this is really really sick...
A November 18th release date for the T3: Rise Of The Machines DVD is already on the cards according to DavisDVD.
seeing it tomorrow
Quote from: cecil b. dementedseeing it tomorrow
me too
Very dissapointing. Not in the "this isn't T2!" sense, since no one expects that, but in the "What has Mostow done?!" frame of mind. T3 parodies the first two films, essentially. Thus, it marginalizes the drama and leaves the story and characters out to dry. I didn't care for anything that happened. It was directed small, which I hoped for, but its content was epic and big, threaded from T2. And I love Mostow. I thought Breakdown and U-571 were both fantastic accomplishments and really demonstrated his abilities to hold his audience with suspense and tension. I kind of expected his strengths to come into play here, as well. Instead it was, "what if we put a toutou on Arnie?" Not that it happens, but it comes...close. It was like everybody decided that because they couldn't top the second, they'd go in the opposite direction and take a shit on the franchise.
But I'm also in the minority on this one. Reviews I've read have all been positive, which really had me hoping.
I don't think it's THAT bad...but it's not that great. 'Breakdown' and 'U-571' were both good action films, but they were essentially very good B-movies. This continues in that trend The action was good, but not very engaging. Thjis is because the story -- well, there isn't one, really. It's a single situation that manages to stretch out for two hours. Cameron took a B-movie idea and, with T2, turned it into something really memorable and great. This one is sort of just attache. When this one works, it's purely for nostalgic purposes. I did like some the advanced CG damage done to Arnold's skull, though. And the last five minutes were the only ones that actually felt like a Terminator movie, and they were great.
I'm so suprised that 'T3' is getting positive reviews. Absolute shocker. I predicted bad reviews from the minute the trailer ended. I'm looking forward to it but its obvious that it won't threaten 'T2' in any way (box-office and film wise).
Quote from: GhostboyI don't think it's THAT bad...but it's not that great. 'Breakdown' and 'U-571' were both good action films, but they were essentially very good B-movies. This continues in that trend The action was good, but not very engaging.
I don't exactly see how Breakdown and U-571 were "b" movies, in terms of definition. I think B movies take their name from execution rather than content. So to say something is a really good b movie is sort of breaking its definition.
Well, TECHNICALLY, it's not an indication of quality but simply of the second movie in a double feature -- which back in those days generally wasn't as good as the A movie. Over the years, I think, the term has changed to describe bad movies and straight to video fare, but also straight genre films that don't try to exceed their own boundaries. I was referring to the latter.
i agree with sal.
and there are too many different interpretations of "b-movie." ive stopped using the term
Just came back from T3....why the fuck cant they just leave some franchises alone?
Agreed. It just made me want to watch the originals. Speaking of which, is that new T2 edition worth getting, despite the absolutely horrendous packaging?
Quote from: GhostboySpeaking of which, is that new T2 edition worth getting, despite the absolutely horrendous packaging?
acording to dvd angle (http://www.dvdangle.com/reviews/review.php?Id=3158), yes. im wondering if i should pick it up myself, or get one of the un-extended versions.
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: GhostboySpeaking of which, is that new T2 edition worth getting, despite the absolutely horrendous packaging?
acording to dvd angle (http://www.dvdangle.com/reviews/review.php?Id=3158), yes. im wondering if i should pick it up myself, or get one of the un-extended versions.
The James Cameron/William Wisher commentary is very good and worth having for that alone. Also, cecil, both the theatrical (as an easter egg) and extended versions of the movie are included on this Extreme DVD.
thanks alot, now ill have to buy this tomorrow. sigh. ill never save up for my tv. OKAY, no more dvds after t2 extreme edition and this time its true
I have to agree with what's already been said about the film. I saw it last night and despite some nice action moments it just lacked Cameron's touches of science and humanity. It had hints of both but I felt it lacked the emotional core of the first two films and was more interested in stringing together a bunch of action sequences. I also felt it tried referrencing the second film too much for laughs. I wish they had done more with the villian in the movie as well. I felt Kristanna Loken's T-X lacked the menacing pressence or the silently lethal presence of Robert Patrick's T-1000. His dead stares and head tilts were creepy and here they just felt (I hate to say it) almost parodied.
All this isn't to say the movie didn't provide some good moments, it does. I just felt the movie could've had so much more to offer us and that it came up short. I would've really liked to see what Cameron could have done with this. Obviously, he felt there was no need for another and I don't really blame him. But now that this is out it looks like there could be future Terminators.
I had a lot of fun with it. It had some really funny moments and the casting of Nick Stahl and Claire Danes was great. And Arnold is great in this role as always. I had a lot of problems with the screenplay, but it's a fun summer movie.
Well, does he say 'I'll be back' or what?
He has varied ways of saying "I'll be back".
