now that its out, what does everybody think of it? i liked it a lot. ang lee does some really really cool things by making it look like a comic book with the use of panels and such. the style of the film was really cool. i cared about the story, so much so that the first time he "hulked out" i wanted him to quit smashing stuff so i could get back to what was going on. but there was really a lot going for this movie. its 3:31 am and i am still trying to digest it all, it really needs another viewing. the score was really cool although does anybody else notice the main theme was like almost exactly ripped off bernard herrmanns vertigo score? cool that they didnt try to cram in a bunch of crappy pop music like daredevil and just kept to the danny elfman score. i thought he was one of the most believable cgi creations, and when cgi isnt done well it really REALLY bugs me. but especially in the close-ups he had a lot of emotion. the acting was good. there were a few hiccups, but overall i thought it was great. really different. i imagine that comic book panel style of filmmaking will be very imitated in the future (atleast for comic book movies).
Nah, we might as well start a new thread, now that everyone will be seeing it. So here'e a cut-and-paste of the SPOILER FREE mini review I posted last night in the other thread:
I just got back from seeing it! It was good but not great, but I'd still very highly recommend it, because the style Ang Lee uses here is pretty awesome. First of all, the script isn't anything deep or grand...it's a comic book movie. There's a little bit of that Greek Tragedy element, but not much (and it ends up being the lamest part of the movie, honestly). Blade 2 did the whole Greek Tragedy thing a million times better than this. The actors all do good work, but only because they don't second guess the material.
Now, what makes the movie is the style. Because of the way Lee's approached the story, the shallowness of the script actually works. If you've read any of the original Hulk comics...that's what this is. It's a 1960s horror/sci-fi comic come to life, literally (and I wish they'd have gone all the way and set it in the sixties, too). The best part of the movie is the way it's edited...you really have no idea how well the 'panelling' editing style works. It's fantastic, and it immediately gets you in the right mood (it also helps the hour or so of exposition at the beginning of the movie whip by). Furthermore, the special effects are great. They really don't look any different than what you've already seen on your TV screen, but in the context of the movie, its clear that Lee made a definite stylistic choice in his representation of this character, and it works incredibly well. The close-ups of the Hulk's face are all very good, and surprisingly, he looks the most realistic in the desert scenes. That desert chase...man, it's a blast. The sound design in that sequence is terrific.
There's a point where it seems certain that the movie will end, complete with a perfect 'To Be Continued' moment. Unfortunately, it does continue, and from that point on the movie is just dumb and awkward. But aside from that, I'd say you'll get your money's worth.
I gotta say that i was not to happy with this film. I really liked Ang Lee's direction and editing with the cool disolve and panel tricks. The score was also good and i had no real problem with the CG because the previews totally numbed me for it. I just didnt like the complete package. It had some moments but i felt the climax in the little water resevoir thing was really weak. I didnt get it because im not a huge comic fan i suppose, but to the average viewer it made no sense and it was anti climactic. Its like they wanted to set it up for a sequeal but did not pull it off. And the very final scene was just stupid. I had no real emotional connection to the characters. It was well put together and looked great. I just think it is definantly not the best comic movie as of late and just missed the target.
first lemme say that i really like ang lee and i really wanted to like THE HULK but i just couldn't. i attribute it to bad writing. the cgi didn't bother me and the score was really cool. the split screen, the wipes and dissolves were really fuckin' great! it gave it a really good comic book feel. i like eric bana and jennifer connely but nick nolte pissed me off. there were moments where i felt for bruce banner and didn't want him to turn in the hulk but like i said there were just small moments. definitely not enough moments though. it was like A BEAUTIFUL MIND meets CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON all encapsulated in the marvel universe. so what i say about THE HULK, good direction & bad writing. ang lee did what he could with a really bad script. it's very aesthetically pleasing.
Jennifer Connelly has proved to me that she can be in any movie and make me feel like I'm watching the best performance I've ever seen. It makes me ache, this woman is so damn talented.
And the movie was okay, I guess. Oddly enough, the action was far more boring than the story. Can't say I was expecting that.
Quote from: rudieobfirst lemme say that i really like ang lee and i really wanted to like THE HULK but i just couldn't. i attribute it to bad writing. the cgi didn't bother me and the score was really cool. the split screen, the wipes and dissolves were really fuckin' great! it gave it a really good comic book feel. i like eric bana and jennifer connely but nick nolte pissed me off. there were moments where i felt for bruce banner and didn't want him to turn in the hulk but like i said there were just small moments. definitely not enough moments though. it was like A BEAUTIFUL MIND meets CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON all encapsulated in the marvel universe. so what i say about THE HULK, good direction & bad writing. ang lee did what he could with a really bad script. it's very aesthetically pleasing.
