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Creative Corner => Filmmakers' Workshop => Topic started by: ono on October 15, 2003, 09:23:22 PM

Title: What NOT to do in a film.
Post by: ono on October 15, 2003, 09:23:22 PM
http://www.filmmaker.com/DUMPS.html

I thought this was highly amusing.  Probably because it's so true.  A must-read for anyone who's made a short film or plans on it.
Title: What NOT to do in a film.
Post by: prophet on October 15, 2003, 09:50:39 PM
"This one is zany.  A character walks INTO THE CAMERA LENS!  And then we fade to black, or more commonly, cut to the reverse-- someone walking AWAY FROM THE CAMERA LENS!  OOOooo!  What a good idea..."

scarface

whoes the guy that wrote this crap?

"The zany "Slacker with a Gun" film You're not Quentin Tarantino.  Stop trying."

YES I EM FUCKING TARANTINO!!!! YOU MOTHER FUCKING PEACE OF SHIT
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Post by: Link on October 15, 2003, 11:27:34 PM
Aww man, I feel like such a loser for using some of those things!  :oops:

:wink:
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Post by: prophet on October 16, 2003, 12:10:49 AM
noooo listen to that guy hes a very famose hollywood insider he knows what hes talkin about if he says they are shit they are man listen to him :)
j/k

ill use whatever my muthafuckin' head desires.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 16, 2003, 01:16:22 AM
The only thing I'd pay any real attention to there is the sound issue. Having good sound is sooo important -- as I now know.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 16, 2003, 01:43:28 AM
Wow.  I've done 10+ shorts and haven't broken any of those rules.  I guess I'm awesome.
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Post by: kotte on October 16, 2003, 03:11:45 AM
Weak2ndAct, your new avatar scares me man...
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 16, 2003, 03:22:05 AM
It's awesome and you know it.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 16, 2003, 03:26:24 AM
Hey, I want some attention! My lonstanding avatar is from the same film!

 It is nice to know, though, that that famous sequence still has the ability to shock people close to a century later.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 16, 2003, 03:32:39 AM
GB--
I just decided to pick the grossest moment, which is just typical of my gross-ness.  Yeah, the movie still holds up today.  2 great artists working together in their prime is wonderful thing.
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Post by: kotte on October 16, 2003, 03:40:32 AM
What movie??

Gotta see this madness!! :shock:
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Post by: kotte on October 16, 2003, 03:42:29 AM
Weak2ndAct, you've probably answered this already but fuck it.

How does your writing routine look like? An average day in Weak's life.
Title: What NOT to do in a film.
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 16, 2003, 03:49:46 AM
The movie:
Un Chien Andalou, directed by Bunuel, with some assistance by Salvador motherfuckin' Dali.
The writing routine:
On your average day, nothing really gets done.  A lot of TV watching and internet surfing (and the occasional phone calling).  That changes when inspiration hits or the man is making me turn shit in.  When that happens, it's usually an all day affair with several cups of coffee and too many cigarettes to count.  In these periods, there is usually little sleep and much grumpiness.  Though some swell things are going on in my life, it's way more boring than you would think.
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Post by: kotte on October 16, 2003, 04:31:10 AM
Quote from: Weak2ndActThe movie:
Un Chien Andalou, directed by Bunuel, with some assistance by Salvador motherfuckin' Dali.

Insane shit, man!


Quote from: Weak2ndActnothing really gets done.
So can relate to that. I have this fucking block at the moment. It's not really a traditional writers block. It's more of a 'I gotta finish a short before I start the next feature' kind of block. And I have trouble finding an idea for this short. The good thing is I've decided to shoot this short in january and I'm meeting a cinematographer next wednesday so I have to have it done by then.
I don't know why I feel I have to write a short before the feature. I think I have to to prove something to myself.
I don't know...it's all so confusing...
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Post by: Link on October 16, 2003, 09:21:06 AM
I seen that flick!  I remember when I found out Dali helped out in that flick, I was psyched.  It's great.
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 16, 2003, 10:14:55 AM
From the article:

Often in film school, the only aesthetic advice you will get is "Don't use zooms."  Screw that.  Zooms are NOT on this list.  That's because zooms, while potential cheese, can be used even at the student level effectively and are much cooler than most film schools even understand.

THAT is the best advice on this page. So true. I had constant arguments about using zooms in film school. Why does every film school camera teacher impose the "no zooming" rule?

Anyway, I've violated a few of those "rules" listed in the article. Most noticeably the Feature Crammed Into A Short, and the Introspective Shot (which I like, and will continue to use). And the Solo guitar and Long Slow Piano, which is all I could afford and come up with, being fucked out of some of the music I wanted to use (thanks, Fleetwood cocksucking Mac...).
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Post by: subversiveproductions on October 16, 2003, 04:19:12 PM
Ghostboy, I thought for sure that your avatar was from pi.  No?
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Post by: mutinyco on October 16, 2003, 06:41:56 PM
One thing movies should feature more of is eyes getting cut open by straight razors!
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 16, 2003, 07:36:42 PM
It LOOKS like it's from Pi, that's for sure. But it's definitely from Un Chien Andelou.
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 18, 2003, 01:22:42 AM
Quote from: GhostboyIt LOOKS like it's from Pi, that's for sure. But it's definitely from Un Chien Andelou.