"She'll be back" and "I'm back" are the only ones I remember. He might as well have been winking when he said them. He probably was, but we just couldn't see because of the sunglasses.
My full review: www.road-dog-productions.com/t3.html
Very nice review. Mirrored my thoughts and feelings exactly (and put them together more eloquently than I did).
I just came back from it, i can honestly say i rather enjoyed it. Sure i wouldve preferred Cameron at the helm and a sobered up Eddie Furlong back in the roll of John Connor, but that said, i enjoyed this much more than i did Matrix : Reloaded :shock: Sure the "feel" is different, but i dont know, there is something about the story itself that is very close to me, since ive been a fan since i saw part 1 as a kid and was terrified of the T800 skeleton...
I liked this movie, i thought the ending was really key because if they went a different direction i think it would have lost in quality. Kristanna Liken is hot as hell and i loved the butt shot.
let me open by saying that i went into this movie with ZERO expectations. so that, there was hardly room for any disappointment because i was never really excited about this one. without cameron on board, and with previews that really never got me the slightest bit excited, i knew this was something i HAD to see, but wasnt really looking forward to. at the same time, in the days leading up to my viewing T3, i watched The Terminator and T2: Judgement Day, since i hadnt seen them in a while and i wanted to refresh what was going on. after viewing those, i actually got a little bit excited about seeing it, thinking that while it would probably not be great like the cameron films, it could atleast be pretty cool and a fun movie.
i cant even describe the level of awfulness that this movie achieved. it did everything wrong. it was a disaster of huge huge proportions. it was terrible on just about every level. i cant even believe that aoltimewarner would release this movie, that is killing the 'franchise'. cameron SAID he left that shit open on purpose, so that SOMEDAY, if he felt like it, he MIGHT MAKE A THIRD ONE! but NOOOOOO! fucking corporate warner (how the fuck did they get a hold of this series anyways since it was orion and carolco (which is now c2), who put out the first two? and artisan somehow has the video rights to t2? how did they get their grubby corporate hands on it?) alright, back to the suck...
the story, obviously a terrible unimaginitive remake of the second movie. but way worse, with not cool action and characters that suck. and nothign interesting happening. the whole premise of the terminator is total B movie stuff. but somehow, james cameron was able to elevate it to something more. somethign better and more important than that. but oh no, not old jonathan mostow. he turns in a straight B movie, so cliched, i cant believe they were actually putting this out as their big july 4th tentpole, and not hiding it away in february or september. the first hour of the film moves like a fucking slasher flick. oooh, lots of random nameless faceless characters die from the tx. it was set up exactly like some cheesy horror flick. i couldnt even believe i was watching it.
the characters: terrible. first of all, john connor is a fucking homeless vagabond junkie. i wished he HAD died. i didnt give two shits about his character. and who better to play someone as unsympathetic as possible than old nick stahl. could there be an uglier more uncharismatic actor working today? he made me feel nothing for his character or his relationship. and then theres arnold. terrible. he wasnt acting anything like himself in the other movies. he seemed to be on autopilot for the $30m paycheck. which you would think would help THAT role, but no, i guess it did require a little more energy. or a director that knows what he's doing. umm, i felt bad for claire danes, cause i like her, and she didnt need this piece of shit.
the script: so awful and full of holes. it really did border on parody. a couple of times i had to look over at my girlfriend and go "this doesnt seem like a real movie. it seems like we're watching the snl parody". and it really does. how did they barge into that top security building? why are there a whole brand of terminators designed to fight other terminators? (when cameron said himself the first time it ever happened was in T2? is it such a growing problem of them being captured and reprogrammed they need to invent a whole new kind of termintor just to destroy other terminators?) why did anybody do anything in this movie.
even the action, umm. it was okay, but nothing i havent seen been done in the last 12 years since the second one. whereas t2 had kickass action, and was one of the cornerstones of cg becoming a new force in special effects for movies. why didnt they atleast try to do something different? or show us something we havent seen? oooh, MORE car chases, but not as good. more shit blowing up or being shot with guns.
the cinematography. a great deal of the movie took place in broad daylight, which might not have been bad had there been some sort of look to the film. SOME look, ANY look. but the terminator walking around in broad daylight without any sort of mood looked silly.
the score: why didnt they get brad fiedel back to do the score? did anybody else notice they didnt even use the fucking terminator theme till the end credits? the fucking score of the first two is GREAT! (mostly second one). but its ALL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, fucking keyboards, snythesizers, electronic sounds, percussive noises. fucking the perfect score for the film. i swear, when i heard strings in this movie, i wanted to lean over and puke in my girlfriends lap. so wrong for the movie.
the problem with this whole fucking movie, is the typical case of the overblown sequel. they didnt have a goddamn original idea to propell the thing in the first place. the only idea that drove this thing into production was this $$$. all the way around. arnold needs a hit. wb could use some cash too. what franchise can we pillage? the script felt like something a fan might write and post online. a pretty good damn fan script, but nowhere near the calibur of movie that should actually get made. this movie i will wipe from my memory. to insure the security of the original two, i will never see this again. im going to pretend that it never happened, and that it doesnt exist. thats the only way i can sleep at nite.
theres more, i will probably rant more as i cant think of it, but i saw it a day ago out of town and am trying to recall my rant from the carride home.
