that is how the story goes, that was his only weakness, his mother dipped him in the magical river Styx to make him immortal, but the dummy forgot to also dip the part on his body she was holding and that happened to be his heel.
Its shit like that that makes Greek mythology so fucking great. This movie had none of that. Sure, they were going for realism, but still.... :(
Quote from: coffeebeetleI also thought the Achilles character was so fucking great and I was irked that that pussy Prince Paris killed him so easily
Haha everyone say shit abour Paris, I wonder if you'd go out to fight that big fat redhead. I prefer this character to Achilles.
People and heroes :?
This is what my friend heard in the audience:
"He just got hit in the ankle what's the big deal?!"
can a brotha get a spoila?
Quote from: Brock LandersA pretty average movie.
yep, that about sums it up. not terrible, but not very good. a movie full of great actors doing not-so-great work, and i tried to figure out whether the script was bad or what? and i dont think the script was too bad, and since all these actors normally to good work i'm going to have to blame the director here. he didnt really seem to have a tight reign on this film. it seemed to get away from him. i know a lot of people dont like Gladiator or Last Samurai (i do), but those films are infinitely more confident in their execution. this film was pretty sloppy storytelling and missed the mark for me.
spoilers
my thoughts:
>bana is the phucking man in this film.....>pitt looked oriental in this film
>sean bean is cool
>the dialogue is phucking cheesy as sh*t
> the film kind of dragged
>good fights scenes
>i didn t like michelle branch look-a-like as pitts love interest was annoying
>i agree w/ GT, orlando is getting annoying..he has ghey facial expressions like cuba gooding jr., ...and thats bad..
> pitt scharacter was annoying atr times and majority if not all through the movie i was puling for the Trojans...[especially for bana]..but that is pretty cool how the film works on some many levels -everyone roots for whoever
>i was getting tired of pitts 'jumping blade stab manuever' that he used on the big guy in the beginning and then used on bana twice..i guess its the greek way of doing the 'crane kick' from the karate kid films...
>tool was cool
>this film is good but not great ***/*****
>if this is a best pic oscar contender than its going to be a sh*tty line up of films.....
>free info to all the ladies out there YOU GET TO SEE BRAD PITTS BUTTOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yabbse-shocked:
they've been accesible since Twelve Monkeys, Neon. Duh. :|
Quote from: cronopiothey've been accesible since Twelve Monkeys, Neon. Duh. :|
but not under wolfgangs direction.... :kiss:
Quote from: NEON MERCURYQuote from: cronopiothey've been accesible since Twelve Monkeys, Neon. Duh. :|
but not under wolfgangs direction.... :kiss:
oh, Gerrrrrrrrrrrman, I read ye... :wink:
Ughhh, not a fan. I went into it with lowered expectations hoping I'd enjoy the film, but I really didn't. First off, the good things...
Brad Pitt
The achilles / hector fight
Helen's ass
some of the shots showing the scope of the battle
The rest of the film, not a fan....
Orlando Bloom
the script (how can it make such a great story so bad?)
just how boring the film really is...the lulls between the battle scenes feel like lulls
Conventions that I'm just sick of seeing such as...
-ever since Saving Private Ryan, every big battle scene has to be shot in a "chaotic" manner
-scores that have the female chanting or crooning instead of just being instrumental
some of the shots showing the scope of the battle
I guess I'd give it 2/5 stars. Best Picture contention? grow up, maybe best picture contention of the films released this week. Better than LotR? I'm not a huge Rings fan but don't be silly.
You can't polish a turd.
Troy is a turd.
It wasn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be.
QuoteThe rest of the film, not a fan....
Orlando Bloom
I completely agree with you. This guy is talentless and overhyped.
QuoteConventions that I'm just sick of seeing such as...
-ever since Saving Private Ryan, every big battle scene has to be shot in a "chaotic" manner
It's funny you mention Saving Private Ryan. When they deploy from the boats and the arrows started flying, the Omaha (?) Beach landing flashed through my mind.
