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Would a world without art be unlivable?

probably. a world WITH art is barely livable

Agree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

Ok...without paintings there wouldn't be films...That's where it started.

I don't really believe paintings are pointless but I really can't see the fascination with 'em either...

art is everything, out of fear of sounding like bjork

but art has and always will exist in some form or another, and the more primitive the better

art in school is somewhat a joke , you have it or you dont and some fag hippy pony tail dude wont teach you it

james jamerson the worlds greatest bass player ever, you know how he got started as a kid he took a twig tied a ruber band to it and would play in a ant hole to make the ants dance

that kind of creativity you cant learn , so when people say that shit about art in school being in trouble i roll my eyes, because most of the best music in the world came from guys who didnt learn in school

what music class did james brown take, ??? he took the school of follow your gut and their ass's will follow

pta quit film school, tarantino and the singer beck never went to highschool

life is school, want to make movies watch movies, want to make music listen to music

and dont let some hippy fag tell you what is a good song or movie and what is a bad song or movie

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesart in school is somewhat a joke , you have it or you dont and some fag hippy pony tail dude wont teach you it

No one can teach you inspiration, but you can always be taught the technical stuff, the history, the philosophy, etc.

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Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesart in school is somewhat a joke , you have it or you dont and some fag hippy pony tail dude wont teach you it

No one can teach you inspiration, but you can always be taught the technical stuff, the history, the philosophy, etc.

are you my ying now, follow me around and retort in a retard fashion

here comes my retort , sadlly people like yourself go to school to be taught what to say and think , look back at your threads and all your many quotes you picked up from school

and yes you can learn technical stuff all daya nd night, but if you have nothing to say , whats the point

even a great DP Must be a artist with inspiration, its not enough to know how to use a camera , its about when and why you use it and that you can not learn

now go quote Aristotle, and show off daddys money

i used my dads cash to go to st barts and im still 3000 steps ahead of you, i guess when i make films i will hire guys like you to proof read my scripts, and hold the camera

but hold it  the way I Tell you to hold it, then go get me a fucking coke

Dude, I think JB was just telling the truth.  What's the problem?

Opinions...it's all about opinions...

you can't just bash people because theirs differs from yours.

Freedom of speech as it's called.

Quote from: PawbloeDude, I think JB was just telling the truth.  What's the problem?

no prob, he has a point

but like i said you can learn to operate the most complicated equipment in the world and if you have no vision whats the point

brett ratner and micheal bay, two film school guys and you guys hate them

some people feel that the best music producer in the world is lee scratch perry and that guy i dont think ever went to kidnagarden?

and phill spector would of flunked out of music production school with his ideas back then

so my point is you have it or you dont, you cant learn it

as far as me and JB I think he is just trolling me trying ti pick fights to get me banned, but just to show you how un afraid i am even in this crucial state ( some people know what i am talking about)  , im still sticking to my guns and not kissing ass

Quote from: kotteOpinions...it's all about opinions...

you can't just bash people because theirs differs from yours.

Freedom of speech as it's called.

No, bud, you missed what I just said.  Just like Alguien missed the point of what JB said.  

It doesn't matter anyway.  This isn't my argument.

instead of being offended, why don't you just diss back? life is more fun that way.

The best artist I know is the prick who works 9-5 at Burger King flipping hamburgers and putting together that whopper for me. For the best whopper is a work of a great artist. He is a middle aged asian immigrant who most likely sends the money he makes to his family back home so they can live better than all their peers. This artist did not visit any university to learn and understand the ins and outs of a whopper construction, but he went on instinct and guidance from his boss. From all the pseudo-whoppers he's tasted before in Asia. Now when I go to Burger King and eat his whoppers with cheese, I not only eat the whopper, but I digest this asian man's soul and passion.

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I don't really believe paintings are pointless but I really can't see the fascination with 'em either...

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Quote from: phil marloweinstead of being offended, why don't you just diss back? life is more fun that way.

they cant it would be funny if they did but i would knock em out


" im so offended" god i love doing that to weak people

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Quote from: kotteOpinions...it's all about opinions...

you can't just bash people because theirs differs from yours.

Freedom of speech as it's called.

No, bud, you missed what I just said.  Just like Alguien missed the point of what JB said.  

It doesn't matter anyway.  This isn't my argument.

Sorry...wasn't about your post...Alguien's...

rustinglass: I see your point...but I'm interested in knowing what it means to life.

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rustinglass: I see your point...but I'm interested in knowing what it means to life.

It makes it more beautiful. Life cannot be if not beautiful.Aren't you better off having seen it?
art is the interpretation of the artist on his own experience, after seeing it , it becomes a part of you.