Quote from: themodernage02
fucking corporate warner (how the fuck did they get a hold of this series anyways since it was orion and carolco (which is now c2), who put out the first two? and artisan somehow has the video rights to t2? how did they get their grubby corporate hands on it?) alright, back to the suck...
Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna, who used to run Carolco until it went bankrupt, got financing from a German independent group, and then gave distribution rights to the highest bidder (that being, at least in the US, Time Warner). Artisan wound up with the DVD rights in much the same way.
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the whole premise of the terminator is total B movie stuff. but somehow, james cameron was able to elevate it to something more. somethign better and more important than that. but oh no, not old jonathan mostow. he turns in a straight B movie
Exactly!
Quoteand who better to play someone as unsympathetic as possible than old nick stahl. could there be an uglier more uncharismatic actor working today?
Well ,yes. I think he's a good actor (see In The Bedroom), and he did a good job with what he was given.
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the cinematography. a great deal of the movie took place in broad daylight, which might not have been bad had there been some sort of look to the film. SOME look, ANY look. but the terminator walking around in broad daylight without any sort of mood looked silly.
YES. I completely agree. The movie looked flat and boring. And the lack of the epic score didn't help at all. Anyway, I meant just to respond to your query about the distribution, but I got carried away.
i completely agree with mr. kubrick up there. youve summed up the film beautifully.
well, i disagree with your harsh comments on nick stahl. so in a way, i agree with ghostboy, who agrees with you except for what you said about stahl.
alright, i'll admit, i dont care for nick stahl. that is a personal thing. but i do think that overall, it goes to show that it doesnt matter how much money you have, that doesnt mean youll have a good movie. or more simply "money is not a substitute for creativity". which was the problem here. a lot of money, but not a lot of ideas.
Quote from: themodernage02let me open by saying that i went into this movie with ZERO expectations. so that, there was hardly room for any disappointment because i was never really excited about this one. without cameron on board, and with previews that really never got me the slightest bit excited, i knew this was something i HAD to see, but wasnt really looking forward to. at the same time, in the days leading up to my viewing T3, i watched The Terminator and T2: Judgement Day, since i hadnt seen them in a while and i wanted to refresh what was going on. after viewing those, i actually got a little bit excited about seeing it, thinking that while it would probably not be great like the cameron films, it could atleast be pretty cool and a fun movie.
i cant even describe the level of awfulness that this movie achieved. it did everything wrong. it was a disaster of huge huge proportions. it was terrible on just about every level. i cant even believe that aoltimewarner would release this movie, that is killing the 'franchise'. cameron SAID he left that shit open on purpose, so that SOMEDAY, if he felt like it, he MIGHT MAKE A THIRD ONE! but NOOOOOO! fucking corporate warner (how the fuck did they get a hold of this series anyways since it was orion and carolco (which is now c2), who put out the first two? and artisan somehow has the video rights to t2? how did they get their grubby corporate hands on it?) alright, back to the suck...
the story, obviously a terrible unimaginitive remake of the second movie. but way worse, with not cool action and characters that suck. and nothign interesting happening. the whole premise of the terminator is total B movie stuff. but somehow, james cameron was able to elevate it to something more. somethign better and more important than that. but oh no, not old jonathan mostow. he turns in a straight B movie, so cliched, i cant believe they were actually putting this out as their big july 4th tentpole, and not hiding it away in february or september. the first hour of the film moves like a fucking slasher flick. oooh, lots of random nameless faceless characters die from the tx. it was set up exactly like some cheesy horror flick. i couldnt even believe i was watching it.
the characters: terrible. first of all, john connor is a fucking homeless vagabond junkie. i wished he HAD died. i didnt give two shits about his character. and who better to play someone as unsympathetic as possible than old nick stahl. could there be an uglier more uncharismatic actor working today? he made me feel nothing for his character or his relationship. and then theres arnold. terrible. he wasnt acting anything like himself in the other movies. he seemed to be on autopilot for the $30m paycheck. which you would think would help THAT role, but no, i guess it did require a little more energy. or a director that knows what he's doing. umm, i felt bad for claire danes, cause i like her, and she didnt need this piece of shit.
