We've started a weekly editorial at MovieNavigator. To see our first installment go to:
http://movienavigator.org/editorial.htm
That text needs to be darker.
And your editorial was wandering, baseless, and had no point. And Finding Nemo was brilliant. Sheesh.
make your screen darker. :)
Quote from: mutinycomake your screen darker. :)
No. As a web designer, it's your responsibility to cater to your users. Not the other way around. Try picking up a web design book or something. I had to highlight all the text just to be able to read it.
Actually, you're the only person who's complained. Most people have offered compliments. I, myself, like gray. It stays. Sorry you had trouble reading it.
You're right. It was wandering and baseless. It was intentional. It's merely a series of thoughts. Anything I think about that's worthy of tighter plotting and greater elaboration would wind up as a full-length essay.
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I wound up turning off 2001: A Space Odyssey after 25 minutes. If this is one of the best films ever made, then we're in worse shape than I thought. Under no circumstance should a movie featuring a bunch of monkeys eating and beating each other up be considered the best film. Twenty-five minutes of these stupid simians going about their daily lives was more than I could handle. The plotting was predictable and, technique aside, what I saw was insipid.
Great pic, modernage! :yabbse-thumbup:
And if you want a little more constructive criticism, good editorials should have some sort of goal in mind. What you have there is not an editorial. It's a ramble, and you could easily make three well-thought-out editorials out of it if you took the time and effort. But this is not something you should pass off as good writing. I remember your great essay on Eyes Wide Shut. That's what you should strive for. No one wants to read rambles. They're akin to blogs, and 99.9% of those are boring, too.
Thanks about EWS. But this was exactly what I intended it to be. Yes, it was more in the form of a blog. But that's how I'm approaching it -- as I said, if I have anything of any length to say, I'd simply write is as its own essay. (We do have an essay page.) But for this, all I intended for it was a jumble of ideas. Most of the articles at the site take a while to do -- transcribing, writing, photography, illustration. It feels good just to write something loose and rambling.
And as for the picture, rock on!
Though the 2001 bit was kinda dumb.
From the editorial: "I miss fighting and fucking in movies. Finding Nemo certainly could’ve used a bit of that."
Where is any logic in that?
~rougerum
Well, what exactly didn't you understand? I miss when movies showed fighting and fucking. I sarcastically suggested Finding Nemo would've been better if it had had some.
Is the sky still blue?
Quote from: mutinycoThough the 2001 bit was kinda dumb.
i believe i was suggesting that you cant judge a movie by the first 25 minutes.
Generally speaking you're right. I don't like cartoons to begin with. But my feeling was that if I'm paying I want my money's worth. I have no threshold for cutesy cartoons.
Quote from: mutinycoGenerally speaking you're right. I don't like cartoons to begin with. But my feeling was that if I'm paying I want my money's worth. I have no threshold for cutesy cartoons.
That is not a justified argument.
I'm in my mid twenties. I do not relate to children's entertainment. Especially simplistic and emotionally manipulative children's entertainment.
Also, I couldn't bear the tought of spending 90 minutes with Albert Brooks' character.
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2) If you would have stayed, you would see that the film switches between POVs quite often, so the time spent with Marlin isn't nearly as painful as you make it out to be. And yes, he lightens up, thanks to good ol' Dory.
3) Finding Nemo is far from children's entertainment. Like Monsters Inc., the writing is witty, inspired, and just because it's animated does it in any way mean it's only for children.
4) I am in my mid-twenties, too, and loved pretty much every minute of the film. There's nothing wrong with that. It's better than growing old and forgetting how to laugh and have a good time, and remembering what it's like to be a kid. Some of the best films of all time are animated films: from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves to Who Framed Roger Rabbit. And ten or twenty years from now, all the gems that Pixar keeps churning out will have that same high acclaim. And for the most part, they do now already from critics and the general public. They're classics in the making.
5) If you're gonna criticize a film, at least sit through it first. Finding Nemo gets better and better as time passes. But you've first got to get the idea out of your head that you're somehow above it. Pixar makes the kind of movies that adults and kids alike can relate to. This is especially the case with Finding Nemo and Monsters, Inc., their two best films.
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2) Finding Nemo is far from children's entertainment. Like Monsters Inc., the writing is witty, inspired, and just because it's animated does it in any way mean it's only for children.
3) I am in my mid-twenties, too, and loved pretty much every minute of the film. There's nothing wrong with that. It's better than growing old and forgetting how to laugh and have a good time, and remember what it's like to be a kid. Some of the best films of all time are animated films: from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves to Who Framed Roger Rabbit. And ten or twenty years from now, all the gems that Pixar keeps churning out will have that same high acclaim. And for the most part, they do now already from critics and the general public. They're classics in the making.