I love you more than life itself. Please don't tell me you go to McDonalds regularly. I was dissapointed because I never thought Ang Lee was capable of creating such garbage. The writers make a great scapegoat. You're right though, in the hands of many other filmmakers, Hulk would probably be terrible. Lee elevated it into mediocrity. It would be much more dissapointing if Lee botched Shakespeare, but he was given a garbage summer-action script, and he did what he could. Hey though, this is my opinion of course, I realize the reviews are mixed and some people love it.. I wish I was in that camp. I'm the type of guy who is scared to get in his car at night because of potentially getting into an accident. It's not so much the car damage, or physical injury I'm worried about, but the other people. I just couldn't deal with a man / woman screaming at me over car damage. I would probably say 'yep, you're right, it's my fault' just so they wouldn't scream at me. Yep, I'm single.
Quote from: polkabluesJennifer Connelly has proved to me that she can be in any movie and make me feel like I'm watching the best performance I've ever seen. It makes me ache, this woman is so damn talented.
and insanely beautiful. I love her. I don't know why, but it's wierd to me that she chose to do this movie. Ang Lee I guess.
It's kinda like Johnny Depp's choice to do Pirates of the Caribbean. Hey I like the sound of those two together. Hell, those three--I'll stop.
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Please don't tell me you go to McDonalds regularly.
i'm a vegan!
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I can't make up my mind about this film. It definitely was not the movie I expected. Going in, I was prepped for a more reality-based interpretation of the subject matter, but this veered way off into comic book territory(especially the climax, but whatev). Which isn't a terrible thing, just unexpected. The split-screen panelling works very well for the most part, but unnessary and over-used in some spots...is it nessary to have 4 different angles of helicopters flying across the desert?
The acting is pretty good across the board, Connelly and Shepherd delivered I think the best performances. Josh Lucas, I'm sure had an idea in his head about how one should act when appearing in a comic book movie, and he paints in one-hue broad strokes. Probably the weakest link.
I know that the Hulk can't look exactly life-like due to the fact that there's no such thing as a 15 ft. muscle-bound green guy in real life. But, some of the cgi still bothered me, I found that the Hulk looked best in broad daylight, not in the nighttime scenes. The skin also looks a little too rubbery in some scenes. minor complaints.
Like I said, I can't decide whether I like it or not, but I want to see it again soon.
its good. the cgi was pretty swell, sometimes a bit shitty.
Quote from: DerekSPOILERS
is it nessary to have 4 different angles of helicopters flying across the desert?
do you read comic books? this is how a panel would look in a comic book. i loved the helicopters scene.
yes, this movie was storyboarded like a comic book. this is why the "film line" is crossed as well. THIS is the way to do it. m night, eat your heart out
I loved this movie. Why did no one else love this movie?
I laughed hysterically when the Hulk started smashing tanks and helicopters. Didn't anyone else think that was deliciously irreverent?
I could NOT get over the transitions and split screens. I ate that stuff up, and it made me very happy.
Much better than Spiderman.
I cannot believe how much I loved this movie. This doesn't happen.
I could have done without the (SPOILER) transformation into a ball of energy thing. That was bad.
I thought the transitions were great, and different, but at times i kept thinking that they were using them too much. Maybe if they toned it down a little bit, i would have enjoyed it more. Besides that, it was a good film, in my opinion better then Spider Man, and def much better then Daredevil
i think people dismiss daredevil way to easily. I think its everyone hatred for bennifer. I personally liked Dardevil, i mean with all its flaws and shit, i liked it.
daredevil was a disaster on par with "Batman and Robin".
Quote from: themodernage02daredevil was a disaster on par with "Batman and Robin".
I don't think that is fair. I really can't understand how people disliked Daredevil so much and at the same time praised Spider-man. I liked them both, probably Daredevil more so. I agree the soundtrack was horrible among other flaws, but still an entertaining film.
Quote from: SHAFTRQuote from: themodernage02daredevil was a disaster on par with "Batman and Robin".
I don't think that is fair. I really can't understand how people disliked Daredevil so much and at the same time praised Spider-man. I liked them both, probably Daredevil more so. I agree the soundtrack was horrible among other flaws, but still an entertaining film.
Agree with Shaftr,
Shut the hell up alright nothing is on the same level as Batman and Robin
Quote from: rudieobQuote from: DerekSPOILERS
is it nessary to have 4 different angles of helicopters flying across the desert?
do you read comic books? this is how a panel would look in a comic book. i loved the helicopters scene.