Sorry you didn't like the film.
My cousin's in this. 8) , he sent us photos of the shooting about a year ago. Fun stuff. I think he gets killed by Brad Pitt's stunt in a part. I'll tell you if I spot him when I see it. who knows when that'll happen...
Saw this last night, and I have to say I liked it for what it was. It was pretty much everything I was expecting/wanting. The action scenes were pretty sweet, especially the Hector/Achilles scene. The main thing that got on my nerves was how clear-cut evil they made Agamemnon; that and how they turned Achilles into a romantic. I think it would have been a notch better had they left good/evil ambiguous like it's supposed to be. Oh, and they really should have just left Aeneas out of the movie. That was definitely the worst individual scene. But I still liked it and I'll probably see it again. The acting was fine enough, notably that of Peter O'Toole, Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Sean Bean, Brian Cox, and Saffron Burrows (I think her name is). Anyways, good fun, good fun.
It's disappointing to hear that the best compliments for the film are along the lines of "good action" and so forth. When the source material is Homer, I would like to see some more impressive reviews.
Go here to hear segments of the rejected score from Gabriel Yared:
http://www.gabrielyared.com/flashsite/index2.htm
It's under the news section.
Quote from: SHAFTR
Conventions that I'm just sick of seeing such as...
-ever since Saving Private Ryan, every big battle scene has to be shot in a "chaotic" manner
-scores that have the female chanting or crooning instead of just being instrumental
some of the shots showing the scope of the battle
I guess I'd give it 2/5 stars. Best Picture contention? grow up, maybe best picture contention of the films released this week. Better than LotR? I'm not a huge Rings fan but don't be silly.
-The fight scenes in LOTR are so chaotic I can't even get anything that's going on in them. I may just be slow too.
-The score of LOTR features Enya.
LOTR is long. I remember clearly making the wish to die after 3 hours of ROTK. Probably the most over-rated thing (not film, thing) of all time.
Troy isn't genius by any means, but I found it more entertaining than LOTR. It's silly, the dialogue is cheap, but I don't have to tolerate a 20 minutes long slow motion close up of Liv Tyler crying face.
Quote from: Pas Rapport... but I don't have to tolerate a 20 minutes long slow motion close up of Liv Tyler crying face.
I don't mind.
As for cheap dialogue... Lord of the Rings had it's fair share. 9 hours worth.
I wasn't a big fan. One of those movies where you just want everyone to die - painfully. Hector was the exception I suppose. Eric Bana was solid through most of the movie. I suppose the good/evil dynamic was supposed to be ambiguous, but I think a poor method of achieving that is making the audience hate pretty much everyone.
It seems like most people are comparing this to LOTR. While watching Troy, I sort of had the feeling that this was what LOTR would have looked like if it had been made by lazy, talentless filmmakers. Personally, I was a big fan of the LOTR trilogy, but I can see its flaws and I don't buy the argument that Troy was better in any way than those films. Just my opinion, though.
One thing we can all agree on, I think - Orlando Bloom was dreadful in this movie. He was solid in LOTR, average at best in Pirates and just awful in Troy. But, he has a pretty face and many fans for some reason, so I'm sure we'll be seeing more of him for at least a few more years.
One more thing - the scene where Polydora (might be wrong about the name, correct me if I am) is trying to kill Achilles: the entire theatre just groaned when they start having sex instead. What a terrible scene.
Quote from: UncleJoeyOne more thing - the scene where Polydora is trying to kill Achilles: the entire theatre just groaned when they start having sex instead. What a terrible scene.
Yeah, I
groaned too... with an aching need that can never be fulfilled.
Quote from: UncleJoeyOne more thing - the scene where Polydora (might be wrong about the name, correct me if I am) is trying to kill Achilles: the entire theatre just groaned when they start having sex instead. What a terrible scene.
Are you sure you didn't see the porn version?