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rustinglass: I see your point...but I'm interested in knowing what it means to life.

It makes it more beautiful. Life cannot be if not beautiful.Aren't you better off having seen it?
art is the interpretation of the artist on his own experience, after seeing it , it becomes a part of you.

I didn't see it that way...but it's true...I don't think I've spent enough time thinking about art as art and not the commercialized version of it, movies and music as we know it.

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rustinglass: I see your point...but I'm interested in knowing what it means to life.

It makes it more beautiful. Life cannot be if not beautiful.Aren't you better off having seen it?
art is the interpretation of the artist on his own experience, after seeing it , it becomes a part of you.

I didn't see it that way...but it's true...I don't think I've spent enough time thinking about art as art and not the commercialized version of it, movies and music as we know it.

uh ohh the anti commercialized version speach , thats a bad sign

art is expression
how we could live without expressing ourselves?????

Quote from: Vile5art is expression
how we could live without express ourselves?????

and shallow people have very little to expresss

so they can take their daddys money and go to film school and nothing will happen

cept maybe they will proof read my scripts, and wash my dog

Alguien, while you have a very valid point, it sounds like you have the same exact problem all those "shallow film school kids" do. That is, you think there is only ONE valid way to become a filmmaker. That's bullshit.

You make it sound as if going through a film program somehow magically erases all your creative passion and turns you into a mindless Hollywood drone. That opinion is just as shallow as the idiot kid who goes to film school thinking they are going to learn what to make movies about.

You name two director/producers who have gone through film school and made crap and then compare them to two directors who dropped out and become gods as if that proves your point. What about these guys?

Darren Aronofsky
David Lynch
Terrence Malick
Paul Schrader
Robert Elswit

All went through film school and don't quite seem to be "Hollywood drones". Shit, Robert Elswit is even PTA's DP. My point is, there are many different paths to get to become a filmmaker and one doesn't make you any more of a "real filmmaker" than another.

Ok, go to an art gallery. look at some of the old paintings of battles. Like the huge wall size paintings which might have even taken the whole of the painters life to finish. And then tell me that you don't feel a stir of emotion.

Ok, maybe huge powerful paintings don't do it for you. But I can assure you that some kind of painting will stir something in you. You just look.

Art is everthing to me. It's not just in paintings and pictures, it's in sculptures, photos, food, clothes, etc.. the list goes on.

Also, you got to be some kind or form of artist to make films. Creativity is everywhere. If you can't appreciate art, then what the hell do you appreciate? Ummm..... nothing?

I have a strange feeling that you're trying to start a fight with me, Pantalones. Is there any difference between what you're really saying and this?...

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanNo one can teach you inspiration, but you can always be taught the technical stuff, the history, the philosophy, etc.

Now... Anachronism has taught us that your posts consist of (1) non-arguments, and (2) personal attacks to disguise lack of substance

For example:

NON-ARGUMENTS

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesand yes you can learn technical stuff all daya nd night, but if you have nothing to say , whats the point

I completely agree with that.

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneseven a great DP Must be a artist with inspiration, its not enough to know how to use a camera , its about when and why you use it and that you can not learn

I completely agree with that.


Now, let's move on to...

PERSONAL ATTACKS TO DISGUISE LACK OF SUBSTANCE

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesnow go quote Aristotle, and show off daddys money

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesi used my dads cash to go to st barts and im still 3000 steps ahead of you, i guess when i make films i will hire guys like you to proof read my scripts, and hold the camera

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesbut hold it  the way I Tell you to hold it, then go get me a fucking coke

A coca-cola, you ask? I tend to go with the lighter sodas (and by lighter I mean the non-syrupy black colas. Usually orange soda and sprite, or 7-up). Sometimes though, it's necessary to drink a coca cola. In a social situation if the host has coke, I usually choose coke, maybe alcohol to the side, some red wine unless it's imposing.

Quote from: mindfuckAlguien, while you have a very valid point.

yes yes i do thank you, here i will forward to you a PM I sent to sonowthen a film student and my closest xixax friend

QuoteP.S

I am not anti film school, i am anti those phoneys who walk in a blank page and expect to have the teacher fill in their opinions for them


marty went to film school, but first he was a kid with ashtma, so he had to stay home and watch a lot of differnt kinds of movies like howard hawks and since he was italian he would watch films his parents would watch from italy

that was passion baby, he loved movies as a kid and thats why he went to film school

but the key was he loved movies, all kinds not just the hip cool ones


i love movies

i sent him that PM Hours before you wrote your post by the way

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesuh ohh the anti commercialized version speach , thats a bad sign

uh oh. don't u make those fuckin speeches all the time?

really dude, u gotta get ur act together, here's a tip: make a list of not just ppl that u want to fight with, but the qualities that make u hate a person. it seems ur saying kotte sounding like urself is a bad sign.