Do you have to be a smartass? Yeah, I used to read alot of comics, but I didn't need 4 angles of the same action.
What I would have loved is to see Banner hulk out and at the same time seeing everyone else's reaction to it using the split screen.
Quote from: themodernage02daredevil was a disaster on par with "Batman and Robin".
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I vastly preferred "Daredevil" to "Spider-Man".
just saw it tonight and i was pleasantly surprised.
It was okay I guess. I hated the first 25 or so minutes
Just saw it tonight. Nice piece of work. I liked how arthouse it was at times. The split screens were very innovative (it must have been a pain in the ass to edit).
The FX bug me though, at times they were plain awesome, at times they were cartoonish. If 'The Hulk' should've hit a home-run with anything, it should've been the FX. Usually its the film that sucks but the FX are good ('Batman & Robin') and sometimes the FX AND the film suck ('Daredevil').
At least 'The Hulk' was a quality picture. I didn't really feel anything for the characters and the end was incredibly weak but there was enough high points for me to say it was great.
Quote from: oakmanc234I didn't really feel anything for the characters and the end was incredibly weak but there was enough high points for me to say it was great.
I agree with you here, but leaving the theater going, "what the hell was the ending" left me with a sour taste in my mouth. THUMBS DOWN!
I really can't understand why people say this movie is better than spiderman since it has really nothing to do with this movie. Spiderman was pure comic-book joy in the way Darkman was. I just thought Hulk took itself way too seriously to an extent that almost tones down every bit of action. I agree that The Hulk comic book reads almost like an illustration of Freud theories but did they really need to explain it to us so hard ? I mean, at times I was just amazed at the way Ang Lee litteraly ruins every concept of the movie by pointing it so repeatedly (like in the scene where Banner plays as a kid with a dinosaur doll and we are treated of a really long close up of the doll PLUS a nice line like "Look how cute he is playing with is green monster").
And while I was really trying hard to care for the characters and the story, I could'n help myself but thinking : "Why on earth did they have to make all thos ugly looking split-screens ?" Don't get me wrong, as a huge De Palma fan I love the slip-screens. But here they just don't work : There are too many of them, they don't use it in a proper way and most of all, it just looks more like a gimmick to tell the fans : "Don"t worry, THIS IS a comic book movie. Otherwise why would it have all these ugly Panels ?"
Look at the way Shyamalan created the same effect with subtlety in Unbreakable. I'm not trying to convince anyone here, just to express my opinion. (If you disagree, please share...)
And by the way, Daredevil was really not that bad...
Quote from: Vivian DarkbloomDon't get me wrong, as a huge De Palma fan I love the slip-screens. But here they just don't work : There are too many of them, they don't use it in a proper way and most of all, it just looks more like a gimmick to tell the fans : "Don"t worry, THIS IS a comic book movie. Otherwise why would it have all these ugly Panels ?"
Let's all imagine for a second how mind-numbingly dull the non-"Hulk Smash!" scenes in this film would've been had they not been creatively edited and split-screened.....
Zzzzz......Zzzzzzzz........HULK SMASH!......ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.....
OK, you can wake up now.....Nick Nolte's absorbed a whole town's electricity and, boy, is he pissed.
Whispered theory: Ang Lee finished principal photography, knew his coverage was grass-growing dull, and set about tossing in as many scene transition tricks and dizzying 2D editing baloney ("It's like comic panels, dude!") as he could come up with.....He's too good a director not to realize the bulk of his expository scenes were snooooooze material....
they should've really worked on that script before they shot it, because man, if the hulk wasn't beating something up, i felt like tearing my hair out. i don't like how people on this board are going, it's a superhero movie with real emotion and character development. IT'S NOT! JUST BECAUSE IT'S BORING DOESN'T MAKE IT INTERESTING!
O.K. If you think stretching a gimmick to the limits is creative, then you might be right. But a split screen is supposed to have a purpose : for instance, giving you another point of view of the scene or putting two completely different shots/concepts together. I didn't feel like all these split-screens had any other purpose than just giving the audience some moving images to distract their eyes and use as a decoy to make them forget the complete emptiness of all the exposition scenes : the characters seem to be talking about interesting stuff but since they're not, I'm just gonna nulb you with all these ugly moving shots in order to pretend something is actually happening. NOTHING HAPPENS. And the worst part is : the composition is, most of the time, really ugly. The addition of these shots doesn't create any emotion, any meaning and sometimes just looks like Steve Jobs presenting the new I-MAC to his partners...
