i have this weird thing
i want to know if anyone else has this
in Period Pieces i hate when they use music that was not around during that era
it kills a movie for me, i become very larry david at that moment and i start to hate the movie
rock star with marky was ruined for me because of this, and god so many other movies
music in movies is very important to me, its one of my most important factors, and i hate when they fuck it up like this
and i think i am not alone here, because scrosesse feels the same thing, he wanted to use " shes so cold" at the end of of goodfellas during the coke car scene but the song was not out yet so he decided aginst it
i was not around during the early 80's so i dont know if sister christian was out during that time that the coke scene in boogie nights took place, but god i hope so because that song and scene work so FUCKING GREAT together
but check this out, i am so anal about this issue that i would take out the perfect song if i found out that it had not come out yet during the scene it was meant to be used in .
So what are your thoughts, then, on techno or rock music in films like Gangs Of New York or A Knight's Tale?
wow you must have hated moulin rouge then
Quote from: GhostboySo what are your thoughts, then, on techno music in period pieces?
Der Fuhrer would of loved house music No question
Quote from: ewardwow you must have hated moulin rouge then
yes yes i did, but not because of the music, the music was meant to be that way in moulin rouge
in films like rock star however, its just sloppy film making
and i take it as a sign of bad directing, But only in extreme cases
like if sister christian was a few months off in boogie nights, i wouldnt say that PTA is a idiot, if he used a bon jovi song from 88 in a scene that is meant to take place in 84 well then yes he would be a idiot
like if i am writting a scene that takes place in say decemember of 1989, and i had the charecters going to the movies, i would do research and find out what was playing during that week or month, i am very big on this
i once wrote a screenplay that took place in the present as i was writing it, and every single song i had in mind for it was either from the 70's, 80's, or before the 70's.....and i began to panic - i'm over it now and have accepted the fact that music is music and if it fits the mood then it fits the mood, altho i do agree with you about the whole "this scene takes place in december 83 and this song came out november 87, ahhh!" that tends to bug me as well (that wasn't sarcastic, just colorful) - but anyways, what r ur thoughts on the story i told about my screenplay a few years back? how do u feel about that sort of musical placement?
ohh i am sorry i didnt clear up what i meant, i love writting modern scenes with old songs, all my modern scenes are set to old songs
like for example Hollywood homicide uses old motown , PERFECT
I love that
so yeah, you can use a song that came before the era but not after the era
so for example if the scene takes place in 83, you can use a song from 77 but not from 85
man ludacris, you should see the taylor hackford movie "the idolmaker". it will piss you off to no end, (as it did me). it takes place in the fifties and the performers are supposed to be like these frankie avalon type pinups, but theyre singing all these non-existent 50s songs that sound like they were written in 1979 (because they were). plus the sound of the instruments and drums is not the sound they were capable of at that time. watch it and simmer in hatred.
Quote from: themodernage02man ludacris, you should see the taylor hackford movie "the idolmaker". it will piss you off to no end, (as it did me). it takes place in the fifties and the performers are supposed to be like these frankie avalon type pinups, but theyre singing all these non-existent 50s songs that sound like they were written in 1979 (because they were). plus the sound of the instruments and drums is not the sound they were capable of at that time. watch it and simmer in hatred.
Don't you dare put that movie down. That is the Ray Sharkey's best film, based on a real manager. The music is so damn catchy, especially the end song with Peter Gallagher singing "However Dark The Night."
okay, here's the thing. music in movies should be about tone instead of period, mood instead of popularity. i have NO problemo w/ mixing genres/eras or whateva when it comes to music, whatever can and does work i say go for it. like the opening gangs of new york music i thought was amazing. music should be like the 2nd dialogue in a movie. doesn't matter where it comes from.
Thank you, ©brad
Quote from: ©bradokay, here's the thing. music in movies should be about tone instead of period, mood instead of popularity. i have NO problemo w/ mixing genres/eras or whateva when it comes to music, whatever can and does work i say go for it. like the opening gangs of new york music i thought was amazing. music should be like the 2nd dialogue in a movie. doesn't matter where it comes from.
in gangs of new york, he is using it as score so its not what i am talking about
what i am talking about is for example on the bottom of the screen it says
1969 and the music playing in the background is freebird which came out in the 70's
see they are using freebird in the scene to set the mood of the time they are projecting, however they are wrong because that song is not from that time
so sloppy film making
argh dont make me admit this but ok, my friends and i were bored the other night and we saw dumb and dumberer , well in it it says it takes place in 1986 and they mention 1986 quite a bit and yet they have two scenes one a full blown dance number set to Ice Ice baby which came out in 1990
so that is another fucking example of what i mean
I totally see what you're saying. Score can be anything, but when someone has Source playing (the point being that source should be direct in terms of time and place), then it should be era-correct. I so agree.