If you're gonna criticize a film, at least sit through it first. Finding Nemo gets better and better as time passes. But you've first got to get the idea out of your head that you're somehow above it. Pixar makes the kind of movies that adults and kids alike can relate to. This is especially the case with Finding Nemo and Monsters, Inc., their two best films.
:yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup:
and i dont give 2 thumbs up haphazardly so u should feel privledged.
Thank you.
I fully understand your argument. However, I've never enjoyed animation that much. Whether we're talking early/mid-'90s Disney or even The Simpsons. I just don't enjoy watching it. I thought Spirited Away was well-done, but I still had to force myself to sit through it. I've had girls drag me to see Disney movies -- I sit there blankly, then once I leave the theater I can't remember anything I've seen. I didn't spend my childhood watching these movies, so I don't relate them to my inner child. I was more interested in live action, as when I was growing up it was the first blockbuster golden age.
I'm not saying the animation at Pixar isn't excellent or that their writing isn't witty. I'm saying that Nemo is primarily intended for little kids. No matter how sophisticated it is, it's still designed for 5 year olds -- and with that it retains the same simple-minded emotional manipulation that most Disney animated films offer.
It's just not my thing. If I wanna be reminded of my childhood I'll watch E.T. or Gremlins or something.
look, saying you dont like animation is like saying you dont like to read subtitles. of course you're allowed to your opinion, but in doing so, are cutting yourself off from a lot of good movies. which, is fine if you like being close-minded, go right ahead.
pixar however, as we've stated before, is NOT DESIGNED FOR FIVE YEAR OLDS. it IS designed with five year olds in mind (hence no fucking and fighting), but is also designed with teenagers in mind, and adults, and grandparents. pixar makes their movies for everyone. there are jokes in there designed to go way over 5 year olds heads, so that parents wont be bored sitting through their movies either. but what i cant understand is, if you dont like animated movies, why did you even bother watching 25 minutes of this?
Quote from: mutinycoI've never enjoyed animation that much. Whether we're talking early/mid-'90s Disney or even The Simpsons. I just don't enjoy watching it.
You're not implying that The Simpsons is aimed at kids, are you?
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Die! You inhuman, cartoon-hating so-and-so.
The Cartoon Network is among the three greatest stations on television.
Quote from: mutinycoI fully understand your argument. However, I've never enjoyed animation that much. Whether we're talking early/mid-'90s Disney or even The Simpsons. I just don't enjoy watching it. I thought Spirited Away was well-done, but I still had to force myself to sit through it. I've had girls drag me to see Disney movies -- I sit there blankly, then once I leave the theater I can't remember anything I've seen. I didn't spend my childhood watching these movies, so I don't relate them to my inner child. I was more interested in live action, as when I was growing up it was the first blockbuster golden age.
I'm not saying the animation at Pixar isn't excellent or that their writing isn't witty. I'm saying that Nemo is primarily intended for little kids. No matter how sophisticated it is, it's still designed for 5 year olds -- and with that it retains the same simple-minded emotional manipulation that most Disney animated films offer.
It's just not my thing. If I wanna be reminded of my childhood I'll watch E.T. or Gremlins or something.
I don't see how Finding Nemo is any more emotionally manipulative than, say a shitty romantic comedy or any other crappy blockbuster. movies, on an extremely basic level, are supposed to be emotionally manipulative. And I'd have to disagree with you: I don't think Finding Nemo is geared towards five year olds. I found (when I went to the theater anyway) that adults
and children were laughing (albeit at different parts.)
But that's just my take on things. :)
I haven't seen Nemo, but if I had to say what comes to mind when anybody uses the phrase "simple minded emotional manipulation", it's one name: Spielberg. But that's just one man's opinion.
You REALLY don't get Spielberg.
You REALLY dont get Animation.
I get animation. The first film I ever did was a stop-motion clay-mation short at age 12. I'm certainly not being close-minded by not liking animation. It's just not my cup of tea. I believe Pauline Kael once said that she drew the line at Disney films. :)
Okay, I DID like early Beavis and Butt-head...
Also, the old animated version of The Hobbit...
Quote from: mutinycoOkay, I DID like early Beavis and Butt-head...
FINALLY, something we agree on.
In that case...
I don't have anything against animation. I just don't enjoy watching it at feature-length. I prefer shorts like the old Chuck Jones Looney Toons. Besides, anybody taking what I said in that rambling editorial too seriously needs to lighten up.