Vivian should post more.........
I can't give any opinion on the movie. Gladly skipped it and just about every other major movie so far this summer. I am planning to see Pirates of the Carribean though. Months before the movie comes out, I am excited. Then a week before, I am numbed because of overload of bad word on each movie. So many movies, so little money. I did hear though that Hulk did a lot of "Smashing" in the film. Good job.
~rougerum
"The Hulk" will be out on DVD on October 28th.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetGladly skipped it and just about every other major movie so far this summer. I am planning to see Pirates of the Carribean though.
Sigh.
Do me a favor... skip "Pirates" and at least see 28 Days, if not Hulk. They are both great movies.
Then we can have a fun debate.
OOOOooooohhhhhh.......promise of a debate. I'll see Hulk then just for that and very soon. I can't see 28 Days Later, it is nowhere near me. Maybe soon it will come within an hour of me, but I have no clue. I'm still seeing Pirates though.
~rougerum
I went to see The Hulk this afternoon. I mean, it's the only place with airco ;-)
well, to me, even if the film has flaws and downs, it's pure genius at work. Lee takes a story which could be seen as usual comics's style and makes it so special and so wild in many aspects that Lee killed any chances of a sequel here ;-)) only for that we can be grateful to him ! ahahah
lee took his time to get us into the movie, it is ever so sloooow and the main character is slipping down with us. But it's been shot with a love for the grain in the picture, with so much passion in having colors playing with each other, with a real eye for the odd details, and all these split screens (which leave me cold most of the time) were interesting placed... And, without getting into a polemic, some of Nick Nolte phrases against the power of the military can be seen as quite controversial imho...
to me, Lee has succeeded in doing a great, difficult movie and making feel the audience things/experiments that usually are reserved to the "cinema d'auteur".
it's a cross over. the dream of every artist.
best movie of the year.
so much green. heaven.
dude this movie rocks.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI loved this movie. Why did no one else love this movie?
I laughed hysterically when the Hulk started smashing tanks and helicopters. Didn't anyone else think that was deliciously irreverent?
I could NOT get over the transitions and split screens. I ate that stuff up, and it made me very happy.
Much better than Spiderman.
yes yes yes.
to begin.
first off, this isn't a mainstream hollywood action movie, more of an art thing. its no wonder why my little brother hated it.
im watchin the thing right, and in the back of my head i hear ang lee goin "u see, action movies
don't have to be stupid. all the flashback stuff was masterfully done (masterfully is a word right?). and the split screen stuff was killer, adding to the whole comic book feel. i do have a question, w/ split screens, how is that done? i would assume that it is all done post-production in the editing room yes? do they just shoot from a bunch of angles and then edit it all together later?
jennifer hottnley, good god... those eyes, the hair, its too good. she's just plain fucking amazing. im so glad she was a main thing in the movie, not just a hot piece of ass side note like the chick in spiderman (who i dont think is that hot)
eric bana- comes correct in a role that no doubt had to be tough to prep for, i mean ur sittin in ur trailer thinkin 'okay im the hulk, how the fuck do i pull that off?'
nick nolte- he's great w/ his voice, it works so fuckin well. theres one shot in the movie when he throws jennifer's scarf thing over the fence to the dogs, its such a beautiful shot. anyway, nolte is good.
overall the movie really shook me up, in a good way. i went in expecting a spiderman cheese comic movie w/ an ang lee twist, whatever that means, but i got sumthing so much more. its killer, go watch if u havent, if u have and u didnt like it go fuck urself.[/b]
well i guess i'll have to go fuck myself, then. i just didn't see the point. the only good parts were the parts where he is the hulk and the flashback stuff. the exposition and the ending (aka, the remaining two hours of the film) sucked hard balls. for all the time spent on hanging out with the characters, you don't learn a whole lot about them. all they seem to do is work on experiments and bicker with that bitch-dude that wants their company or something (that part didn't even make sense to me, but maybe it's because i just can't remember it). the split screens were show-offy and inappropriate for the most part (there were scenes when somebody would say "hello" and then it would split screen to the other person saying "hello" which got in the way). i could go on and on about that ending and how much i hated it, but i'll leave it at i hated it. to have your protaganist battle an intangible object is so anti-climactic. the audience wants to see the hulk battle his father, not a pond or an electrical charge. the very very end was the worst part. they don't explain what happened to him after the battle, they don't even say how hulk beat his father and if they did i didn't understand it at all. they just show that he's still alive and well and living in south america. baloney. maybe lee would have had something to work with had the script been worked on for more than a day or two, because that's how it seems in the final cut. they had me going for the first 40 minutes or so, but after that, i lost all interest until bana turned green again.