the script: so awful and full of holes. it really did border on parody. a couple of times i had to look over at my girlfriend and go "this doesnt seem like a real movie. it seems like we're watching the snl parody". and it really does. how did they barge into that top security building? why are there a whole brand of terminators designed to fight other terminators? (when cameron said himself the first time it ever happened was in T2? is it such a growing problem of them being captured and reprogrammed they need to invent a whole new kind of termintor just to destroy other terminators?) why did anybody do anything in this movie.
even the action, umm. it was okay, but nothing i havent seen been done in the last 12 years since the second one. whereas t2 had kickass action, and was one of the cornerstones of cg becoming a new force in special effects for movies. why didnt they atleast try to do something different? or show us something we havent seen? oooh, MORE car chases, but not as good. more shit blowing up or being shot with guns.
the cinematography. a great deal of the movie took place in broad daylight, which might not have been bad had there been some sort of look to the film. SOME look, ANY look. but the terminator walking around in broad daylight without any sort of mood looked silly.
the score: why didnt they get brad fiedel back to do the score? did anybody else notice they didnt even use the fucking terminator theme till the end credits? the fucking score of the first two is GREAT! (mostly second one). but its ALL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, fucking keyboards, snythesizers, electronic sounds, percussive noises. fucking the perfect score for the film. i swear, when i heard strings in this movie, i wanted to lean over and puke in my girlfriends lap. so wrong for the movie.
the problem with this whole fucking movie, is the typical case of the overblown sequel. they didnt have a goddamn original idea to propell the thing in the first place. the only idea that drove this thing into production was this $$$. all the way around. arnold needs a hit. wb could use some cash too. what franchise can we pillage? the script felt like something a fan might write and post online. a pretty good damn fan script, but nowhere near the calibur of movie that should actually get made. this movie i will wipe from my memory. to insure the security of the original two, i will never see this again. im going to pretend that it never happened, and that it doesnt exist. thats the only way i can sleep at nite.
theres more, i will probably rant more as i cant think of it, but i saw it a day ago out of town and am trying to recall my rant from the carride home.
Agreed.
T3 lacks the suspense that T2 managed to do so well. I was so uninvolved while watching T3. I was hopin they'd all just shut the fuck up.
T3 was a rehash of unbelieveable, unstoppable, overblown car chases.
Useless bullets vs machines.
Shitty 1 liners...
ect...
chris
Quote from: themodernage02a lot of money, but not a lot of ideas.
Most of which probably went to Arnold's salary anyway. :roll:
Quote from: SalQuote from: GhostboyI don't think it's THAT bad...but it's not that great. 'Breakdown' and 'U-571' were both good action films, but they were essentially very good B-movies. This continues in that trend The action was good, but not very engaging.
I don't exactly see how Breakdown and U-571 were "b" movies...
C'mon, EVERY movie is a B movie to Ghostboy... :roll:
I'm not looking forward to seeing 'T3'... but I probably will, for educational value. Welcome to what NOT to do when you are working with two modern movie classics' worth of backstory.
Quote from: markums2kQuote from: SalC'mon, EVERY movie is a B movie to Ghostboy... :roll:
They are? :shock:
Quote from: GhostboyQuote from: markums2klC'mon, EVERY movie is a B movie to Ghostboy... :roll:
They are? :shock:
Okay, when you read my comment, imagine that the word "dramatization" in little white letters at the bottom.
I just came from the
28 Days Later thread and you're on a B movie kick. It was funny to see the same discussion taking place in 'T3', of all places.
i am puking as i am typing this...
The LA Times interviewed Nick Stahl:
If "T3" is a success, would you be up for another one?
I'm actually signed on for two more. But I can't even think a week into the future, much less like that.
The ending of the new film certainly feels like it's setting up another movie. Do you have any hints on what happens next?
I wouldn't find out until a couple months before they filmed it. I barely knew where the movie I was in was going, to a degree, until the last second. It was such a secretive thing. I read a script, but it was under lock and key. Once I was going to screen-test for the role, I came in and I was kind of sealed into a room with this guy standing there, the script keeper guy, who waited until I finished the script. It was intense.
I thought it was a great movie for what it was... I know that now-a-days no sequel can live up to its original that was made years ago (i.e. Star Wars... and I fear for the Superman and Indiana Jones franchises!!!!), but I thought it wasn't too bad. I think this movie and the Matrix Reloaded had about the same amount of storyline, but I thought T3 came through with the goods more so. I definetly think that T3 will win tons of awards for sound design and sound editing, as well as visual effects. These were some of the best visual effects I think i've ever seen in a movie. It actually DIDN'T look like a video game! Wow! That alone is worth the admission price.
Of course there will be sequels... and now that Cameron isn't holding up the franchise (since we know it takes him 5 years to make a movie), expect to see another sequel in two years. I GUARANTEE that T4 will be competing with Episode 3 in 2005!