For the longest time, I thought that truly was Max Cohen with a headache, my friend told me about Un Chien, and I wanted to look up the eye-slice, I see your avatar, and I'm like oh shit.  :lol:
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Post by: Witkacy on October 21, 2003, 03:36:23 PM
As much as I admire Bunuel (especially his films in Mexico), Un chien andalou is a moment... so was surrealism in film.  I love the film.  But Bunuel's short masterpiece is "Simon of the Desert".  It is totally uncompromised and not inhibited by artistic trend.
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Post by: Ravi on November 05, 2003, 06:38:36 PM
I used an overhead shot in a film I made earlier this year, but I feel it was justified.  It was in a cramped space and was the best way to show everything that was happening.  One of my story ideas that never took off was a "slice of life" nothing happens film.  Even I was falling asleep when I read it, so I scrapped it.  A film I made a few years ago starts with the main character waking up, but it makes sense in the film, so I don't believe it was a creative cop out.

I'm glad to say that for the most part I've avoided misuse of the things on the list.
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Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on November 06, 2003, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: RaviOne of my story ideas that never took off was a "slice of life" nothing happens film.  Even I was falling asleep when I read it, so I scrapped it.  

That's the way I felt about Lost in Translation.
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Post by: Gamblour. on November 06, 2003, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
Quote from: RaviOne of my story ideas that never took off was a "slice of life" nothing happens film.  Even I was falling asleep when I read it, so I scrapped it.  

That's the way I felt about Lost in Translation.

I used to feel kinda that way, but the I actually had a similar LiT experience, so I totally appreciate it now. I'll buy it the minute it comes out.
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Post by: Recce on November 06, 2003, 07:34:08 PM
Damn, and I thought the walking into then away from the camera transition was cool. Sigh.
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 06, 2003, 08:15:49 PM
it is cool.

what do these fuckers know?
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Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 11:05:06 PM
how cool was it in the graduate?  ahh mike nichols.....
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Post by: Ravi on November 06, 2003, 11:59:49 PM
Quote from: RecceDamn, and I thought the walking into then away from the camera transition was cool. Sigh.

I saw a feature film where they did this several times.  It got old quickly.

I've also noticed that quite a few student films are about a main character who encounters bad stuff all the way or is on a quest to find something but can't find it until the end (and often with an ironic ending).

Just in my HS communications class I noticed three such films, including one of mine.  One was about a kid whose dog ate his homework, then he kept encountering problems that made him late for school.  Another was about a guy addicted to coffee who is looking for it and doesn't find it until the end.  Mine was about a guy who was tired but something always kept him from sleep.  This kind of thing isn't bad, but I figure each filmmaker is allowed to do only one of this type of film.

More avoids:

Popular music
Horror- VERY hard to pull off.  I've tried.
Title: What NOT to do in a film.
Post by: Recce on November 07, 2003, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: Ravi
Quote from: RecceDamn, and I thought the walking into then away from the camera transition was cool. Sigh.

I saw a feature film where they did this several times.  It got old quickly.

I've also noticed that quite a few student films are about a main character who encounters bad stuff all the way or is on a quest to find something but can't find it until the end (and often with an ironic ending).

Just in my HS communications class I noticed three such films, including one of mine.  One was about a kid whose dog ate his homework, then he kept encountering problems that made him late for school.  Another was about a guy addicted to coffee who is looking for it and doesn't find it until the end.  Mine was about a guy who was tired but something always kept him from sleep.  This kind of thing isn't bad, but I figure each filmmaker is allowed to do only one of this type of film.

More avoids:

Popular music
Horror- VERY hard to pull off.  I've tried.

Well, there's nothing really wrong with doing those kind of concept videos or films, I think. Sure, they suck and when their done, they end up on some crappy VHS tape, never to be viewed by anyone ever again, save you when you feel like laughing at yourself, but they are good learning experiences. I've done one project where two sides of the same guy, good and evil, go to school, unaware of each others existence. So i intercut between the two till they see each other and the evil guy kills the good guy. Then, the evil guy dies with him and i have this cheesy quote that says that good can't exist without evil, like light without dark. Something I got from a comic book. I also had one about a girl who keeps getting teleported into the future by some weird stalker guy, so she kept missing her classes and stuff. Eventually, she goes crazy and beats him to death with a baseball bat next time he tries to teleport her. Then there was the rap music video. Boy, did i regret that one. And, of course, I did the obsessive compulsive man who meticulously plans out every aspect of his life and then comes home to find he has been robbed because he forgot to lock the front door.

But, of course, these projects don't exist. And if any of you says otherwise, I'll hunt you down.