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Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesuh ohh the anti commercialized version speach , thats a bad sign

uh oh. don't u make those fuckin speeches all the time?

really dude, u gotta get ur act together, here's a tip: make a list of not just ppl that u want to fight with, but the qualities that make u hate a person. it seems ur saying kotte sounding like urself is a bad sign.

all i said was i hope this is not gonna be some kid going off on asthon kutcher films and telling us how werner herzog is his god even though he has never really seen any of his films

Quote from: kotteI don't really believe paintings are pointless but I really can't see the fascination with 'em either...

Before you give up on being fascinated by paintings, check out Surrealism and Expressionism. And go to any modern art museum. Too many people are barraged with (and thus bored by) classic stuff.

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Quote from: kotteI don't really believe paintings are pointless but I really can't see the fascination with 'em either...

Before you give up on being fascinated by paintings, check out Surrealism and Expressionism. And go to any modern art museum. Too many people are barraged with (and thus bored by) classic stuff.

paintings are great and era by era you had good and bad

to me the 80's art scene was a joke Julian Schnabel and basquiet and all that

but some great stuff came out of that era , and some great stuff came from 1745

Anachronism can teach nobody anything that has not been taught already by somebody else

he brings nothing original to the site and you guys are licking his nuts , what ??? is he one of those dogma95 guys  in disguise ??

why are you guys kissing this second rate godardians ass

he has brought nothing of substance to this site, he is interchangable and un original


the world wide web is filled with people who act and say the exact same things

and im trying to make this site set itself apart from other shitty message boards

well i was, im thinking about backing off ::yawns:: if you guys want to ruin this site go ahead

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneshe brings nothing original to the site and you guys are licking his nuts

mmmmm....

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneswell i was, im thinking about backing off ::yawns:: if you guys want to ruin this site go ahead

the only one who is ruining this site is u with ur constant replies and attacks at what almost everyone says.

the 3 things u do, and this is all u ever do:
- say "pc nazi." when u don't know what the fuck ur tlaking about, JB hasn't been touching ur posts, Picolas didn't touch ur posts, i'm beginning to think ur editing ur own shit and blaming ur "enemies" just to get ppl on ur side.
- praise urself. i've never seen sumone stroke their own cock as much as u. u think ur improving the site, tell me ONE way that what u've been doing these last couple of weeks has improved the site, "ME" actually used to say smart and interesting things before u chose him to be ur weekly enemy. u are ruining every thread u post on by making it about urself and how misunderstood u are and how great ur plight is.
- give up when no one agrees with u and resort to changing the subject by way of (refer to #1). anachronism made great points about what u represent and moreso what ur becoming. u started out great, in small doses u brought sum nice attitude to an otherwise dreary topic. that is, before u became sum fuckin thread killing monster, shit man, u hav become delluded about everything that u do. and don't think this is a sudden turn/betrayal, i've been telling u for weeks that if u don't expand or try to change ur persona there would be bad consequences. and well here it is, only the losers occasionally like u, and xixax, and even then ur scaring them away by constantly displaying unjustified arrogance and blatant ignorance.

part of being great is having humility, and u've never shown that. now ur gonna cry and make a big scene about leaving, about how the board will suck when u go. dude this week u've become the worst part of this place. there hav been almost NO funny posts or humor anywhere, u've killed it all because u can't admit that yes what anachronism said was right, and u DO need to change. fuck it. u'll prolly call me pc shit now too, ur so predictable.

first of all say what you will about my ego and my lack of respect for other peoples opinions when i think their dumb

but dont call me a liar

i have been edited , sometimes i deserved it like i created a thread explaining that mesh is fagoneis for " i love man ass"

other times i was edited for reasons that are petty

call me anything just not a liar, ive put my balls on the line many a time here to risk it all

my credibility is all i have

p you need to chill for real

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesmy credibility is all i have

then u hav nothing, u don't want it to end here do u.. way to ignore half the things i said.. u don't admit that u kill everything?