Quote from: bonanzatazwell i guess i'll have to go fuck myself, then.
nah dude, ur cool. that was directed to the ppl who dont matter.
If they do a second chapter, should Ang Lee direct again? If "No," who do you think would do a better job and why?
i should've signed that last post "~rougerum." i get belligerent and nonsensical at 2 in the morning...
i still didn't really like the movie though...
why does he have to wear those purple pants?
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its so you dont see his hulkdork.
Quote from: ©bradi do have a question, w/ split screens, how is that done? i would assume that it is all done post-production in the editing room yes? do they just shoot from a bunch of angles and then edit it all together later?
No. They shoot it all at the same time, with several cameras, on the same piece of film. It's special film that is able to run through all the cameras at the same time. Silmilar to the process they use for the smash hit TV show,
24. See, they actually film the entire hour in one take. You can't just edit an hour's worth of footage together and expect the same effect now can you?
Now I see who the target audience is for this movie. That Hulk doll with the green weiner could direct the next 'chapter' and it wouldn't make any difference.
Quote from: markums2kNow I see who the target audience is for this movie. That Hulk doll with the green weiner could direct the next 'chapter' and it wouldn't make any difference.
this coming from a McTiernan fan.. shit.
i
know the hulk is a great film that will be appreciated more once the comic craze is over, i know this. such a misunderstood creature. :cry:
Quote from: PQuote from: markums2kNow I see who the target audience is for this movie. That Hulk doll with the green weiner could direct the next 'chapter' and it wouldn't make any difference.
this coming from a McTiernan fan.. shit.
Yeah, knowing that, I would think you'd expect my double standards and unfair, biased opinions. At least to some degree. :-D
Rock on, P. If the hunky mass of green turns you on, more power to ya.
The Hulk (DVD): New shots from the DVD menu are now up at DVD Answers and reveal some of the extras we can expect to see on the film's eventual disc release. Along with a commentary track by Director Ang Lee, there's a collection of deleted scenes and eight featurettes. Amongst these behind-the-scenes bits there's looks at Ang Lee, the film's editing style, a closer look at the dog fight sequence, various pieces on the film's pre-production evolution, and the oddly named "Hulk Cam: Inside the Rage". Capping it off are some biographies & DVD-Rom content - no word on whether ths is a one or two disc release either as yet.
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Title: The Hulk
Starring: Eric Bana
Released: 28th October 2003
SRP: $26.98
Further Details
Universal Home Video have now released the official details on the region one release of The Hulk starring Eric Bana. As expected the disc will be available to own from the 28th October this year and will arrive in seperate 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen and fullscreen editions. Both of these will retail at around $26.98 each. We'll bring you the official artwork as soon as it arrives. You can also take a look at menu shots from the disc by refering to the related article below. For now though here are the full specs:
Disc One
-English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Track
-French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Track
-Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Track
-Audio Commentary with Director Ang Lee
-Hulk Cam: Inside the Rage Featurette
-Superhero Revealed: The Anatomy of the Hulk Featurette
-Various Deleted Scenes
-Cast and Filmmaker Bios
Disc Two
-Hulkification Featurette
-Evolution of The Hulk Featurette
-The Incredible Ang Lee Featurette
-The Making of Hulk Featurette
-The Dog Fight Scene
-Ang Lee Editing Style
-DVD-ROM Features
ughhhhh.....I hate that poster.
That dvd cover is like a crappier version of the theatrical poster. Looks like the cover for an animated series or some shit. But I'm still looking forward to it....
Closeups were waaaaay overused. Almost every shot in a conversation scene was a closeup or an extreme closeup. I'm sure this is how comic books are illustrated, but I didn't like the use of them in this film.
Aside from that, I enjoyed The Hulk. Sam Elliott should be in every movie.
"It looks like both Region 2 and 4 will be getting a limited edition Hulk DVD box set (http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/224668), but not us folks in Region 1"
petition linky (http://www.hulkmovie.com/news/09_16_03.htm)
Lee saddles up for Focus' 'Brokeback'
To follow up on his Universal Pictures summer special effects extravaganza "The Hulk," Ang Lee is circling a big-screen adaptation of the epic love story "Brokeback Mountain" for Focus Features.
The project is based on a short story by E. Annie Proulx and is being adapted by Proulx and "Lonesome Dove" author Larry McMurtry.