For those that didn't think T3 could compare to T1 or T2, not every movie in a series can be as great as the first ones were. For those that think the movie was complete garbage, not every movie can be the Godfather... it was what it was... a cheesy action movie. I knew it would be, and I wasn't disappointed.
Nick
my thoughts exactly.
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For those that didn't think T3 could compare to T1 or T2, not every movie in a series can be as great as the first ones were. For those that think the movie was complete garbage, not every movie can be the Godfather... it was what it was... a cheesy action movie. I knew it would be, and I wasn't disappointed.
But why would you accept a cheesy action movie as a proper follow-up to T2? I just watched T2 again this weekend and it pisses me off that they decided to tarnish the series with "a cheesy action movie".
yeah, exactly. t3 just demolished everything its predecessors have accomplished.
"not every movie can be the godfather." thats like saying its not worth trying to make something good or that we should like any movie no matter how bad it is because its impossible for every movie to be good.
i did find the "you remind me of my mother" line very funny. freud.
Quote from: mindfuckBut why would you accept a cheesy action movie as a proper follow-up to T2? I just watched T2 again this weekend and it pisses me off that they decided to tarnish the series with "a cheesy action movie".
Because it is what it is.
The series is now in a transition stage. Maybe the next movies in the series will have more plot, but what happened in this movie had to happen eventually... they could have put it all in a 10 minute time span, but decided to make a 2 hour movie out of it. The same could be said about the Matrix Reloaded... that movie only had one plot point to make, and it made it in 2 hours rather than 10 minutes... people don't only go to the movies for plot... especially a film with Arnold... they want action... I think this is very much in keeping with the spirit of the Terminator series... in fact I think it took the action aspect to the next level. At least it doesn't take itself too seriously, like most movies in the genre do these days.
I personally was not disappointed at all with T3... and I'm the biggest critic of everything Hollywood puts out these days.
Nick
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
The series is now in a transition stage. Maybe the next movies in the series will have more plot, but what happened in this movie had to happen eventually...
The series is in a transistion stage because they never should have made a third fucking movie. When the original director and key actors decline to work on the project, it's time to call it quits. And no, what happened in this movie didn't have to happen eventually because they pulled it out of thin air as the vehicle for a sequel that shouldn't have existed.
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they could have put it all in a 10 minute time span, but decided to make a 2 hour movie out of it. [...] people don't only go to the movies for plot... especially a film with Arnold... they want action...
After Terminator 2 you'd think people would realize that you can have a great plot AND the action the audience craves. And no, the story doesn't consist of the lame catch-phrases and silly shenanigans of the terminators ("talk to the hand"!?!?! jesus). If you watch T2 again you'll see that there was MUCH more to that film.
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNick
I think this is very much in keeping with the spirit of the Terminator series... in fact I think it took the action aspect to the next level. At least it doesn't take itself too seriously, like most movies in the genre do these days.
Terminator 1 = serious
Terminator 2 = serious
Terminator 3 = not serious
See anything wrong with that? The series as a whole has lost all creative continuity. The transition period you speak of is the transition from greatness to shit. I have no doubt that they will continue the series with movies like T3 and run the whole damn thing into the ground. Pity.
I totally understand where you're coming from, mindfuck... maybe I don't take the terminator series as seriously as I take other series... I mean i'm still crying about how George Lucas totally f*cked the Star Wars series in 1999... I guess my level of interest in the terminator series is about a 6/10 and you're probably a 9/10 or a 10/10... I can live with a bomb with some good action sequences, while I know others might not be able to.
Nick
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickI totally understand where you're coming from, mindfuck... maybe I don't take the terminator series as seriously as I take other series... I mean i'm still crying about how George Lucas totally f*cked the Star Wars series in 1999... I guess my level of interest in the terminator series is about a 6/10 and you're probably a 9/10 or a 10/10... I can live with a bomb with some good action sequences, while I know others might not be able to.
Nick
*Nods* I understand your point as well.
Terminator 2 is easily in my top 10. I'm not going to act like I had high hopes for T3 or anything. As I said, I really think they should have left it alone after T2. It pisses me off how Hollywood continues to get away with shit like this. I mean, changing an actor mid-series is bad enough, but losing TWO main actors AND the director and still making the next movie is unforgivable.
Of course, I know the Star Wars thing hurts a lot more considering the director stayed with it and STILL fucked it up. I feel you on that one.