Quotep you need to chill for real

that is fucking fresh. really.

why is Anachronism so important to you

and dont worry about my credibility xixax aint life

but should i stay here  i can tear down my rep and re build it stronger when ever i feel like it

dude pubrick ::shakes head:: go ahead line up with the ***THIS IS EDITING FUCKER... NO NEED TO LIE ABOUT THIS ONE ***

I guess it is how you define art.  The basics: Film, canvas, clay, clef notes.
The one most influentual to me...Photography.  Although same can be said for all the above, I feel it's principals capture all of what we define art as.  In essence, it is a still image similar to that of a blink.  Even the lens follows after the construction of our eye.  It is a replica of us, what we see, what we choose to see, and how we want to capture that moment.  As it's always the "moment" in which inspiration is derived.  And with all art, it stems from what we know...we know what we see....what we see makes us feel..as well as what we hear can make us feel...and ever just close your eyes and smell?

But I see art in a lot of things that most wouldn't necessarly consider art.

Being:
nature- the leaves changing color, a cool looking rock
people- the facial expressions they make, the texture of their hands
animals- there is something artful about the way a cat licks it paw
food- the fancy meal that you don't wanna ruin, the way the toppin's are on a pizza
inanimate objects- the colors a prism casts, or the way a newspaper turns yellow

ever notice something just amazing?...and then just watch, and see how everyone else just brushes past it, as if it didn't even exist.

So..

Quote from: kotteWould a world without art be unlivable?

yes, cause I would not want to live without all my senses, art plays with them all.   The only way to get rid of art is to get rid of these.  Pull the plug.

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalones***THIS IS EDITING FUCKER... NO NEED TO LIE ABOUT THIS ONE ***

point proved , just like orsen wells i get slapped for taking on the powers that be

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point proved , just like orsen wells i get slapped for taking on the powers that be

Except that you are rebelling against a fucking INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD. Jesus, get some perspective. No need to rebel just for the sake of rebelling.

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point proved , just like orsen wells i get slapped for taking on the powers that be

Except that you are rebelling against a fucking INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD. Jesus, get some perspective. No need to rebel just for the sake of rebelling.

no this is my public diary, that your great grand children will be reading in school

and sadlly  im being slapped in real life as well by much more important people , they love my work but they dare to ask me to change some things ........... those fools

stay tuned , orsen was more stubern then me , i will have sonowthen protect me from myself by dealing with the big wigs

because even marty couldnt fuck with harvy weinstein

i will just create and let others deal with the buisness aspect, because i would go nuts over shit like budgets and the Schedule

stay tuned

Quote from: aclockworkjjever notice something just amazing?...and then just watch, and see how everyone else just brushes past it, as if it didn't even exist.

its a beautiful feeling

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rustinglass: I see your point...but I'm interested in knowing what it means to life.

It makes it more beautiful. Life cannot be if not beautiful.Aren't you better off having seen it?
art is the interpretation of the artist on his own experience, after seeing it , it becomes a part of you.

I didn't see it that way...but it's true...I don't think I've spent enough time thinking about art as art and not the commercialized version of it, movies and music as we know it.

uh ohh the anti commercialized version speach , thats a bad sign

I don't wanna encourage you to reply but what the hell?

I'm not talking about anti-commercialization. I was having an art discussion.

I believe movies and music are commercialized versions of art and paintings the opposite...but I never said anything about being anti...


I think this thread has gave a new perspective on paintings...that's good.

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesAnachronism can teach nobody anything that has not been taught already by somebody else

he brings nothing original to the site and you guys are licking his nuts , what ??? is he one of those dogma95 guys  in disguise ??

why are you guys kissing this second rate godardians ass

he has brought nothing of substance to this site, he is interchangable and un original


the world wide web is filled with people who act and say the exact same things

and im trying to make this site set itself apart from other shitty message boards

What up, Genius?

What up, what up, dawg?

Quote from: kotteIs Soderbergh lying?

..Nah.         he is standing up..

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point proved , just like orsen wells i get slapped for taking on the powers that be

Except that you are rebelling against a fucking INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD. Jesus, get some perspective. No need to rebel just for the sake of rebelling.

no this is my public diary, that your great grand children will be reading in school

and sadlly  im being slapped in real life as well by much more important people , they love my work but they dare to ask me to change some things ........... those fools

stay tuned , orsen was more stubern then me , i will have sonowthen protect me from myself by dealing with the big wigs

because even marty couldnt fuck with harvy weinstein

i will just create and let others deal with the buisness aspect, because i would go nuts over shit like budgets and the Schedule

stay tuned

Even though Harvey had Marty put in the whole "kiss her, bite him" love scene in Gangs, I firmly believe that he let Marty have 99% his own way.

Since Harvey is a marketing genius, I believe he made up the whole "fighting with Marty on set" thing to sell tickets. And it worked. Gangs maybe wasn't the most successful, but it did good business, and people who have no clue what it's really about constantly tell me it was their favorite movie of last year. He took a Marty movie (which never do well, barring a few bizarre exceptions) and made something out of it commercially.