Quote from: UncleJoeyIt seems like most people are comparing this to LOTR. While watching Troy, I sort of had the feeling that this was what LOTR would have looked like if it had been made by lazy, talentless filmmakers. Personally, I was a big fan of the LOTR trilogy, but I can see its flaws and I don't buy the argument that Troy was better in any way than those films. Just my opinion, though.
It's not being compared like Coke and Pepsi. Don't have to guard the LOTR castle just yet.
Quote from: SHAFTR
Conventions that I'm just sick of seeing such as...
-ever since Saving Private Ryan, every big battle scene has to be shot in a "chaotic" manner
Actually... have you seen "Romper Stomper?"
(POSSIBLE SPOILER) Spielberg nonadmittingly stole the "chaos" from Geoffrey Wright during the chase scene between the Vietnamese and the skinheads.
Check out the commentary on the "Romper" DVD, cause it's pretty good.
Quote from: PwaybloeQuote from: SHAFTR
Conventions that I'm just sick of seeing such as...
-ever since Saving Private Ryan, every big battle scene has to be shot in a "chaotic" manner
Actually... have you seen "Romper Stomper?"
(POSSIBLE SPOILER) Spielberg nonadmittingly stole the "chaos" from Geoffrey Wright during the chase scene between the Vietnamese and the skinheads.
Check out the commentary on the "Romper" DVD, cause it's pretty good.
I haven't. I never really thought that the battle scene in Saving Private Ryan was entirely original, but it definitely has changed the way battle scenes are shown today.
I think the disappointing part about Troy, is that the writing was flawed. Peter O'toole was great, so was Brad Pitt, I really enjoyed Eric Bana, (let's not forget my darling Julie Christie :-D )... but the storytelling lacked. The connections between characters were created without any relationship to back them up. For example, Agamemnon's relationship and tie to Achillies is rather weak. Did anyone else feel that way?
The romance between Paris and Helen was virtually non-existent. There was no love to cause a war over. Rather, it was a bratty child rutting with an unhappy woman. Futhermore, these two characters were very poorly cast. Helen of Troy was a modern day American beauty, there was nothing timeless, nor classic, about her. And rather than Paris being portrayed as an enchanting womanizer, he came across as a lovelorn moper. The way he touched her wasn't even romantic, although Bloom tried to be. He just pissed me off... and I'm not referring to his character either. He was completely mechanical and did not evoke any real emotion other than annoyance.
Quote from: RaviQuote from: UncleJoeyOne more thing - the scene where Polydora (might be wrong about the name, correct me if I am) is trying to kill Achilles: the entire theatre just groaned when they start having sex instead. What a terrible scene.
Are you sure you didn't see the porn version?
Calling this movie a porn would be an insult to the adult film industry.
people need to realize that all this film is ....is just a solid pocorn summer film like independence day or something...........it got mad flaws and cheesy dialogue pimped FX.....and bana is the film s saving grace........
and o toole....
and cristie
.
oh yeah, it s an insult to compare this film to the LOTR trilogy.........thats like tryiong to compare the matrix w/ ballistics: ecks vs sever...........
this is the best film of the year so far
Quote from: cronopiothis is the best film of the year so far
I agree.
Oh you two. :lol:
Quote from: ThrindleI think the disappointing part about Troy, is that the writing was flawed. Peter O'toole was great, so was Brad Pitt, I really enjoyed Eric Bana, (let's not forget my darling Julie Christie :-D )... but the storytelling lacked. The connections between characters were created without any relationship to back them up. For example, Agamemnon's relationship and tie to Achillies is rather weak. Did anyone else feel that way?
The romance between Paris and Helen was virtually non-existent. There was no love to cause a war over. Rather, it was a bratty child rutting with an unhappy woman. Futhermore, these two characters were very poorly cast. Helen of Troy was a modern day American beauty, there was nothing timeless, nor classic, about her. And rather than Paris being portrayed as an enchanting womanizer, he came across as a lovelorn moper. The way he touched her wasn't even romantic, although Bloom tried to be. He just pissed me off... and I'm not referring to his character either. He was completely mechanical and did not evoke any real emotion other than annoyance.