The project is an epic love story set against the sweeping vistas of Wyoming and Texas and centering on two young men -- a ranch hand and a rodeo cowboy -- who meet in the summer of 1961. Unexpectedly, the two forge a lifelong connection, with complications, joys and tragedies that provide a testament to the endurance and power of love.
"Brokeback" was at one time being eyed by Gus Van Sant for Columbia Pictures to distribute but ended up under development at Good Machine when Sony's option expired. Former Good Machine partners David Linde and James Schamus now co-head Focus.
"Brokeback" would keep Lee in the Universal fold as Focus is Universal's specialty arm. It also would mark the first project for the helmer that hasn't been penned by Schamus since 1995's "Sense and Sensibility."
Because Lee had no project in place once he completed "Hulk," speculation swirled as to which project the eclectic director would take on next. The helmer's palette has always been vast, ranging from the suburban family drama "The Ice Storm" to the Civil War-set "Ride With the Devil" to the martial arts epic "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."
A big-screen adaptation of Proulx's novel "The Shipping News" was released in 2001 by Miramax Films and directed by Lasse Hallstrom from a screenplay by Robert Nelson Jacobs.
Quote from: MacGuffinThe project is an epic love story set against the sweeping vistas of Wyoming and Texas and centering on two young men -- a ranch hand and a rodeo cowboy -- ...a testament to the endurance and power of love.
aka. steers and queers.
There's band out there called Beers, Steers and Queers.
Anyway, I really hated this movie and I found it to be almost unwatchable.
Hulk 2 Developments
"A little more fun, a little more action," says Marvel.
January 23, 2004 - Marvel Studios exec Kevin Feige recently chatted with The Comics Continuum about the possibility of Hulk 2. Although the original film has been widely deemed a commercial disappointment, there has been talk of a Hulk sequel since last June.
"I think The Hulk is extremely important to Marvel, obviously, one of the biggest and most well-known characters and I think he'll have a future on the screen," said Feige. "And I think most likely that future will be a sequel at Universal."
Feige advised the Continuum that Marvel Studios will have "a meeting in the next week or two with a very talented writer who's come up with a version that is interesting. We're anxious about it, and think there are amazing stories to come with Bruce Banner."
The filmmakers reportedly "want to continue to take it very seriously and continue to follow (Banner's) inner psyche, but at the same time allow us in the audience to have a little more fun, a little more action, a little more of the 'Hulk smash.'"
For more on Hulk 2, check out The Continuum.
I just saw Hulk, and can't say anything else but GREAT. For a long time i haven't seen that type of film made so well.
Quote from: jihemI went to see The Hulk this afternoon. I mean, it's the only place with airco ;-)
well, to me, even if the film has flaws and downs, it's pure genius at work. Lee takes a story which could be seen as usual comics's style and makes it so special and so wild in many aspects that Lee killed any chances of a sequel here ;-)) only for that we can be grateful to him ! ahahah
lee took his time to get us into the movie, it is ever so sloooow and the main character is slipping down with us. But it's been shot with a love for the grain in the picture, with so much passion in having colors playing with each other, with a real eye for the odd details, and all these split screens (which leave me cold most of the time) were interesting placed... And, without getting into a polemic, some of Nick Nolte phrases against the power of the military can be seen as quite controversial imho...
to me, Lee has succeeded in doing a great, difficult movie and making feel the audience things/experiments that usually are reserved to the "cinema d'auteur".
it's a cross over. the dream of every artist.
woah how did i miss this ekzellent review.
let us sit and contemplate this dude's contribution to HULK-appreciation.
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R.I.P. jihemJune 20, 2003 - July 10, 2003
"He really liked HULK"
Why No One Want Make Hulk 2?
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By The Hulk
X2 come out last year. Spider-Man 2 come out last month. Both great sequels to great movies about Hulk friends. Hulk love great action movies about friends! People buy tickets. Make money for theaters, make money for movie company. Movie company make more movies with money. Already, they working on X-Men 3. Hulk movie come out last year. It success. It big popcorn movie with heart. So why no one want make Hulk 2? It make Hulk mad!
Hulk know what people say. Original movie no good, people say. Hulk movie Hulk-sized bomb, people say. That not true! Hulk more successful than people think. Make $132 million in U.S. alone, only cost $120 million. That not small potatoes. Add international box-office receipts and DVD sales and it add up to big money. Big! Oh, and did Hulk forget merchandising tie-ins? First Hulk movie really forge Hulk brand identity. Make people aware of Hulk. Hulk now poised to build on success of first Hulk movie. Hulk 2 smash box-office records!