But in terms of score, yes, directors should be able to do anything. How much EVEN COOLER would Gangs have been if Marty would have opened with that Clash song, like originally planned?!!
I always wanted to score with way out of place music, then that cocksucking movie Knight's Tale came out and ruined everything for me.
i liked gangs of new york, but did anybody else feel that the opening battle was just awkward? leading up to it was amazing but then all the little gimmicks that go on during the battle and what not - i don't know.....i just didnt respond well to it. but i quickly forgot about it tho.
not that this has anyhing to do with anything just thought i bring it up
Quote from: SoNowThenBut in terms of score, yes, directors should be able to do anything. How much EVEN COOLER would Gangs have been if Marty would have opened with that Clash song, like originally planned?!!
are you joking, if not which song?
Can't remember, but I believe it's in Scorsese on Scorsese, when he talks about projects not yet done (because the book was published way before), he says that he and Jay Cocks conceived this crazy movie to bring the book to screen, and it's hardcore as hell, and they wanna use rock music, particularily this Clash song, that was to play as the battle ended, and then over the shot of the harbour (the one that kept getting higher and higher above earth)... if I remember correctly.
Quote from: MacGuffinDon't you dare put that movie down. That is the Ray Sharkey's best film, based on a real manager. The music is so damn catchy, especially the end song with Peter Gallagher singing "However Dark The Night."
regardless of the performances, whoever composed the music should be shot! its horribly horribly out of place. it doesnt even sound like they were TRYING to make it sound 50's. laughably so. other than the music, the movie was fine.
Quote from: SoNowThenCan't remember, but I believe it's in Scorsese on Scorsese, when he talks about projects not yet done (because the book was published way before), he says that he and Jay Cocks conceived this crazy movie to bring the book to screen, and it's hardcore as hell, and they wanna use rock music, particularily this Clash song, that was to play as the battle ended, and then over the shot of the harbour (the one that kept getting higher and higher above earth)... if I remember correctly.
yeah i remember reading that too. im pretty sure its in scorsese on scorsese.
Gangs to me is not what i was talking about, now had he used a depeche mode song during the billy bats scene in goodfellas then i would be pissed
he used donnovan, a perfect choice
it didnt comment on the scene and it was not even the type of music that those guys would listen to but
It set the mood and that is the most important thing to me
like jessies girl in BN Or island girl in storytelling
i rather a song set a mood then have it comment on the story
for example if PT Used a song that was about drugs killing your soul rather then jessie's girl, that would of been fucking cheesy and hack like
Yeah, Atlantis might just be my pick for "perfect song for that specific scene" ever.
Quote from: SoNowThenYeah, Atlantis might just be my pick for "perfect song for that specific scene" ever.
and again thats why you fucking rock
you know what i mean about mood, that song takes that scene and lifts it to the heavons . I love source music but i do have my rules as i have said
but the rules force you to be creative, which is more fun
Boogie nights to me had a perfect soundtrack , and the music was all over the place
Another two movies which I thought had amazing source were:
Radio Days (with all the standards.... Woody actually arranged the movie's narrative around the songs, if I'm not mistaken)
Raging Bull (the most subdued of Marty films in terms of music, but there's some wonderful stuff -- including the brilliant original fight announcers -- and the great jazz playing in the bg when DeNiro has Pesci punch him in the face, which I think was "Sing, Sing, Sing"... but I can't quite remember)
color of money, everytime i hear one more night by phill collins i feel like its thursday night 1 37 AM and i am in a dark poolhall , in the middle of a great game
thats fucking great film making
I think I remember hearing that Wes Anderson conceived scenes with certain Brit. Invasion songs in mind for Rushmore.
So, like, does Rushmore's use of non-period music bug you? Probabaly not, because it's assumed to be 90s and all the music is 60s/70s, right?
Quote from: MeshI think I remember hearing that Wes Anderson conceived scenes with certain Brit. Invasion songs in mind for Rushmore.
So, like, does Rushmore's use of non-period music bug you? Probabaly not, because it's assumed to be 90s and all the music is 60s/70s, right?
i love rushmores music, and the music in the royal tennanbaums
i said its ok to use songs from before that era but not songs from after that era
infact i would use a lot of old songs, i love finding obscure and weird old songs
its great when you find a album track from a big star , a song that is forgotten , or a cool old one hit wonder single
and you use it in a scene and re invent it
like " drivers seat" that song was forgettn about and pta took it and rocked the mother fucker
Or "Spill the Wine" at the pool party scene in BN....gives me chills, so fucking great.
What effect do you guys think Jessie's Girl had on the firecracker/crack smoking scene? Did it inject a surreal quality to the whole scene, or perhaps a kind of irony. I don't know. For me, it definitely gave the scene a bizarre sort of kineticism.