Perhaps they should have pulled a Lord of the Rings and turned it into a gruesomely long trilogy. That might have worked better for you nerds that require a "story" or "character development"...
But seriously, That'd be pretty cool if they did. The first part would be pre-war events (marriage of Peleus and Thetis, Golden Apple, Iphigenia, Odysseus' and Achilles' hidings, up to, say, the beginning of the war). The second would be the first nine years (Palladium, war stuff) and also all of the Iliad (ending at the funeral of Hector). The third would consist of the second book of the Aeneid (death of Achilles, emergence of Neoptolemus, Sinon, Trojan Horse, Laocoon, the last attack of the Trojans, the Fall) and maybe go a bit into the returns, such as the consequences of Agamemnon's killing of Iphigenia, Odysseus, and the beginning of the Aeneid. One thing I'd like to see is the use of the gods in a nice and not-lame way like how you see in the stupid made-for-TV movies. Another is an exploration into Achilles' homosexuality, with Antilochus, Troilus, perhaps Patroclus. Man that would be...awesome...
Quote from: Chest RockwellAnother is an exploration into Achilles' homosexuality, with Antilochus, Troilus, perhaps Patroclus. Man that would be...awesome...
Perverted Thrindle thinks that gay scenes with Achilles would be
FANTASTIC!
Thanks Chest for posting with the idea of a trilogy. Greek Mythology is so ripe with entertainment that if done correctly, it could make phenomenal cinema. My thoughts for Troy are: less battle, more character development. But hey, it had Pitt so I should be grateful...
To paraphrase the wise writer of the Secret Window tagline:
"Some literature should never be adapted."
Quote from: ThrindlePerverted Thrindle thinks that gay scenes with Achilles would be FANTASTIC!
You're icky. :oops:
Quote from: meatballYou're sticky. :oops:
This is true.
Quote from: StefenQuote from: cronopiothis is the best film of the year so far
I agree.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Kill Bill Vol. 2? You Got Served? Oh wait . . . scratch that last one.
Quote from: UncleJoeyOh wait . . . scratch that last one.
and the one before that.
I saw this film yesterday. My expectations very high because I've just red The Illiade. Overall I was very dissapointet. Mainly because the script was absolute shit and only 1% of it was according to The Illiade. The ending was so corny and sentimental. Achilleus ("You are a much better king then my king".) and Hector ("I killed a boy today".) got sensitive... Then the Trojan-horse which is not apart of the Illiade! Everything was crazy and messed up. This film has nothing to do with The Illiade or anything Greek. Another thing, the statues and all the art in Troy belongs to a art-period that is between 600-500 bc. and the Trojan-war is 1200 bc.
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: UncleJoeyOh wait . . . scratch that last one.
and the one before that.
Well, it was definitely better than Troy. That's all I was saying.
homosexuals are gay.
Quote from: See Gurr RoseThen the Trojan-horse which is not apart of the Illiade! Everything was crazy and messed up. This film has nothing to do with The Illiade or anything Greek.
Is this a joke?
I think he was talking about the illiade and not the illiad. I've read the illiade and it doesn't have any horses.
Quote from: StefenI've read the illiade and it doesn't have any horses.
oh, there are
plenty of horses mister
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: UncleJoeyOh wait . . . scratch that last one.
and the one before that.
i'd scratch the one before
that first
Quote from: Brock LandersQuote from: PubrickQuote from: UncleJoeyOh wait . . . scratch that last one.
and the one before that.
i'd scratch the one before that first
yeah, u would.
Quote from: See Gurr RoseThis film has nothing to do with The Illiade or anything Greek.
Well is has some greek stuff in it and people that are in the Illiad
Quote from: Chest RockwellQuote from: See Gurr RoseThen the Trojan-horse which is not apart of the Illiade! Everything was crazy and messed up. This film has nothing to do with The Illiade or anything Greek.
Is this a joke?
The Trojan-horse isn't in the Illiad! The Illiad ends with Hectors burial. The Trojan horse and Achilleus' death is after the Illiad.