First Hulk movie flawed but underrated. Oscar-winner Jennifer Connelly give sublime performance as Hulk romantic interest Betty Ross. She pretty. Australian hunk Eric Bana good in breakthrough American role as puny human Bruce Banner. Film even give tip of hat to TV Hulk and Stan "The Man" Lee. Sure, conflict with father stray from original story, but it provide new twist on classic legend. Necessary to increase dramatic tension. Make Hulk seem more human so audience can identify with puny human Banner.
Why no one appreciate daring vision of Ang Lee? Aaargh! Ang Lee genius! Maybe panels on screen gimmicky, but him try something new. When last time you try something new?! Ang Lee willing to work in unfamiliar genres. Him brave like Hulk. Hulk wish for him to work on Hulk 2, if he willing, but Hulk understand if he not want to. Ang Lee like Hulk: He not stay in one place for too long. Him working on gay western right now. That prove Hulk's point. If him not do it, maybe Darren Aronofsky or David Gordon Green. Someone with unique vision that not so stuck on action clichés. First studio exec to suggest Joel Schumacher get smashed!
Hulk 2 give chance to increase merchandising profile, as well. Hulk have ideas for new Hulk products. Hulk Foam Hands surprise hit in toy stores. Hulk Foam Hands big and soft and make Hulk smashing noises when you hit things. If Hulk Hands big hit, Hulk Feet even bigger hit! Make smashing and stomping noises. Imagine puny human child walking around with Hulk Feet! Make big noise like Hulk. Imagine... ho, ho, ho... excuse Hulk, Hulk laughing. That funny! But Hulk not just limit branding to toys. Make Hulk Shampoo and Hulk Shampoo For Kids, in special no-tears formula. It sound like bad idea, but it good idea! You squirt it right in eye, and it not make you mad! Hulk very concerned with hygiene and comfort. Know how hard it is to make puny human child take bath. Hulk Shampoo make bath-time fun!
Many unanswered questions from last Hulk movie. What happen to puny human Banner in rainforest? Is there cure for Hulk? Will General Thaddeus E. "Thunderbolt" Ross leave Hulk alone? Is there future with Betty Ross? Where villains that make comic so great, like Abomination, Wendigo, and Leader? Hulk hate Leader and Leader's big head. What happen to Grey Hulk? And where Hulk's friend Rick Jones? He only one that understand Hulk. Rick? Rick!? Raaaaahhhh! Sometimes Hulk so sad and alone.
Back to Hulk movie. Hulk visualize Hulk trilogy like Matrix, but no spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Crazy mumbo-jumbo make Hulk's head hurt! Hulk work out treatment for next movie Hulkself. It have everything in Hulk, only more intense. In this movie, Hulk smash for first 20 minutes. Give fanboys something to hang fanboy hats on. Then have romance, for women ages 24 to 40. Very important demographic if want make movie real summer blockbuster.
Then Leader come, bring Abomination. Him try to wreck everything by capturing Hulk. Then Hulk smash more! Hulk smash Leader and Abomination! Hulk smash tanks, too! That nod to first film. Hulk love scene where Hulk throw tank into horizon. At end of movie, cliffhanger. Put people on edge of seats. Like Hulk say, always leave puny humans wanting more.
Hulk working on pitch right now. Hope to take lunch with Hulk movie screenwriter James Schamus. Him really get what Hulk all about. Also, him open doors in Hollywood. Hope him will share story-by credit with Hulk. Hulk paint in broad strokes. Not good with words. Leave detail work to Schamus.
If you producer, Hulk want know why you sitting around? Does producer hate make money? Hulk need someone line up investors now. Need maybe $100 million. Less than original. Kinks worked out by now. Software engines all designed. Want start filming in New Zealand by December. It summer there when winter here. It much cheaper to film in New Zealand. Hulk budget-conscious. If all go according to plan, Hulk 2 hit theaters by summer 2006. Perfect summer movie!
If that not enough, Hulk write great tag lines. "No make Hulk 2 angry!" Maybe "This time it personal." Or "Green machine back in theaters summer 2006." Maybe teaser poster with Hulk fist punching out of poster. Puny humans see that and they duck! It real attention-grabber. If you still not convinced, Hulk not waste more time with you. Maybe New Line interested. They flush with Lord Of Rings money. Looking for new franchise? Call Hulk when you ready to talk serious.