I hear what a lot of you are saying but i mean i think you have slightly unrealistic expectations. If so many of you went into the movie with "zero expectations" because of all your convictions about different directors/actors/studios, then why the hell do you seem so surprised that it did not live up to the greatness of T2. As educated movie lovers, witch i think most of us are, than you should realize that since Hollywood currently has a hard on for sequels that are quickly, and carelessly put together, than throw any expectations that might be hiding within you out the window and sit back and try and enjoy a cheesy, action packed, summer movie. I mean if nothing else this movie gave us all a chance to have entertaining discussions. Theres always a silver lining.
listen to thier review of T3, i agree with Ropert, most of you will probably agree with Ebert
http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickI personally was not disappointed at all with T3... and I'm the biggest critic of everything Hollywood puts out these days. Nick
apparently not there, nick. when is the last time you watched either of the first two movies? if the terminator "series" was meant to be a fun-blowemup popcorn movie with bad acting, dialogue and no story behind the action, then there would be no problem with this movie. as that was NOT what the series was about, whatsoever, this is perhaps a time to be critical.
Quote from: BankyI hear what a lot of you are saying but i mean i think you have slightly unrealistic expectations. If so many of you went into the movie with "zero expectations" because of all your convictions about different directors/actors/studios, then why the hell do you seem so surprised that it did not live up to the greatness of T2. As educated movie lovers, witch i think most of us are, than you should realize that since Hollywood currently has a hard on for sequels that are quickly, and carelessly put together, than throw any expectations that might be hiding within you out the window and sit back and try and enjoy a cheesy, action packed, summer movie. I mean if nothing else this movie gave us all a chance to have entertaining discussions. Theres always a silver lining.
if shitting on the legacy of the terminator series is the only way to have an interesting discussion, i think i would prefer a boring one.
modernage,
i agree with you completely. i just got back, this movie blew. anybody defending nick stahl just because they liked in the bedroom has a stick up their ass. his john is one of the worst performances i've ever seen, ever. this whole movie was crap.
one thing that made the original terminators make sense was that they stopped judgment day from happening. it would've happened in 97, but they stopped it, so it didn't. SPOILER!!! this one was pure shit because at the end, judgment day happens! this throws reality out of the window. i did not like it. that's just a small complaint though. it's not my whole reason for not liking the film. SPOILER OVER.
did anybody else get a dr. strangelove vibe from this? all the scenes taking place in military buildings, it feels like the set designer was paying tribute to strangelove. then, the end of the movie is the same as strangelove. nuclear war. after it was over, i got out of my seat and screamed "mein fuhrer! i can walk!"
oh well. all of us who hated t3, we can't be hypocritical assholes anymore. when t4 comes out (and you know it will) we all have to do our part and not see it. that's what i'm going to do. i refuse to give it any grosses that will encourage them to do t5. i have completely lost interest in the progression of the terminator series.
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apparently not there, nick. when is the last time you watched either of the first two movies?
I actually DID see the terminator movies recently... 1 and 2 before going to see 3... then I just recently bought the extreme dvd of 2 and had to watch it again!
Quote from: themodernage02
if the terminator "series" was meant to be a fun-blowemup popcorn movie with bad acting, dialogue and no story behind the action, then there would be no problem with this movie.
Come on... you must admit Arnie wasn't at his best in T2 either... Eddie Furlong wasn't either (no wonder he really didn't do much after this... besides his crazy ways)... what the other movies in the series had was a captivating storyline... ok, fine... there was no story in T3... i admit it.
If you dislike T3 so much, just consider it to be your "Godfather part 3" (definition of "Godfather part 3": noun. a sequel in a popular movie series that shattered your existence and you wish had never happened)... pretend like it doesn't exist, just like I pretend GF 3 doesn't exist!!!
Nick
I find the third to be lacking in all of these things. First, the contrast of man and machine just isn't there. The first two movies really captured the spirit of who he was- a machine devoid of notions of morality, yet yearning to grasp the meaning of humanity despite his machinistic limitations.
In this film, however, I felt like he was nothing more than a hunk of metal taking absurd amounts of damage. This terminator didn't seem to care about who he was...he just had a mission to accomplish. Which, I think, is the main problem of the movie. There isn't a continuity from one T-model to the next. They are all programmed the same way without individual characteristics. The father/son bonding between the terminator and Connor in Judgement Day? Gone. The insights into human strengths and weaknesses through the idea of machines? Gone. The terminator of T3 is a robotic punching bag (which does have its enjoyments).
You can really tell that James Cameron is missing from this movie. With the exception of the crane scene, no other scene stands out in my mind as being really amazing. In T2 you have one incredible action sequence after another. In T3 you have one incredible action sequence and then just action sequences. The plot was pretty much the same as T2. New terminator arrives (except with beauty and curves alongside cutting-edge assassination equipment), old terminator arrives to spew forth mission objectives and find really giant guns. The goodness of T2 comes from how it was portrayed rather than in its layout. T3 doesn't really have anything that sticks out to you.