So Marty gets to do his dream project (and only has to give up one scene), and Harvey gets some more bucks AND gets to work with a living legend, and all they had to do was pretend they had a little fight.

That's my theory, anyway.

Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

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Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

Whoa man, did you read the thread as it progressed?  He's opening himself up to paintings

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Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

Hehe...not really but I guess your right. But hell, I just admitted I've gained a new outlook on art, "The old version" :)

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Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

Hehe...not really but I guess your right. But hell, I just admitted I've gained a new outlook on art, "The old version" :)

dont be swayed so easy , think for yourself


i love paintings , but still

i hate people who change their opinions on the drop of a dime

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Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

Hehe...not really but I guess your right. But hell, I just admitted I've gained a new outlook on art, "The old version" :)

dont be swayed so easy , think for yourself


i love paintings , but still

i hate people who change their opinions on the drop of a dime

That's not what I did...Paintings are one thing I've known nothing about. I do think for myself...Ok. I needed a push from someone else to make me understand paintings...

And since it was that easy I guess it was in my mind the whole time but I had problems expressing it.

Maybe you should try viewing some online gallerys? here are some suggestions.

try this one (sandro botticelli):
http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/botticel/

see la primavera and jethro's daughters , two of my favourite works of art of all time.

If you want to take a look into surrealism, joan miró is my favourite:
http://www.callihan.com/art/miro.html

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Quote from: kotteAgree with that...

Paintings. Why are paintings important? I don't think I could manage without music, movies etc but paintings...why are they important?

spoken perfectly by a product of the 20th century. you should be proud of yourself -- someone raised you well -- just out of curiosity, do you refer to your television as Daddy?

Hehe...not really but I guess your right. But hell, I just admitted I've gained a new outlook on art, "The old version" :)

dont be swayed so easy , think for yourself


i love paintings , but still

i hate people who change their opinions on the drop of a dime

. I do think for myself....

your first post you said pretty much that you want to be a pta clone look at your pic

come on, i feel good vibes from you, why else have i not ripped into you im trying to help

you seem like a nice guy

Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesyour first post you said pretty much that you want to be a pta clone look at your pic

come on, i feel good vibes from you, why else have i not ripped into you im trying to help

you seem like a nice guy

Thanks for picking up my vibes....

No, I never said I wanted to be a PTA clone. I consciously had to repress my PTA-feelings (and what did that sound like? :) ). All this repression emerged into something of a writer's block. I knew I needed my own style but when I tried, I found my self thinking "is this something PTA would like?". I didn't want to feel this way and I certainly didn't try to write like him but I think all of this were a product  of having matched his films constantly for 6 month's or so.

Hey, what's up with disliking my picture??? :)

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I believe movies and music are commercialized versions of art and paintings the opposite...

'Art' and paintings aren't made to sell then?

My God, it's a great pleasure to have you back.  :kiss:

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I believe movies and music are commercialized versions of art and paintings the opposite...

'Art' and paintings aren't made to sell then?

Well sure, but not to the general public but a cultural elite.
But then some movies are too. Magnolia wasn't appreciated by the general public. A friend was actually offended by Magnolia because she didn't understand it and felt stupified.

I'm not really sure what I meant by 'commercialized versions of art'. I think I was speaking from my own head and how I felt about paintings. I think something commercial is easy to absorb like movies and music.

I think I could be wrong when I said 'commercialized versions' when I think about it...this is turning into useless rambling. I'll let you guys take over and put me into place.

PS. I just watched Network. It's great DS.

That was the most depressing reply I've ever had.

Quote from: budgieThat was the most depressing reply I've ever had.

thanks

Quote from: kotteI think something commercial is easy to absorb like movies and music.

I think a good painting is much easier to absorb than something like, umm, Kangaroo Jack. The mainstream audience has been trained to be intimidated by art, when there is nothing to be intimidated by.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThe mainstream audience has been trained to be intimidated by art, when there is nothing to be intimidated by.

The mainstream audience isn't intimidated by art; they are intimidated by artists and the art community.  They hold art as to be only for intellectuals and philosophers.  Mainstream audiences are turned off by that, and for good reason.

It works the same way with film critics.

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Quote from: kotteI think something commercial is easy to absorb like movies and music.

I think a good painting is much easier to absorb than something like, umm, Kangaroo Jack.

I don't know about that. Ok, sitting through Kangaroo Jack can certainly feel life-wasting and ass-soaring but most people don't know what to look for in a painting. People may be impressed by how good an artist is but that's not enough to keep people in galleries or museums.
For most people a painting is something very concrete, something that looks good but does nothing emotionally.