(Courtesy: The Onion)
Clock Ticking on Bana's Return As The Hulk
Eric Bana remains keen to reprise his role as The Hulk - so long as sequel plans tie into his schedule. The Australian actor played the angry green giant's alter-ego, David Banner, in Ang Lee's 2003 action film and recently suggested he wouldn't be back for a planned sequel. But he tells Moviehole.net he's still contracted to play Banner in The Hulk 2 - as long as producers can get the project rolling quickly. He says he has always been committed to the role and will return as the troubled Dr. Banner as long as writers and directors can come up with a script and a cast "in a particular timeframe." Bana tells the website that if they can't meet a certain timeframe, he can contractually reject the offer. The news ends speculation that David Duchovny has been signed to play Banner in a straight-to-DVD sequel.
If I couldn't get through the first Hulk film (after seeing it for the first time only a few weeks ago), I doubt I'll bother giving a second one a chance. It was horrid, just...horrid. Maybe not just because it wasn't the relentless action flick everyone expected, but because I never particularly liked the Hulk anyway. It's the 'in' thing to show more of super heroes' baggage these days...but it seems like there's no advantage whatsoever to being the Hulk. He just has a severe case of bi-polar disorder. Who cares? I'll take Batman, Superman, and Spiderman movies any day over Hulk.
That said, would anyone mind telling me how it ended anyway? I got to the part where Nick Nolte kills some gaurd. I then stopped watching.
Quote from: Derek237 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
That said, would anyone mind telling me how it ended?
Pretentiously.
Quote from: polkablues on April 30, 2006, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Derek237 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
That said, would anyone mind telling me how it ended?
Pretentiously.
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Oh No You Didn't!Quote from: MacGuffin on April 30, 2006, 09:58:28 AM
The second Hulk film will attempt to remedy what Marvel insiders see as the major reason for failure in the first: People wanted a popcorn action flick with lots of "Hulk Smash!" and were given a study in anger instead.
i'll give them (and all you haters) a study in anger..
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Quote from: Derek237 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
That said, would anyone mind telling me how it ended?
jennifer connelly goes to hulks parents house, holds and smells hulks old shirt and walks off into the sunset.
Quote from: modage on May 02, 2006, 12:56:40 PM
Quote from: Derek237 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
That said, would anyone mind telling me how it ended?
jennifer connelly goes to hulks parents house, holds and smells hulks old shirt and walks off into the sunset.
and the hulk goes bananas with some locals in a south american village, somewhere deep in the woods. sort of.
Thank you and goodnight.
hourlong audio interview with Ang Lee & James Schamus from the Museum Of The Moving Image around the release of Hulk...
Ang Lee + James Schamus - June 7, 2003
Ang Lee emigrated from Taiwan to America to make films. He has worked in a wide range of genres, moving fluidly between arthouse and mainstream filmmaking. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was the most successful foreign-language film ever released in the United States, and Brokeback Mountain earned Lee an Academy Award for Best Director. One of the keys to Lee's accomplishments is his creative partnership with James Schamus, president of Focus Features, who has co-written and/or co-produced all of Lee's films. Lee and Schamus spoke at the Museum before the release of their live-action comic-book blockbuster The Hulk.
http://www.movingimage.us/pinewood/mp3.php?media_id=240
I was at this with mod.
i didnt go to this one. only the Gilliam (and the B&N Lynch). but thats awesome! what were you doing in NY?
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i still don't get it.
he's saying you dont get head.
^^^ rofl to that joke
From an av club article. (http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/for_your_reconsideration)
For your consideration.
Hulk
Why? Detractors weren't wrong when they assessed Ang Lee's foray into the realm of big-budget superhero movies as ponderous, slow, atmospheric at the expense of action, and more in love with its cineastic allusions to Alfred Hitchcock (via shots of golden San Francisco and a quasi-Bernard Herrmann score) than with its source material in old comic books. The objectors were wrong, however, when they wrote off such attributes as liabilities. Hulk's moody pacing has helped to sustain and bear out the film's mysteries over time, and even its most indulgent scenes—many marked by the conspicuous absence of a certain green character with big muscles and bad shorts—answer to a special kind of ambition.
Why now? Numerous other superhero films have hewed toward the dark and psychological in recent years, but none has made as grand a game of retooling traditional action-movie arcs and narrative ticks. Have we reached a point yet when what we really want is for Hollywood to be more explosive and less experimental?
How it might come back: Repeat viewings offer rewarding formalist games and psychedelic visuals—none of which are drawbacks late at night.
I'm only posting this because im in the 'I didnt care for it' bandwagon and I've always been curious what did I miss that others didn't, since the ppl who liked this I usually agree, the thing that bothered me most was the fight with the oversized dogs (not sure if they were dogs); a second viewing is on the way.