Cameron really captured the look of the characters: the terminator as a machine seeking to understand human capacity; Sarah Conner as the psychologically harrowed mother; John Conner as the incredibly troubled youth who sees the terminator as a father figure. I felt a large disconnection with the characters in T3. The terminator merely protects Connor and Brewster; it doesn't connect with them. Kate Brewster whines and complains a lot, but she doesn't add anything to the film. Connor is really the only character that is developed, through his initial confusion of destiny and his resolution with the fact that the infamous "Judgement Day" is inescapable. While the new TX has dangerous curves, her weapons are standard sci-fi fare. She is a souped up T-1000 model that can manipulate other machines. Whoop-de-doo.
Simply put, none of these characters are explored. When the terminator is reprogrammed to kill Connor, who cares? He might as well be a lawn mower programmed to chase people. Again, T3 fails to create emotional depth because of this incredibly huge disconnection.
All in all, T3 is a dissappointing film, but I wouldn't call it horrendous. It is a continuation of the story, and it was interesting, especially the destiny element and how it eventually affects everything (the end in particular). All in all, T3 fails to reinforce the integrity of the previous films while failing to enforce its own according to its standards.
Of course, we all know Kristanna Loken is worth the price of admission alone.
I must say that I haven't seen the film yet but from what I read here and seen in the trailers, particularly the trailers, the first thing that bothered me was the cinematography (as some of you already pointed), it looked like an episode of Walker, Tx. Ranger, but the most shocking fact for me is not that Stahl is already signed for another two but the budget, according to Box Office Mojo it was $200m (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminator3.htm) I know Arnold received a $30m paycheck, but where the hell went the rest?!?!, they yet have $170m to spend, anyway, I'll see it but with very low expectations.
Quote from: The IdiotOf course, we all know Kristanna Loken is worth the price of admission alone.
wouldn't go that far. it's rated R and they don't even show her boobs.
Yeah, but you get to see her butt. Well, for a split second.
The high budget is simply because they try to use CGI the less they could. Like, instead of an animated exploding building, they built the thing and destroyed it. That's really cool, when you forget the fact that some people are homeless.
just saw it, and it was as bad as everyone said it would be, glad I didn't pay for it. laughed outloud at several lines, esp: "This is my father's plane, I trained on it". it was wonderful.
but aside from the unintentional humour, I did laugh at some of the comedy in there. it should've gone more in that direction, kidding itself, 'cause you know, if you're laughing at yourself then people who laugh at you would be laughing with you or some shite like that. I wouldn't've minded had it been a stupid comedy with some cool action sequences and s/fx. Sadly, most of the film was just like, a big Q&A session. The mere idea of a sequel after everything was destroyed in t2 was pretty problematic. So in this film they just had their human characters asking all the questions about the film's own plotholes, then having T3 make up some more shit to cover up those holes.
bah. lame.
product placement is funny. i luved the part at the beginning when she steals the car, and the cop goes "Hey-you! In-the-silver-lexus-with -the twin-turbo-V8-with-heated-leather-seats-and-a-custom-Bose-surround-stereo-that-you-can-lease-at-any-local-Lexus-dealership-with-no-downpayment-and-no-APR-for-36months-for-only-$399-per-month, pull over!!" hahaha.
what might have salvaged this piece, which by the way felt like an unworthy, straight-to-video successor of the far superior T2, was the return of the original kid, eddie furlong. where is that skinny bitch, still in rehab? u see thats what really made t2 so great and sad at the end was that relationship, but it doesn't really happen here.
and the classic t2 score isn't there. :(
anyway, im over it. wasnt expecting much anyhow. so far this summer, no movie has come close to the matrix for me. hulk was a surprisingly good movie. still have sum more to see (i really wanted to see 28 days tonight but my friends just had to see the terminator, asses).
best line of the movie
just die u bitch!!
hahaha.
Should have just paid Cameron whatever he wanted to get him back.
I was disappointed. I love the first two films. But this one doesn't appreciate it's characters. The T-100 should not be laughed at. And the T-X never came off as menacing, more like 'cool'. When she gets pulled over: "I like your gun." CUT TO: next scene. Missed opportunity to show more, as well as other missed ideas. *SPOILERS* When the T-X reprograms the T-100, wouldn't it have been great to have that model come full circle and become a human killing machine again? *END SPOILERS* The action seemed like it followed, or was 'paying homage to', the second film in copying some shots. In the end, it was just okay (there are some good aspects, like the bathroom fight), but it's a big letdown when compared to the first two.
Side note: The cemetery is basically my back yard; about a block away.
Yeah, I finally saw this today and what shit this is to be called Terminator. They really turned what was a couple of great movies into a shitty Sci-Fi Horror Comedy.
I saw this then went home and watched the pilot episode fot the Incredible Hulk. They were both of equal quality.
This is like they made a high budget made-for-tv movie.
The only thing I'll give it is the truck chase at the begining... lots of good destruction... heads downhill from there.
Suspension of disbelief never happened once... I had accepted the end of the world/war of the machines/ time-travel shit because of the first two, but everything this one did just came off as ridiculous.
