anybody listen to phish?
yes, I dig phish...tho, I can't stand the trustfund dirt ass hippi crowd. Try selling me bunk licks again, pricks! I have dug these guys for a while, and always manage to catch the shows.
You actually made me throw this (http://www.phish.com/drygoods/home/product.html?pid=760CD&cid=5&pg=3) on.
Trey joins dave matthews on the road... (http://phish.com/news/index.php?year=2003#story135)
...yeah I use to be reeal big into them but .I just stoplistening to them for some reason..I think their awesome talents..
i saw them live once back in 1995.....great show..::damn thats a long time ago::
I like phish alot but ive never seen them live. i really like jam bands a lot...seen string cheese a few times and widespread and dmb(if you wanna call em a jam band)...and those were all great show...they're killer musicians
i think that an untapped area of of dork that not enough people make fun of is the typical phish dork. i mean, there are film dorks, theater dorks, school dorks, but the worst kinds of dorks are the phish dorks because they try to base an entire lifestyle around it. let's get high and download a phish show! the band itself is good, but the people who spend way too much time with it piss me off. at least the the film dorks want to make movies, the theater dorks want to act, and school dorks want to get good grades, go to college and make mommie and daddy lots of money. they have ambition. i'd say that there are a lot of phish dorks out there that want to make music of their own, but most just want to cover phish.
in my opinion, the only phish albums that are really enjoyable are rift, billy breathes, and maybe hoist. the jamming gets old after a while. it's something i'd have fun watching my friends play in their basements, not something i'd pay $70 a ticket for.
Quote from: bonanzatazi think that an untapped area of of dork that not enough people make fun of is the typical phish dork. i mean, there are film dorks, theater dorks, school dorks, but the worst kinds of dorks are the phish dorks because they try to base an entire lifestyle around it. let's get high and download a phish show! the band itself is good, but the people who spend way too much time with it piss me off. at least the the film dorks want to make movies, the theater dorks want to act, and school dorks want to get good grades, go to college and make mommie and daddy lots of money. they have ambition. i'd say that there are a lot of phish dorks out there that want to make music of their own, but most just want to cover phish.
in my opinion, the only phish albums that are really enjoyable are rift, billy breathes, and maybe hoist. the jamming gets old after a while. it's something i'd have fun watching my friends play in their basements, not something i'd pay $70 a ticket for.
that was funny ...your right.
HERE ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT I HAVE NOTICED..(EITHER POSITVE OR NEGATIVE DEPENDING ON YOUR VIEW)
1.0 they smoke pot b/c they think it makes them cool
2.0 try to act like a hippy but drive their daddy's tahoe to the shows
3.0 think phish is the greatest band on earth
4.0 typical conversation:"like dude trey was awesome . that note he held on the guitar? damn that was killer. i toked a bowl right afterwords."
5.0 typical conversation #2"yeah , have you heard 4/21/98 , that show had a 45 min. version of tweezer?.."yeah .but on 5/05/00 there was a 54 min . version compltete with dave matthews on guitar as a guest..Now
that was fresh"..
phish is no more
must confess that i'm not a big phish fan... don't know too much about the band. trey is playing with dave matthews and some other people in an upcoming concert series that i may or may not have tickets to see... still waiting to see if the (great and powerful) Warehouse has decided to grant me tickets before they go on sale to the public.
they're playing with Spyboy/Emmylou Harris. anybody know who these people are?
Quote from: samuelclemensphish is no more
no, no, no...they will be back...trust this kid.
I don't mean for this to be overkill, but: Phish stands (stood?) for everything I think pop music SHOULDN'T be.
Moreso than Britney? Well, okay.
What's your deal with "pop music" anyway? Why not just accept it as music alone
Quote from: godardianI don't mean for this to be overkill, but: Phish stands (stood?) for everything I think pop music SHOULDN'T be.
how do you figure it as "POP"???....seriously...
Quote from: aclockworkjjQuote from: godardianI don't mean for this to be overkill, but: Phish stands (stood?) for everything I think pop music SHOULDN'T be.
how do you figure it as "POP"???....seriously...
It's part of popular culture, isn't it? I posted a long explanation about how I don't acknowledge petty, silly distinctions from people who think their sub-genre of pop isn't pop. If you can go to the record store and buy it, it's pop, everything from The Carpenters to The Sex Pistols, from Noel Coward to The Who. I think splitting it up into dull little categories (if I never, ever hear words like "electroclash" or "punk-pop" again, it'll be too soon, and don't even get me started on goddamn "SUB-Pop") betrays a narrow-mindedness and lack of real sophistication on the part of the person doing such categorizing.
To me, there's no emotion in Phish whatsoever. The lyrics and melodies aren't there. It's all technical skill- MERE technical skill, unimpressive and irrelevant as instrumental proficiency is for this type of music- stretched out to lengths of ungodly boredom. It's worse than Radiohead! You need drugs to enjoy it. You need to have it in a special little category of musicianship to enjoy it. It doesn't stand on its own the way the best pop music does.
I will say that, little as I actually care for Britney Spears, she understands more important things about making records than Phish does. And her stage antics may be ridiculously stupid, but not as ridiculously stupid as jumping on trampolines and employing vacuum cleaners.
The only pro with Phish that I can think of is that they have a better Ben and Jerry's flavor than Britney.
Quote from: tremolosloth
What's your deal with "pop music" anyway?
It's awfully important to me; I'd count it as a fairly vital part of my life and worldview. I've found myself moved by a particularly spectacular pop song in a way nothing else can move me. I don't think Phish exists in the same world as that ideal, though. They display no understanding of it.