The Illiad = Illiade (Greek)
Quote from: Pas RapportWell is has some greek stuff in it and people that are in the Illiad
Brendan Gleeson speaking Irish?
How do you speak Irish?
Quote from: meatballHow do you speak Irish?
Irish dialect (http://jackytappet.tripod.com/irish.htm)
Quote from: meatballHow do you speak Irish?
Irish would be the celtic language, but actually I was thinking about the dialect.
DVD Release
Source: www.davisdvd.com
Release Date: October 19
Warner Home Video has announced the release of Wolfgang Petersen’s action epic Troy, which stars Brad Pitt, Eric Bana and Orlando Bloom. Both widescreen and pan and scan versions of the two-disc set will be on offer, and will feature either anamorphic widescreen (in 2.40:1) or 4:3 pan and scan transfers, along with English and French Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks. Extras will include three featurettes: ‘In the Thick of the Battle’, ‘From Ruins to Reality’ and ‘Troy: An Effects Odyssey’, a photo gallery, the theatrical trailer and Easter eggs. Both versions will arrive on the 4th of January 2005, at which time they should retail for around $29.95.
Artwork here. (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=4703&n=1&burl=)
it's no Jersey Girl, but it's up there
O'Toole Slams 'Troy'
Legendary actor Peter O'Toole has launched a blistering attack at his last movie Troy and its director Wolfgang Petersen. O'Toole starred as Priam alongside a star-studded ensemble cast including Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom, and Diane Kruger in the mythical epic. But the 72-year-old Irish actor hated working with German film-maker Peterson and was disappointed with the finished product. He says, "Ugh, what a disaster. The director, that Kraut, what a clown he was. When it was all over, I watched 15 minutes of the finished movie and then walked out. At least I had one good scene."
The first artwork isn't too bad and was a lot like the poster.
Petersen to 'Troy' again
Director's cut bows at Berlin
Source: Variety
Warner Home Video has ponied up more than $1 million for a new director's cut of Wolfgang Petersen's "Troy," which will bow Saturday at the Berlin Film Festival before receiving a limited theatrical re-release in Germany on March 23.
Project, the latest in a series of homevideo do-overs for big-name directors, is the second such enterprise for Petersen, who revisited "Das Boot" 10 years ago. The director spent three months working on the new version, adding more sex and violence -- and about a half hour -- to a movie some already considered long at 162 minutes.
To accommodate the extra footage, he had to get SAG clearances from the actors involved.
"This is more the film I wanted it to be," Petersen said. "It's very violent, but that's Homer and 'The Iliad.' "
The director said time constraints and ratings pressures took their toll on the original theatrical version, which was a hit overseas but considered a disappointment at the domestic B.O.
It earned $364 million in international markets and $133 million Stateside.
Recutting a film after it's made almost half a billion, "the sword is not hanging over your head," Petersen told Daily Variety. "You can give it more time to breathe."
Although the homevid division is underwriting the director's cut, there is no release date set. Petersen said he planned to record a commentary and work on additional bonus material for that release, expected sometime later in the year.
Regardless of when it bows, Petersen hopes it becomes accepted as the true "Troy," much as his director's cut of "Das Boot" has been. "Das Boot" was originally released on homevideo following its 1981 theatrical bow. Sony's vid arm released the hour longer director's cut on disc in 1997.
Meanwhile, Oliver Stone is working on a final cut of "Alexander," due March 27 from Warner homevid, and Barry Levinson revisited "The Natural" for a director's cut due from Sony on April 3. Warner released Richard Donner's version of "Superman II" in November, almost 30 years after the producers fired him during production of the sequel.
If all goes well with the new "Troy," Petersen said, it could be re-released theatrically beyond Germany before its homevid bow in various territories.
"Don't we all want a second chance?" Petersen said. "That's what's great about DVD."
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 11, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
Barry Levinson revisited "The Natural" for a director's cut due from Sony on April 3.
I wonder if that means he has changed the ending?