Bad story, BAAAAAD dialogue and just rather boring... enough with the jokes too... my lord!
Robert Patrick would have kicked that chick's ass in two seconds and the Arnold from the first two (not the pussy version that's in this one) could have easily taken her too.
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Side note: The cemetery is basically my back yard; about a block away.
could i puuleeeease move into ur basement when i graduate? im a good rommate, altho i can't cook for shit.
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Side note: The cemetery is basically my back yard; about a block away.
could i puuleeeease move into ur basement when i graduate? im a good rommate, altho i can't cook for shit.
Another side note: About another block away from a Richard Ramirez/Night Stalker murder. Those were some scary "Summer Of Sam"-like times.
yikes. well uhh... how much would rent be again?
u'll hav to share the room with his gimp.
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I thought it was okay. A cool action flick, nothing more. It provided a fun night at the flicks and Arnold proved that he is still the fuckin' man. I liked seeing Nick Stahl in it as John but it really should've had Furlong (that 'catching up' scene was a prime example of why). There was no real emotional depth to it as its pretty much one giant chase/action sequence but it had its own touches of magic. SPOILER: I liked the final shot, the terminators eye light finally turning off. The action wasn't as phenomenal as in 'T2' but it did seem like there was more destruction, real destruction and carnage which you don't see much of in this CGI era. The crane scene and bathroom fight were definate highlights. The film ended on a down note, which I actually liked.
'T3' is not a brilliant film and it really wasn't worth the wait (at all) but I'm happy with it. Its dissapointing as fuck but it made me chuckle and it was great eye candy. It isn't a bad sequel, and thats probably enough.
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"T4 is essentially a go picture. Figures for T3 weren't fantastic, but still quite good. Very good. The entire cast has signed for another one. I believe there's a plan for Arnold to do this and King Conan back to back - but the latter film still has a question mark over its head. Depending on how the Wachowski's do with "Matrix 3", it mightn't be happening yet".
Quote from: themodernage02who better to play someone as unsympathetic as possible than old nick stahl. could there be an uglier more uncharismatic actor working today?
I just kept thinking how he looked like PTA.
Personally I think he was kinda cute (in a PTA kinda beardy way), though his eyes are slightly too far apart. I don't know whether he could hold the next movie though.
I wasn't expecting T3 to be anything other than funny really. If Arnie was gonna be in it there's no way it could be anything else. I would think what follows is more likely to pick up where T2 left off.
I just giggled hysterically all the way through the truck chase, it was fantastic, and worth sitting through the slow bits, when I wandered off. I couldn't understand why no one else was laughing (except my mate, but she was laughing at the idea of boys and their toys, while I of course was not: for me it was a properly executed piece of excess culminating in Arnie's face smashing against whatever). It was fun, though another shocking piece of fatalism. Things aren't really so bad are they?
....well..being a fan of the first and seconnd terminators.....and knowing that Cameron . and Co. have split.....i was nno tthat innterrested in seeing this film......so hence my thought coming months later unntil i boughtht e dvd used for 12.00 (nnot going to pass that up)......but from rrading thr previous post i se most hated this ...and i csan see why.....mod-age's review sums up what everyones thinking who hated it.......i didnnn't think it was that bad.....
SPOILERS ARE POSSIBLE......
the dialouge was cheesy..."talk to the hand".... :roll: ....bu ti think in both the other terminator films the dialogue was cheesy atr times also.....oiyts just whennnwe(most) of us watched it we could relayte to so,me of the cheesyness b/c we were young lik eeddie furlong......there ar some holes annd misscalculations ..but ti donnn't think its nothing that bad......the actionn was great.....acting overall ..ffor a terminator film is okay....(i actually like nnick stahl better tha ffurlong)......twars the end i though it was great.....annnd then end was perfect ....and i like how it set sup for sequels which ......seems fine buy me.......
how old is claire dannes?????????....she looks 32
T4 In The Works
Producer Mario Kassar recently spoke to a Lebanese film magazine regarding production for Terminator 4 and TheArnoldFans transcribed a copy of the key elements of the article:
"T4 is in the works. The screenplay will be ready in 8 or 9 months. Once we have that, we will proceed with the production. The question that has never been answered in all the Terminator films is time travel. You can come from the future to change the present. But we never see how they go back to the future, which is a subject that can be explored. I think you already know where T4 is going from the ending of T3".
Quote from: MacGuffinThe question that has never been answered in all the Terminator films is time travel. You can come from the future to change the present. But we never see how they go back to the future, which is a subject that can be explored.
.....that sounds cool actually.....thi scan open up more sh*t......maybe revist the earlier two films and see how certain events play ou tin deiffferent scennarios.....etc.......but it woul dahve to be crreative and justified to work......someone could just "ad lib" it.......