Quote from: tremoloslothWhat's your deal with "pop music" anyway?
He's gay.
Quote from: NewtronQuote from: tremoloslothWhat's your deal with "pop music" anyway?
He's gay.
Does that mean Phish is a "straight thing," then?
I like my explanation better, both of what pop music is and what Phish is. I'd hate to begrudge straight people the opportunity to be moved and compelled by a really good record... and I know some who have excellent taste in music, and whose revulsion toward the wearying noodling of pointless jam-bands well surpasses my own.
Straight or gay, Phish is a terrible band that makes terrible records. Their songs would be so bad they're funny, except those are some loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong, creaky jokes... :? '
I can't stand the Grateful Dead, either. If you don't have anything interesting or relevant to say, why take 20 minutes per song to say it?
I guess I can see where you are coming from....their lyrics are goofy, goofy, goofy....I don't know if I would consider them pop though still....
I like this (http://www.momadance.com/music/1993%20-%205%20Shows/02-20-93%20Roxy%20Theater%20-%20Atlanta%20GA/ph93-02-20d3t04.mp3) a lot though...sure, it makes littel sense, but I don't find it too "poppy"...
Quote from: NewtronHe's gay.
was that necessary?
I don't like Phish either, and while I agree for the most part with Godardian's assesment, I will admit that it can be fun to listen to really talented musicians riff off each other. Good jazz is a better example, but jam bands work on the same principal, to an extent. From a technical POV, you don't have toe be on drugs to enjoy them. Not that I DO enjoy them, because they sorta annoy me.
I do, however, enjoy Tortoise.
I've never even heard Phish
well, I saw them on SNL, but I don't remember it (no I wasn't high trying to enjoy phish haw haw)
But I was just taking the opportunity to understand Godardian's point of view..of which I disagree
Godardian is correct to an extent. Pop music, short for popular, encompasses everything that captures the affection of the public. But it's also a genre unto itself. Plenty of music majors have probably studied the trends and could analyze it far better than I, but there's just something about music that classifies it as pop. It doesn't necessarily mean shallow, it's simply in the sound. A given pop song can then be broken down by its various influences, resulting in all those sub-genres.
If we take the literal definition of pop music to heart, what happens when pop music isn't popular anymore? Do The Who go back to simply being Rock? What do you call Britney Spears' music?Dance/electronica/virginal/erotica?
Quote from: tremoloslothI've never even heard Phish
start with Gamehendge (http://raffstafarian.homeip.net/D/mp3/phish%2093-03-22%20Gamehendge/)....
I've never heard Phish, don't like Fish, but love the Ben and Jerry's flavor Phish Food (based on the band)...
Nick
Quote from: godardianI can't stand the Grateful Dead, either.
and you were REALLY becoming one of my favorite members of the board.
Quote from: bonanzatazQuote from: godardianI can't stand the Grateful Dead, either.
and you were REALLY becoming one of my favorite members of the board.
:cry:
...you a Deadhead?
proud of it. i would start a thread about it, but i just feel like it's pointless to talk about why you love the music you love. it either clicks or it doesn't. for me, they click in a BIG way. the dead can usually wrap their songs up when they're needed to, unlike phish who keep the jams going FOREVER. the only thing i don't like about the dead are those elongated drum solos. same for both of my parents who say that's when they would go to the bathroom.
Quote from: bonanzatazunlike phish who keep the jams going FOREVER.
apparently you haven't heard sume versions of Dark Star, Space, or the Cryptical Envelopment-->drums-->Cryptical-->The Other One...or Help-->Slip-->Frank.....etc., etc....
ps. The Dead w/ Pigpen was the best...
well apparently, you didn't read what i said. i said they wrap it up when they need to. their jams have purpose and emotion (which is what godardian complained about, phish having no emotion) and aren't about being technically awesome (which they are). i can listen to a dark star jam all the way through and not get sick of it (though, and i know a really good deadhead wouldn't say this, but i prefer the concise, to the point tracks on their studio albums).
Quote from: bonanzataz(though, and i know a really good deadhead wouldn't say this, but i prefer the concise, to the point tracks on their studio albums).
oh no...I don't believe...kinda makes an opinion lose it's otherwise ooommmpff.
Just giving ya shit...
Here (http://www.hyperorange.com/dead_3_31_94/dead_standing_on_the_moon.mp3) is a perfect example of something that shoulda only been played live...the only tune I can possibly think of that I would rather hear the studio version...is Shakedown St.
However: I will completly agree if you perfer the studio stuff cause of quality, nothing pisses me off more than a shitty sounding show.
Although I scrolled quickly through most of it... why would anybody spend time writing about Phish.... I live way too close to Vermont and the whole hippie shit thing. If you're a fan... you're just looking for other fans.
Phish is really a phucking boring band. The term "Jam band" makes me want to vomit.
I saw too many of my good friends turn into phucking hippies after highschool to even remotely enjoy Phish.
Gratefull Dead is certainly not my thing. Sad thing about the Dead is that thier best songs are the short and sweet radio songs. If you write a thousand songs, I guess a few are gonna end up sounding good and the rest is just filler for the million stoners out there.
As far as Pop goes, I can see what Godardian's saying, but he's taking it too far. Pop is Top 40. The basic key to being a pop band is having a video on MTV (if you're post 70s that is). I don't think Phish has any videos on MTV, but I don't know... they certainly don't cry Pop. They do make me sleepy though.
they made a video for down with disease.
I think there is a Bouncin' around the room one out there too...